I think the real issue is that they buffed Shaman's Hero Power from: "Summon a random basic totem," to "Start of Game: Draw Wailing Vapor and change your hero power to: 'summon a random basic totem'."
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
You guys are never happy, huh? You asked for Shaman to be lifted from literally the worst class in the entire format. You got it. You asked for spell mage to be nerf. You got it. Now that shaman is good, but not the best even, you cry? shm
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
"You people"? Really?
I don't know if you know this about the internet, but it is composed of many, many different individuals, each of whom has a different set of opinions and values. It is therefore somewhat likely that the people who were complaining about weak Shaman before are entirely different people than the ones complaining about strong Shaman now.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
"You people"? Really?
I don't know if you know this about the internet, but it is composed of many, many different individuals, each of whom has a different set of opinions and values. It is therefore somewhat likely that the people who were complaining about weak Shaman before are entirely different people than the ones complaining about strong Shaman now.
Let me quote the OP of this thread, he posted this in May:
"Shaman right now gets to use handicap parking.
It's one of my favorite classes, if not my favorite. But it sucks so bad, there isn't even a viable deck that I could craft."
Now he hates shaman after they receive card draw. Some people only like to complain regardless of which class is at the top.
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
"You people"? Really?
I don't know if you know this about the internet, but it is composed of many, many different individuals, each of whom has a different set of opinions and values. It is therefore somewhat likely that the people who were complaining about weak Shaman before are entirely different people than the ones complaining about strong Shaman now.
Let me quote the OP of this thread, he posted this in May:
"Shaman right now gets to use handicap parking.
It's one of my favorite classes, if not my favorite. But it sucks so bad, there isn't even a viable deck that I could craft."
Now he hates shaman after they receive card draw. Some people only like to complain regardless of which class is at the top.
That's an understatement. People LOVE to complain. It's the main function of this forum. Oh shit, I'm doing it right now. Complaining about too many complainers.
You see!?
I think it's totally fine for one class to be very strong in any given meta, but what really grinds my gears is that so many people jump on the strongest class bandwagon and it oversaturates games with that class/deck. I don't play elemental shaman because I just don't really like that style of gameplay. I'd rather lose a few extra games with a less efficient deck than win with one I don't enjoy.
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
"You people"? Really?
I don't know if you know this about the internet, but it is composed of many, many different individuals, each of whom has a different set of opinions and values. It is therefore somewhat likely that the people who were complaining about weak Shaman before are entirely different people than the ones complaining about strong Shaman now.
Let me quote the OP of this thread, he posted this in May:
"Shaman right now gets to use handicap parking.
It's one of my favorite classes, if not my favorite. But it sucks so bad, there isn't even a viable deck that I could craft."
Now he hates shaman after they receive card draw. Some people only like to complain regardless of which class is at the top.
By all means, call out hypocritical individuals, but there's no reason to paint everyone on the forum with the same broad brush.
I think it's totally fine for one class to be very strong in any given meta, but what really grinds my gears is that so many people jump on the strongest class bandwagon and it oversaturates games with that class/deck. I don't play elemental shaman because I just don't really like that style of gameplay. I'd rather lose a few extra games with a less efficient deck than win with one I don't enjoy.
Is that an unpopular opinion?
A strong deck becoming popular is totally normal. There's no sense in letting a fact of life grind your gears.
That's why I take the approach of finding decks that counter the popular one(s). There are two benefits to this: 1) I'm not contributing to the problem by playing the popular archetype, and 2) I get to punish those who do.
Of course, when using this method you'll sometimes be forced to play a type of deck that's not your absolute favorite, but I think it's worth it. It helps that there's no style I absolutely hate to play. Right after the Barrens launch, taking down one Lunacy Mage after another with an aggressive Paladin deck was extremely satisfying, even though Paladin is not my normal go-to class. I actually think Oh My Yogg! is a terrible card design, but I was happy to beat up the throngs of Lunacy with it.
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
"You people"? Really?
I don't know if you know this about the internet, but it is composed of many, many different individuals, each of whom has a different set of opinions and values. It is therefore somewhat likely that the people who were complaining about weak Shaman before are entirely different people than the ones complaining about strong Shaman now.
Let me quote the OP of this thread, he posted this in May:
"Shaman right now gets to use handicap parking.
It's one of my favorite classes, if not my favorite. But it sucks so bad, there isn't even a viable deck that I could craft."
Now he hates shaman after they receive card draw. Some people only like to complain regardless of which class is at the top.
By all means, call out hypocritical individuals, but there's no reason to paint everyone on the forum with the same broad brush.
I think it's totally fine for one class to be very strong in any given meta, but what really grinds my gears is that so many people jump on the strongest class bandwagon and it oversaturates games with that class/deck. I don't play elemental shaman because I just don't really like that style of gameplay. I'd rather lose a few extra games with a less efficient deck than win with one I don't enjoy.
Is that an unpopular opinion?
A strong deck becoming popular is totally normal. There's no sense in letting a fact of life grind your gears.
That's why I take the approach of finding decks that counter the popular one(s). There are two benefits to this: 1) I'm not contributing to the problem by playing the popular archetype, and 2) I get to punish those who do.
Of course, when using this method you'll sometimes be forced to play a type of deck that's not your absolute favorite, but I think it's worth it. It helps that there's no style I absolutely hate to play. Right after the Barrens launch, taking down one Lunacy Mage after another with an aggressive Paladin deck was extremely satisfying, even though Paladin is not my normal go-to class. I actually think Oh My Yogg! is a terrible card design, but I was happy to beat up the throngs of Lunacy with it.
That's a fair approach. Actually, I guess I may have been exaggerating my displeasure of things. But every time I queue into a hunter or shaman these days I still internally go "well, here we go again" because I'm pretty sure I know what's coming.
I started playing wild more lately, and it's been kind of fun queueing up a game and legitimately not knowing what kind of deck my opponent is playing. At least at the rank I'm currently at, there is quite a variety and it's fun to see different stuff.
What are you playing to counter the face decks in standard right now? I would guess control warrior is probably a safe bet. But even still, there is just so much damage output with the likes of doomhammer + buffs I think it's a tough one to crack.
What are you playing to counter the face decks in standard right now? I would guess control warrior is probably a safe bet. But even still, there is just so much damage output with the likes of doomhammer + buffs I think it's a tough one to crack.
I actually think the Whack version of Shaman is fun, so that's what I usually play in Ranked. Sorry!
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Shaman's face damage output is too high now and could use some pulling back. Pretty easy to do 10-20 face damage in one turn from hero alone by turn 7 or so. Mix that with decent body minions that help keep the board clear, draw your spells/weapons, or can even contribute more direct face damage, and relatively inexpensive direct damage spells.
The massive flood of shamans points to something being off. Last 15 or so fights I did on ladder only 3 were not shaman.
Making more of the damage spells minion only, and/or reducing the burst output of doomhammer might work.
"I started playing wild more lately, and it's been kind of fun queueing up a game and legitimately not knowing what kind of deck my opponent is playing. At least at the rank I'm currently at, there is quite a variety and it's fun to see different stuff"
Yeah I've been doing this, even after playing it for a bit now and becoming aware of certain decks you see more often, there's still a good variety. I've actually been surprised with the general power level, I was put off for a good while because people on here have to exaggerate everything to try and make their point and I thought it was a full on cluster fuck. It's not, surprise surprise.
"I started playing wild more lately, and it's been kind of fun queueing up a game and legitimately not knowing what kind of deck my opponent is playing. At least at the rank I'm currently at, there is quite a variety and it's fun to see different stuff"
Yeah I've been doing this, even after playing it for a bit now and becoming aware of certain decks you see more often, there's still a good variety. I've actually been surprised with the general power level, I was put off for a good while because people on here have to exaggerate everything to try and make their point and I thought it was a full on cluster fuck. It's not, surprise surprise.
Uh-oh. You're on to us. See the Wild community has been deliberately posting stuff on the forum, telling everyone how messed up Wild is so that all the Standard folks stay away. Now you've ruined everything.
In a few minutes, a couple of very large gentlemen will be knocking on your door. Please let them in. They mean you no harm. Really.
Elemental Shaman is the only deck keeping me playing standard. Sure, it’s pretty strong and frustrating to be on the other side of this deck sometimes. Nowhere near as frustrating (boring) as losing to quest Warlock or quest Mage. It can beat both those, and many other strong decks, but only with good draw and no misplays. It also loses to several decks, from any class, but often feels like it has a chance. Slapping Warlock in the face to win with weapon is almost the only enjoyable experience of this exp.
side note, I really miss deck building and testing decks in standard and feeling like any deck can compete.
Please, this deck has 1000 counters. Weapon removal is number one. It slows them down big time. Yes they can get a new weapon but sorry for you if this game has some RNG. Tech cards are not supposed to kill a deck totally.
Conversely some decks have 0 tech counters. For example warlock. Why don’t you complain about those instead?
If this is the worst incarnation of shaman you’ve ever faced then you clearly weren’t around during tunnel trogg or powermace/whirling zippomatic…
Oh my sweet summer child, green as the warm grass you were just delivered on.
Yeah there are so many bad shaman metas. Those 2 you mentioned were probably the worst but I can also think of Galakrond Shaman and Evolve Shaman (the last one with weapon and dread corsair) being much much more disgusting than current eleshaman.
I think the real issue is that they buffed Shaman's Hero Power from: "Summon a random basic totem," to "Start of Game: Draw Wailing Vapor and change your hero power to: 'summon a random basic totem'."
You people are incredible. This board before the miniset "why does shaman always suck does blizzard hate shaman, why can't shaman be good for once" and after the miniset "why is shaman always op does blizzard hate all other classes why can't shaman be bad for once".
You guys are never happy, huh? You asked for Shaman to be lifted from literally the worst class in the entire format. You got it. You asked for spell mage to be nerf. You got it. Now that shaman is good, but not the best even, you cry? shm
Nah, the aggro Shaman with 4 mana 7/7s was by far more annoying than this.
"You people"? Really?
I don't know if you know this about the internet, but it is composed of many, many different individuals, each of whom has a different set of opinions and values. It is therefore somewhat likely that the people who were complaining about weak Shaman before are entirely different people than the ones complaining about strong Shaman now.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Let me quote the OP of this thread, he posted this in May:
"Shaman right now gets to use handicap parking.
It's one of my favorite classes, if not my favorite. But it sucks so bad, there isn't even a viable deck that I could craft."
Now he hates shaman after they receive card draw. Some people only like to complain regardless of which class is at the top.
That's an understatement. People LOVE to complain. It's the main function of this forum. Oh shit, I'm doing it right now. Complaining about too many complainers.
You see!?
I think it's totally fine for one class to be very strong in any given meta, but what really grinds my gears is that so many people jump on the strongest class bandwagon and it oversaturates games with that class/deck. I don't play elemental shaman because I just don't really like that style of gameplay. I'd rather lose a few extra games with a less efficient deck than win with one I don't enjoy.
Is that an unpopular opinion?
By all means, call out hypocritical individuals, but there's no reason to paint everyone on the forum with the same broad brush.
A strong deck becoming popular is totally normal. There's no sense in letting a fact of life grind your gears.
That's why I take the approach of finding decks that counter the popular one(s). There are two benefits to this: 1) I'm not contributing to the problem by playing the popular archetype, and 2) I get to punish those who do.
Of course, when using this method you'll sometimes be forced to play a type of deck that's not your absolute favorite, but I think it's worth it. It helps that there's no style I absolutely hate to play. Right after the Barrens launch, taking down one Lunacy Mage after another with an aggressive Paladin deck was extremely satisfying, even though Paladin is not my normal go-to class. I actually think Oh My Yogg! is a terrible card design, but I was happy to beat up the throngs of Lunacy with it.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
That's a fair approach. Actually, I guess I may have been exaggerating my displeasure of things. But every time I queue into a hunter or shaman these days I still internally go "well, here we go again" because I'm pretty sure I know what's coming.
I started playing wild more lately, and it's been kind of fun queueing up a game and legitimately not knowing what kind of deck my opponent is playing. At least at the rank I'm currently at, there is quite a variety and it's fun to see different stuff.
What are you playing to counter the face decks in standard right now? I would guess control warrior is probably a safe bet. But even still, there is just so much damage output with the likes of doomhammer + buffs I think it's a tough one to crack.
I actually think the Whack version of Shaman is fun, so that's what I usually play in Ranked. Sorry!
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Shaman's face damage output is too high now and could use some pulling back. Pretty easy to do 10-20 face damage in one turn from hero alone by turn 7 or so. Mix that with decent body minions that help keep the board clear, draw your spells/weapons, or can even contribute more direct face damage, and relatively inexpensive direct damage spells.
The massive flood of shamans points to something being off. Last 15 or so fights I did on ladder only 3 were not shaman.
Making more of the damage spells minion only, and/or reducing the burst output of doomhammer might work.
Shhh, we whine about Priests here and not about OP classes.
"I started playing wild more lately, and it's been kind of fun queueing up a game and legitimately not knowing what kind of deck my opponent is playing. At least at the rank I'm currently at, there is quite a variety and it's fun to see different stuff"
Yeah I've been doing this, even after playing it for a bit now and becoming aware of certain decks you see more often, there's still a good variety. I've actually been surprised with the general power level, I was put off for a good while because people on here have to exaggerate everything to try and make their point and I thought it was a full on cluster fuck. It's not, surprise surprise.
Uh-oh. You're on to us. See the Wild community has been deliberately posting stuff on the forum, telling everyone how messed up Wild is so that all the Standard folks stay away. Now you've ruined everything.
In a few minutes, a couple of very large gentlemen will be knocking on your door. Please let them in. They mean you no harm. Really.
Elemental Shaman is the only deck keeping me playing standard.
Sure, it’s pretty strong and frustrating to be on the other side of this deck sometimes. Nowhere near as frustrating (boring) as losing to quest Warlock or quest Mage.
It can beat both those, and many other strong decks, but only with good draw and no misplays.
It also loses to several decks, from any class, but often feels like it has a chance.
Slapping Warlock in the face to win with weapon is almost the only enjoyable experience of this exp.
side note, I really miss deck building and testing decks in standard and feeling like any deck can compete.
No the memories are coming back... no!
And i don’t even play Paladins
Please, this deck has 1000 counters. Weapon removal is number one. It slows them down big time. Yes they can get a new weapon but sorry for you if this game has some RNG. Tech cards are not supposed to kill a deck totally.
Conversely some decks have 0 tech counters. For example warlock. Why don’t you complain about those instead?
Yeah there are so many bad shaman metas. Those 2 you mentioned were probably the worst but I can also think of Galakrond Shaman and Evolve Shaman (the last one with weapon and dread corsair) being much much more disgusting than current eleshaman.
Guys, this post was from July (you know previous expansion, when Elemental Shaman was actually tier 1)....
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