"What I would like to see is the developers taking an approach similar to what I did"
What makes you think they didn't? I would be astounded if they didn't have predictive models that they rely on for initial card designs.
Demon hunter does. Take Glaivebound Adept for example, this has an efficiency of 130%. That is quite high when compared to other cards. Priestess of Fury only has an efficiency of 142%, which is reflected by it being a ridiculously good seven drop. However, they decided to print Raging Felscreamer which can make this card a 5 drop. This makes the card have an efficiency of 190% when played on curve with cost reduction. This is an insane amount of value, reflected by the efficiency.
There are other strong cards that each class will have huge value with, Reno for example, but they are most often situational, later game and legendary. The combo I mentioned is very easy to pull off especially with all the card draw DH has. This leads me to think blizzard either doesn’t have these metrics or doesn’t care about them.
The coin is supposed to make up for the disadvantage of going second, since you don't have initiative on board. It's supposed to be "good"!
This. Without the coin, the player going first would always win.
Sad to see so many people not understanding the game at all.
It’s already this way with DH mirror matches. Many of the games come down to who went first wins because going second means you are always reacting. DH is not a reactive build.
You’re right. Everyone thinks that they know what they want and what they want will make them happy. If they don’t get what they want, they are perpetually unhappy, but lucky. Far worse are the people who get what they want but find that it doesn’t make them happy. They assume that either what they got wasn’t what they wanted or they aren’t sure of what they want because they aren’t sure what will make them happy. In truth, they are the same as the people who never get what they want, perpetually unhappy. The only difference is that the people that never get what they want aren’t burdened by the existential crisis that is the realization that they will never be happy, and thus they can become content being unhappy. That is the best hearthstone and life gets, content. Nobody is ever happy with anything ever.
Control warrior with a bomb package. If they are playing highlander cards, they get shut down and stacking their deck full of bombs makes it risky to draw cards which is what rogue does best.
I have played around with it and tried some homebrew ideas with it, problem is, the damn albatross shuts it down entirely. Even after the nerds, albatross will still be used in galakrond warlock and priest, so unfortunately, spell mage will be relegated to just for fun and memes until next rotation. Also there is no healing, other than ice block, and demon hunter and face hunter will trample you.
Rez Priest, so boring to play against (you're not the only one to auto concede in casual), just adds to this bad feeling many of us have right now...
Rez Priest is based on mana cheating and that never feels good to play against. When I see Psychopomp into Khartut Defender into Grave Rune I'm just dying inside...
You’re not using the term mana cheating right. You’re confusing it with value, and Rez priest has a ton of that. Also, the scenario you mentioned is the worst case for Psychopomp. You don’t want to resurrect cards with him that already have reborn, you want cards like Convincing Infiltrator that have a powerful deathrattle but don’t already have reborn.
I have had good success with dragon priest. Go full control. The best counter is lots of board clears and lots of healing. They will get you into single digits but if you have two big lifesteal minions, you make a comeback. The ignore taunts is what kills me sometimes, that effect is worse than antaen in my opinion. It breaks a fundamental mechanism and there is no counter or defense for it.
You can’t win against a golden soul juggler, how has this shit not been fixed yet. It has been warping the meta before dragons and it still is after dragons.
The only problem with the current meta is the return of hunters. Nothing makes this game less enjoyable than playing against facerunning hunters over and over and over. It makes for a very stale meta where you will just have a very limited pool of viable decls because hunters lock out so many decks.
It’s the same on all ranks and in legend. Just a hunter fest.
I can’t remember which expansion it was, but for like 2-3 expansions last year hunters suffered and you never saw them. It made for the most diverse and most fun meta we’ve ever had.
in conclussion: They should keep hunters weak or implement tournament style bans for ladder play.
Hunters never suffered. Either you mean year of the raven where Deathstalker Rexxar was still in standard or this year, where we had highlander hunter the whole time. Or do you mean mech hunter from year of the raven? The meta where magnetic meant you couldn’t let them have a 0/2 on the board. Hunter has always been and always will be strong.
Pretty heavy aggro with at least 3 decks viable and only 1 viable control deck. However, shamanstone at one night in karazan with Tunnel Trogg followed by Totem Golem and Spirit Claws was the most aggro.
Arguably, beta or Naxx was more aggro too, but this was also a time when Chillwind Yeti was an auto-include because of the value.
I like to make my own homebrew decks and I have made a few really good ones. I made a good Razakus priest on Kotft launch and I have been playing Rez priest with good results since mech control warrior was dominating the meta. I have made some absolutely terrible decks too that I really wanted to make work (heal Druid and pure paladin) but they just can’t compete with meta decks.
Which brings me to my point, homebrew decks are most fun when you win with them. I usually look at what the current top decks are and pick an archetype to counter it, then go from there. My current best homebrew deck right now is a highlander control shaman. This is because it has great board clears against the onslaught of aggro decks.
Whichever deck you want to make, start by including two copies of all the cards that do what you want to counter the archetype you are building against. If you want to get around Rez priest or embiggen Druid for instance, shaman would be a good start with hex, curse of murlocs, tinkmaster, Leeroy, and zul drak ritualist. Then fill it out with strong class cards and make a mana curve around these core cards.
Test your deck by looking at win rates against the archetype you are countering, then remove cards that aren’t performing well and substitute them with cards that will help against other decks. Like lightning storm won’t be great against embiggen/Rez but it will help you in matches against token Druid and face hunter.
I hope this helps, good luck making your decks and remember, even if you have a lower win rate than meta decks, you aren’t running a netdeck which can reduce you to a human macro, so be proud when it works right.
Res priest games go as long as it takes to run your opponent out of steam. With hyper aggro decks like face hunter and zoolock you can win before turn 10. A curved out vargoth doubled mass res usually results in a concession on turn 9. If you complete your quest, aggro typically concedes because they know they just lost.
Sorry to hear you don’t like the state of the meta. I find this complaint kind of odd though as murloc and mech have been core archetypes for paladin for some time now. However, I do wish dragon pally was better.
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Demon hunter does. Take Glaivebound Adept for example, this has an efficiency of 130%. That is quite high when compared to other cards. Priestess of Fury only has an efficiency of 142%, which is reflected by it being a ridiculously good seven drop. However, they decided to print Raging Felscreamer which can make this card a 5 drop. This makes the card have an efficiency of 190% when played on curve with cost reduction. This is an insane amount of value, reflected by the efficiency.
There are other strong cards that each class will have huge value with, Reno for example, but they are most often situational, later game and legendary. The combo I mentioned is very easy to pull off especially with all the card draw DH has. This leads me to think blizzard either doesn’t have these metrics or doesn’t care about them.
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It’s already this way with DH mirror matches. Many of the games come down to who went first wins because going second means you are always reacting. DH is not a reactive build.
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You’re right. Everyone thinks that they know what they want and what they want will make them happy. If they don’t get what they want, they are perpetually unhappy, but lucky. Far worse are the people who get what they want but find that it doesn’t make them happy. They assume that either what they got wasn’t what they wanted or they aren’t sure of what they want because they aren’t sure what will make them happy. In truth, they are the same as the people who never get what they want, perpetually unhappy. The only difference is that the people that never get what they want aren’t burdened by the existential crisis that is the realization that they will never be happy, and thus they can become content being unhappy. That is the best hearthstone and life gets, content. Nobody is ever happy with anything ever.
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Control warrior with a bomb package. If they are playing highlander cards, they get shut down and stacking their deck full of bombs makes it risky to draw cards which is what rogue does best.
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I have played around with it and tried some homebrew ideas with it, problem is, the damn albatross shuts it down entirely. Even after the nerds, albatross will still be used in galakrond warlock and priest, so unfortunately, spell mage will be relegated to just for fun and memes until next rotation. Also there is no healing, other than ice block, and demon hunter and face hunter will trample you.
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You’re not using the term mana cheating right. You’re confusing it with value, and Rez priest has a ton of that. Also, the scenario you mentioned is the worst case for Psychopomp. You don’t want to resurrect cards with him that already have reborn, you want cards like Convincing Infiltrator that have a powerful deathrattle but don’t already have reborn.
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I have had good success with dragon priest. Go full control. The best counter is lots of board clears and lots of healing. They will get you into single digits but if you have two big lifesteal minions, you make a comeback. The ignore taunts is what kills me sometimes, that effect is worse than antaen in my opinion. It breaks a fundamental mechanism and there is no counter or defense for it.
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Before you go, I have one question for you, at what age should I get my dog neutered? I don’t know why blizzard needs vets... anyway, bye!
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You can’t win against a golden soul juggler, how has this shit not been fixed yet. It has been warping the meta before dragons and it still is after dragons.
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Hunters never suffered. Either you mean year of the raven where Deathstalker Rexxar was still in standard or this year, where we had highlander hunter the whole time. Or do you mean mech hunter from year of the raven? The meta where magnetic meant you couldn’t let them have a 0/2 on the board. Hunter has always been and always will be strong.
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Pretty heavy aggro with at least 3 decks viable and only 1 viable control deck. However, shamanstone at one night in karazan with Tunnel Trogg followed by Totem Golem and Spirit Claws was the most aggro.
Arguably, beta or Naxx was more aggro too, but this was also a time when Chillwind Yeti was an auto-include because of the value.
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I like to make my own homebrew decks and I have made a few really good ones. I made a good Razakus priest on Kotft launch and I have been playing Rez priest with good results since mech control warrior was dominating the meta. I have made some absolutely terrible decks too that I really wanted to make work (heal Druid and pure paladin) but they just can’t compete with meta decks.
Which brings me to my point, homebrew decks are most fun when you win with them. I usually look at what the current top decks are and pick an archetype to counter it, then go from there. My current best homebrew deck right now is a highlander control shaman. This is because it has great board clears against the onslaught of aggro decks.
Whichever deck you want to make, start by including two copies of all the cards that do what you want to counter the archetype you are building against. If you want to get around Rez priest or embiggen Druid for instance, shaman would be a good start with hex, curse of murlocs, tinkmaster, Leeroy, and zul drak ritualist. Then fill it out with strong class cards and make a mana curve around these core cards.
Test your deck by looking at win rates against the archetype you are countering, then remove cards that aren’t performing well and substitute them with cards that will help against other decks. Like lightning storm won’t be great against embiggen/Rez but it will help you in matches against token Druid and face hunter.
I hope this helps, good luck making your decks and remember, even if you have a lower win rate than meta decks, you aren’t running a netdeck which can reduce you to a human macro, so be proud when it works right.
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Res priest games go as long as it takes to run your opponent out of steam. With hyper aggro decks like face hunter and zoolock you can win before turn 10. A curved out vargoth doubled mass res usually results in a concession on turn 9. If you complete your quest, aggro typically concedes because they know they just lost.
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I mute everyone after any emote and never emote. You emote me hello, I don’t emote back and mute you. I hate emotes and that’s how I deal with it.
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Sorry to hear you don’t like the state of the meta. I find this complaint kind of odd though as murloc and mech have been core archetypes for paladin for some time now. However, I do wish dragon pally was better.