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    posted a message on Random Value Generation will STILL be a problem in Standard
    Quote from Avaidaocu >>
    Quote from ShadowAldrius >>

    They ARE toning down rng a lot. While i agree they could give certain discover and random gen effects specific cost parameters. (Renew should probably specify 1-4 cost priest spells, but sethekk veilweaver should add 5+ cost spells) this whole idea that you cant generate a card into a card is silly. Or cant generate expensive cards. Thats just bellyaching about a game you were probably losing anyway.

     

    That kind of BS discover into discover plays have stolen games I would otherwise have won more times than I can count. Doesnt feel like your opponent outplayed you, feels like you just got scammed, hard. Its fine when it happens once in a while, but it happens way too often for comfort imo.

    Never said you cant generate expensive cards, only that you should pay more for the chance to discover them, getting high cost stuff from 1-mana discover effects is broken, plain and simple.

     But how did you get to be in that winning position all those times? Did you not discover any cards up to the point? Or were you playing a face aggro deck? In which case, I have zero sympathy, of course there are going to have to be some tools for slower decks to get an out in those games. Otherwise you just walk over your opponent and that's not healthy either. If you've had discover effects take the game away from you after you were in a winning position due to discover effects of your own, then you can't really complain.

    From what you're saying, my first assumption would be that you're playing aggro demon hunter.

    What exactly are these super big brain, skill required, no rng or discover decks that you seem to be playing? 

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    posted a message on Random Value Generation will STILL be a problem in Standard

    Demon Hunter is a standout example of a class that doesn't really have any value generation what so ever. It has its cards, you know what those cards are and after the 100th time of getting smacked in the face with the same weapon, following the same boosts being applied to it, it all gets very old.... At least for me and judging by the tears we've seen over the last 12 months, plenty of other people feel similar. 

    Know what else is boring to play against? Libram/Pure Paladin. That too is pretty much play the cards within your deck with the exception of a couple of things but I'm personally tired of facing that deck, so tired. Face Hunter.... Zzzzzzzzzzz. 

    I don't want to see the same decks repeatedly with the same cards. Discover and RNG keep the game fresh. I don't really mind priest match ups, mage either. I mainly play a quest mage with as much discover and random effects as possible. Very rarely do two games feel the same and whilst I get rolled over by aggro, there is always a chance I get something that can help me. Maybe that is 4 frost barriers and helps me stall long enough but for me, I see that happen one game in 50. I care not if it frustrates you because 49 times out of 50 I lose to that aggressive deck by turn 5 and that far out weighs your frustration, in my eyes at least.

    People complain about this game as if they want it in a state that they don't get triggered, annoyed, frustrated etc and you're chasing a holy grail there. It isn't going to happen. There will always be some deck or class or card that pisses you off. It's the same with pretty much every pvp focused game. Some tactic, character card, weapon, shot type, skill type, attribute class.... You get my drift here, will annoy someone, somewhere. 

    If you genuinely feel it's way too much, it may just be that the game isn't for you. Rather than complain about it until you get it how you want, look at alternatives that may be more your style? I tried magic once and it wasn't for me at all. The style, the feel, all of it was just too serious and tedious. I never once went on the magic forum to complain about the art style or whatever I accepted that it isn't the game for me and moved on.

    I definitely don't want them to tone it down, I'd be happy with more in all honesty. Decks like burgle rogue and quest mage are what I play the game for. If they are going to cater to the fave hunters, demon hunters and weapon rogues of the game then I want my RNG and discover so my less cheesy decks can get that 1 in 50 wins and I don't feel like I'm playing the same game over and over again. Demon hunter mirrors are an absolute bore. The more discover effects there are, the more options and choices you have and the more open you have to be when considering what your opponent might do. This rewards higher skilled players because choices and anticipation are big parts of what makes a skilled player skilled and a poor player poor.

    All of the above is completely my subjective view and is in no way telling anyone they should feel the same. 

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    posted a message on I DID IT ! What's your level Guys! LEVEL 350!

    Congratulations, that's impressive! 

    I'm 209 (with the pass) so I won't be getting 350 but I'm fine with that. I'm at 11k gold which I've never even been close to in the past and I used 2k for the mini set. I usually hit expansions with somewhere like 5-7k at the absolute max so to double my usual amount is something I'm personally really happy with.

    The pass overall has been a massive win for me and it's definitely done the job of getting me to be more active. Whether it's "ahhh go on then I'll just play a bit more to level up" or just encouraged me to login full stop, it's given a decent sense of progression and achievement that the 3 wins for 10 gold just never came close to doing for me. 

     

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    posted a message on So What's the Complaint This Time?
    Quote from 3nnu1 >>
    Quote from P4dge >>
    Quote from Pr1ncipe4i20 >>
    Quote from Arcengal >>

    100% going to be complaints about how the new Core Set sticks the finger up at anyone who collected the full classic set and crafted golden versions of legendaries. Which includes me, but I still get to play them in Wild so idgaf.

     

     And we are wrong to complain? We crafted golden copies...they will give us golden copies too? hmmm...
    When I say this is some sort of criminal practice many say it isn't cause it's a children's game, but u know what? The owners of the game are not children, so, lets think about it a second. Some ppl just like to be screwed and others doesn't even have anything to be screwed but are happy anyway to see other people screwed...but anyway, let's focus on what matters - Criminal Practices, u pay, they change, u paid for nothing, now they take it and now u have nothing.

     Criminal practice? You don't own these cards, they could shut down the game tomorrow and you would lose all of your cards, golden and all.

     The fact that you think this is an argument shows how ridiculous you are. 

     Nah I'm just not a deluded man child who cries about digital cards because I understand how the real world works and this simply represents a past time for me. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that this is digital content that can be changed and removed at their discretion then that's on you. 

    I didn't make an 'argument' I was pointing out how ridiculous the notion was that there is some sort of criminal practice going on. 

    You're crying about some digital cards and you have the absolute stones to suggest someone else is ridiculous?

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    posted a message on Why isn't there a post-match feedback system? Should there be one?
    Quote from skymarshall78 >>

    Wouldnt it just get massively abused?  You could have a total gentleman playing a deck thats a bit annoying to lose to and he’d get reported to oblivion by salty platers

     Yes, it would. In fact, I would imagine it would be primarily used just to troll and annoy people, including those who receive the reports. 

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    posted a message on Why isn't there a post-match feedback system? Should there be one?
    Quote from Biomass >>
    Quote from Chewmass >>

    nobody cares.

     The game is toxic and there's no intention from the devs to make it otherwise.

    It's the players who make it toxic. There are so many flaws with a reporting system in a game like this, I have no idea how they are supposed to effectively police it. Stop blaming other people for not controlling the behaviour of grown adults, I wouldn't expect them to pump resources into investigating people who have 'used too many emotes'. 

    It just says a lot about the general demographic of this game and the stereotypes people would attribute to people who typically play games like this. I mentioned about hearthstone once at work and the assumption was immediately that it would be nerdy, sweaty, smelly type of crowd and whilst the generalisation isn't fair, there's clearly a 'type' of person who tends to play this game and they do seem to get a boost of self esteem by spamming 'greetings' once they have secured lethal with their face hunter deck. Even a good chunk of the content creators are creepy and odd. 

    There's a reason I keep it to myself that I play this game.... 

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    posted a message on So What's the Complaint This Time?
    Quote from Pr1ncipe4i20 >>
    Quote from Arcengal >>

    100% going to be complaints about how the new Core Set sticks the finger up at anyone who collected the full classic set and crafted golden versions of legendaries. Which includes me, but I still get to play them in Wild so idgaf.

     

     And we are wrong to complain? We crafted golden copies...they will give us golden copies too? hmmm...
    When I say this is some sort of criminal practice many say it isn't cause it's a children's game, but u know what? The owners of the game are not children, so, lets think about it a second. Some ppl just like to be screwed and others doesn't even have anything to be screwed but are happy anyway to see other people screwed...but anyway, let's focus on what matters - Criminal Practices, u pay, they change, u paid for nothing, now they take it and now u have nothing.

     Criminal practice? You don't own these cards, they could shut down the game tomorrow and you would lose all of your cards, golden and all.

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    posted a message on Does Aegwynn, the Guardian work the same as Immortal Prelate?

    Seems weird wordng when it could just be "the next minion you draw gains +2 spell damage and this death rattle". Maybe too much text? 

    Got me thinking though that card that chains could be very cool. The next minion you draw gains the +2 spell damage + 'these powers' which pass on the card text, meaning you can stack death rattles, card text and battlecries with each next drawn minion gaining the text from the minions before it. No idea how that would be if it was actually in game but a fun thought all the same. 

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    posted a message on PRAISE JARAXXUS!!
    Quote from Mini1994 >>

    Just as a question: has it been confirmed that his hero power stays the same?

    I somehow find it very hard to believe they'd give the card such an absurdly ludicrous buff without even thinking about the ramifications of it. His hero power is, even by the standards of every other hero card, absurd in its current form if it stays the same.

     I'm sure I watched something where they hovered over the hero power and it was the same.

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    posted a message on Are there core cards you are very unhappy to see ?

    I wouldn't say 'very unhappy' but I was holding onto some faint hope of seeing defile return and Warlock's core package looks pretty disappointing. Control Warlock is probably a large part of what hooked me into the game and it seems it is getting more of a discard/zoo set which is OK but I'm left hoping it gets some good support in the next expansion.

    Overall it's less of a shake up than I had hoped for but I'm aware it's the first rotation and they may not want to take too many risks or chances with all the other changes they are putting together. 

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    posted a message on Press F to pay respects to Classic Dragons
    Quote from Tyk3 >>

    New Nozdormu is bizarre unless there is going to be some way to have a Gentleman's agreement with your opponent to both run it. Is anyone really going to run a do nothing most of the time card it in the hope they get the odd faster game?

    Unless there is going to be a clever way to put the card in to you opponents deck we haven't seen yet...

     Doubt it, it's a start of game effect so I wouldn't think that's possible. 

    Seems a card you can either use with friends, both include in your deck for speed games and a bit of fun as well as a card you can add and just see how many fellow 'Nozdormus' there are. Clearly it would be for a bit of fun rather than serious, competitive play but I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy a moment when the start of game effect goes off and you've found another Nozdormu player. It won't be for everyone, sure, but I can see why there could be a niche for it. 

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    posted a message on Will they keep doing things like Darkmoon prizes?

    Asking why they removed it is looking at wrong, they were never meant to be a permanent addition. They always had a finite period of time they were going to be in the game for.

    I personally liked them, I don't play BG all that much though so I may not have gotten tired of them. They seem to have been pretty popular and I imagine they will continue to introduce mechanics for a limited period of time, to keep the game fresh. 

    I'd rather have 3 different sorts of these prizes and similar mechanics that aren't in the game all year than have the same mechanic as a permanent fixture. 

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    posted a message on Game of Thrones Expansion
    Quote from Live4vrRdieTryn >>

    Screw GoT most overhyped garbage entertainment out there. Same goes for 95% of series. People just like them so they can be hooked on something. Always its a lot of meandoring plot, overuse of drama to fill in the blanks and a shameless usage of anticipation that people jump the bandwagon on for the very sake of doing so.

    Google the meaning of the word subjective. Read it over as many times as it will take for you to understand what it means and stop having childish outbursts because some people like things you don't.

    You need to realise that what your subjective opinion simply isn't important enough to warrant this type of rant and certainly doesn't entitle you to this delusion of superiority you appear to have. 

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    posted a message on Game of Thrones Expansion
    Quote from hillandder >>
    Quote from Live4vrRdieTryn >>

    Screw GoT most overhyped garbage entertainment out there...

     The first 4 seasons shows amazing characters, great writing, stellar performances from the actors, hearth break scenes and good action and battle sometimes, in your best moments nothing else in TV can be compared.

    Of course, it is very hard to keep so high standards all the time and even in the best seasons have bad moments but far from what I can call "overhyped garbage".

    Then the serie run out of the books, the people what show to be very competent and smart for adapt the texts from a midia to another unfortunately can't do the same when they need to write the all thing.

    Everyone, even the most die-hard fan, agree the last seasons are way worse than before but what this show do in your early seasons are unprecedent, even movies look cheap when we compare them with the best episodes in terms of production value.

     It's very amusing to me that people are bothered by what someone else likes. It's so childish and petty that people insist that others must feel the same as them. 

    I mean, this is really, really basic human behaviour that should be taught at a very young age. I liked season 8 and people literally lose their mind over it. 

    Star wars fans are a particularly funny group. Never known a set of fans who will so strongly defend their love for something whilst slating two thirds of it. If I mention liking 1-3 or 7-9 or pretty much any of the spin off movies I practically get physically assaulted. If I say the series is over rated, I practically get physically assaulted. Make your minds up guys....

    With GoT I feel like people had just fantasised their own ending and were upset that it wasn't what they wanted. It could have been better but I still enjoyed it and I've seen such a large number of "how it should have been" that it's clear none of the people making these videos would have enjoyed everyone else's so whilst they could have done a better job, I doubt they would have pleased people across the board because people really are convinced that what they think would be best is just objectively better. 

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    posted a message on Which wild cards are you hopeful to see in the core set, and why is it Duskbreaker?

    I'd love defile back. The most rewarding and flexible board clear ever. Trading and calculating things correctly for a full board wipe is brilliant and removing a hadrobix druid of not only it's board but all of the subsequent taunts that were also summoned and then seeing them concede remains the most satisfactory moment I've had in hearthstone. 

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