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I’m always amazed that some people believe “right minded” people wouldn’t spend money in the game.

Maybe is not about that, maybe you just don’t make enough bro.

From where I see it, you shouldn’t be playing if you can’t afford to play the way you want, should spend that hours in something smarter.

 😂 so much this.

the problem is not that people is bashing you, is that you are soft and let them affect your day to day.

 

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But rogue is fine you say? Let’s look at some facts.

-Rogue is by far the most played class on both ladder as well as HTC.

-Rogue is represented the most (15) at HTC.

-it has one of the highest winrates.

-Winrate >55% against 8/9 classes available.

-People are forced to play sleep warrior against it and even then a few tech cards makes it very favourable eg nomi, scheme

-it has the best tempo tools and combo is made easier and idiot proof with the introduction of 1 mana lackeys and discover a spell lackeys, doing combo’s without being good has never been easier in the whole history of hearthstone

-it has the best unconditional single target removal tool in the form of SAP

- A million bounce effect that reduces the minions cost by 2 as well making insane stuff possible

-Some classes maybe have 1viable deck, rogue has endless variations with a core of 25 cards that are amazing

 

Also I will just leave this here

https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/169/tempo-rogue#tab=matchups

Rogue is the biggest problem class there is with unfair advantage in tempo generation, card draw and value generation , yet the majority of the playerbase is willingly turning a blind eye towards it. This is not a new phenonemon as it existed during the era of deathstalker rexar as well, professional, hunter players thought rexar should be buffed to 5 mana instead of staying at 6 because the  hero power and immediate effect was not good enough.

The only reason why tempo/aggro rogue is not a tier 1 deck with over 58% winrate is because of control warrior existing and yet the majority of the  people are targeting the wrong class... is there a conspiracy going on here? 

I have to emphasize the point above, because it seems most rogue lovers here don’t get the big picture and just jump in to cry about people crying for nerfs. Classes like token druid , khadgar mage, mech hunter , big shaman , control warrior all have several unfavorable matchups from DIFFERENT decks from DIFFERENT classes. Rogue on the other hand has a favorable matchup over >55% against every single class and deck type EXCEPT the three variants of CONTROL warrior. We are forced to queue into all these sleep elysiana warriors all because of rogue being OP. Get it? If you still don’t think that’s a problem, you are obviously biased to the point you don’t need to waste time here.

Rogue is fun, you say? As you all know fun is subjective, just because you think rogue is fun doesn’t mean that everyone think it’s fun and make it any less deserving on a nerf based on data. Just like a diehard group of people who think priests are fun, or sleep warrior are fun doesn’t make it any less a candidate. But all the data right now points towards rogue being oppressive and needing a merf.

Anyway let’s talk about the busted rogue class which is represented the most in the upcoming hct as a nobrainer inclusion because it’s busted according to all the pro players.

Let’s see a list of possible rogue nerfs to test the waters include:

Preparation> change it to 1 mana.

Backstab > zap has 1 mana overload so change it to 1 mana or deal 1 damage

Raiding party > change it to 4 mana.

Sap> it’s a better execute, polymorph, shield slam without conditions, change to 4 mana.

Extra passive to hero power> Rogue always goes first, so they never get the coin.

SI agent > change it to 4 mana

Myra’s unstable element> let’s make it 7 mana, why not?

Evil miscreant > change it to 4 mana.

EdWin van cleef> make it 4 mana.

4 mana taunt pirate> change it to 5 mana

What else am I missing? 

 

 

 So... If you think different you’re wrong.

Right?

Your entitled to your opinion and so is the rest of the world.

You can not like it, but to say something as definitive? Only makes you sound kind of tilted.

It’s fun for one of us.

maybe the problem is that you’d rather have a game that is fun just for you

Discuss dis deck.

- My opinion is different than yours.

Let me yell ya why ur wrong.

- Maybe your just salty.

No, this post is meant for healthy discussion. Discuss dis deck.

The real problem is that you care that much about the opinion of a random dude in the internet.

It's just your negative perspective on things dude, I love building decks, having them work, tweaking them.

What do you spect from an online game that has a big audience playing it? To remain undiscovered?

The thing is, you are blaming Blizzard when they just make the game, and the game by itself is not the problem, it is the way data is used to bring power to the players who want to netdeck, and that's fucking cool, not everyone enjoys building decks and being smashed because they didn't tech in correctly or checked out what people is playing to adjust, so data is needed.

And just so you know, this happens everywhere, not just online, you should be thankful this happens as it means a better future for most people when you traslate data interpretation into real world use, what I find sad is that you should be exciting because we can track data THAT FAST and enjoy the ride in the game to try to climb without the data and on your terms, instead of complaining about it.

You can of course just complain to vent off and leave it at that, but that's not gonna help while the other might.

Oh and Priest isn't really the issue, it is the lack of imagination, I have no problem with Priest in wild, sure I do lose games, but once you understand it's a fair match if you like control, I don't really do aggro but people seem to agree that works as well.

Wish you the best bro, hope you find something fun to do instead of trying to find fun in a game you no longer enjoy.

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You should change the title into "Make current Priest's decks unplayable". There you go.

 

 Play now vs 6 priest in a row, wall priest, clonning priest or Malygos combo, when you play so many games vs the same class is a clear sign something is wrong.

The resurrect effects is way powerful and undercosted, I lose the game even when I played x4 Polymorph (x2 from glyphs).

No mechanic or strategy in this game should exists without any counter, it is a game you can't act in opponent turn.

 No counter?

Tinkmaster Overspark, Hungry Dragon, Hex, Polymorph, Cornered Sentry, Leeroy Jenkins, The Beast, Poison Seeds, Treachery, Rattling Rascal, Gravelsnout Knight, Hungry Ettin, Marin the Fox, Muck Hunter, Marsh Drake, Saronite Taskmaster, Conjurer's Calling, Flight Master, Eccentric Scribe, Devolve, Polymorph: Boar, Kazakus 5 or 10 mana potion and Potion of Polymorph.

Some of these are clearly bad, but "no counter" is false

 If x4 Polymorph in the same game don't work what is?

 No offense, but if you don't know how to strategically play them then it's just your fault.

However, I think (my personal conviction, no proofs) that we will receive a nice balance patch after RoS hits.

 There is no strategically play when you don't have acess to efficient tech and can't act in opponent turn.

Right now you have only 2 strategy avaiable, play priest with broken resurrect cards where any tech availble will be insuficient to interrupt your game plan or play hyper aggro decks because kill the priest before they can cheat is the only chance of victory.

Put cemitery mechanic in the game in full size or skip completely, this mid of the road is BS.

 I play Dead Man’s Warrior and love facing Priest, Mill Rogue was a blast until I hit 500 Wins, also Mage do very well.

Maybe you are just a bit narrow minded with this issue bro, Priest is strong, sure, but there’s is plenty of insanity on wild to keep them in check even for me that haven’t increased my collection of cards for over 8 months 🧐

I get you have been pissed about it.

I mean, look at all the mamuts decks!

😂

I’m just going to go for a Dr Boom themed wild deck, it’s gonna be the bomb! 

Actually you frustrate yourself because you can't take opinions without feeling frustrated.

People are free to think what they want, what's your problem? You believe people have to share your opinion?

And yeah people is wrong sometimes, everyone is, and being right is also common, just grow up dude, don't vent off in a forum just because you can't handle the real issue.

It’s funny, Rants and cries also tend to make sense only to those who can’t stand loosing in a game 🧐

This post i just love 👏🏼👏🏼

What’s the point on choosing a side if you can’t bash on people?

I love Control, and I have big satisfaction on those %40~ wins against heavy agro!

In all honestly the conflict is more of a selfsteem issue from the players who look for validation on the wins in the game, it’s sad but you can’t solve it, it’s not a game of choosing but rather of being unable to.