How would this help anything at all? Kaz druid who runs just kaz+onyxia wouldn't be affected, and it'd let decks who use kaz with dragons to just jam him on 8 anyway and start the stupidity just as early. Maybe the solution is to just stop printing absolutely stupid cards which are a self-containing win condition, and iunno, letting people do anything they want because they have 20 mana on turn 10.
It would help (in some ways) because running only kaz and onyxia is not the optimal version of the deck. Being able to run Naga Giants with Elune is a huge upside, when drawing through your entire deck quickly and efficiently, thus making Kaz's condition unimportant, isn't hard.
HOWEVER, it would eliminate some of the nuance around these cards - especially the Highlander ones. I can't tell you how many times since LOE launched that I was running a highlander deck, then idiotically used some spell that would shuffle multiple copies of something into my deck, only to realize I had neutered Reno. (Along those same longs, there would be no room for Albatross tech etc)
also the duplicate protection works in a fishy way, always in detriment of the players, as usual with blizzard
for example, i dont have all the epic mercs but i keep receiving stupid epic costumes of mercs that already have instead of a mercs that i dont have, luckily didnt happen to me with legendaries but if i collect coin by coin to purchase a f*****ing pack and i receive a cosmetic legendary instead of a legendary mercs i think i abandon the mode
Yeah I saw an interesting write-up on this phenomenon over on Out of Cards.
I've been playing a lot of Pokemon Hearth Gold...uh, sorry, I mean Mercenaries, this week, and I've got to say that I'm enjoying it A LOT more than I thought I would. (Granted, that bar was set very, very low, but nonetheless I am having fun.) That being said, there's some really low-hanging fruit in terms of improvement/QoL:
1. Make enemy actions fit into the screen on mobile. I said this in another post, but I truly cannot believe the mode shipped this way. I generally play HS 50/50 mobile vs on the computer because it's a pretty similar experience for me either way, but Mercenaries is totally different when you have no idea what the enemy is going to do (which I guess is how PvP works? Haven't tried it yet).
2. Make it so that you can see the abilities of the Mercenaries you are considering crafting. Also very surprised it shipped this way. Can you imagine the card text being blurred out if you were looking at crafting a card in constructed?
3. Some sort of esthetic addition to the cards to designate Alliance vs Horde. Again, I mentioned this in another post, but this is super confusing for people who aren't coming from the WoW environment. I would say 85% of the time, I can guess/intuit which faction a card belongs to, but sometimes I have no idea or am genuinely surprised. (Ex: Kurtrus looks much more Horde-y to me.)
4. Explain what in the world does Rexxar's "Half-Orc" mean? And what's the other half? Does he potentially get buffs for two tribes?
5. Make the equipment a little more interesting/diverse. "Add 1 attack to X ability" is a kind of a snooze fest.
6. Add some more enemy diversity in PvE. I'm mostly thinking of Winterspring right now. It feels like every single battle is against 3 owl guys that attack randomly at the end of the turn. It feels like they spent the most time on Barrens, then progressively spent less time on each subsequent area.
7. Add Jigglypuff as a Merc.
Again, I'm enjoying the mode. These are not meant to be complaints, just suggestions. Curious to hear what other QoL improvement ideas y'all have.
It does seem like a bizarre oversight, given how much time Mercenaries apparently spent in development and how much prominence they gave the launch.
I was never really a WoW player and I think Hearthstone has always done a good job at being accessible to people who don't know (and don't care to learn) about the genealogy and curriculum vitae of the VanCleef family, or what have you.
I sometimes think "I wonder why that character says that" when I hear a legendary voice line (who are these lapdogs that Edwin's so upset with?) but that's about the extent of it.
The only comparable example I can think of from Hearthstone was that one generated by Elite Tauren Chieftan that said "Summon a Random Horde Warrior. I figured they'd moved away from that sort of design because it required knowledge of WoW to interpret.
As far as I can tell you can't even search your collection for "Horde" and "Alliance," which seems like an even bigger oversight. The deck manager for regular Hearthstone is pretty good for that kind of thing these days.
Imagine if you're completely new to the IP and you're expected to know which type of elf goes where.
I'm guessing it'll be changed soon.
You know, it never really occurred to me that anyone playing Hearthstone would come from a background of zero knowledge of the lore ahead of time. I mean, "fresh-start-never-even-seen-an-orc-before-why-is-that-one-dude-so-short" green to the universe.
For me it was my love of Warcraft lore that got me into this game and keeps me here.
It would be interesting to know just how many current HS players started from scratch - like, just saw the game in the mobile store and thought... hey, that looks neat.
Looking at it from that perspective, they definitely should add some tooltips or something to help players understand the difference, since it actually matters for gameplay.
We have a limited number of keywords in constructed because they want to make the game simple and easy to understand for new players... so... yeah. Should cover all their bases, then, eh?
Yeah, I think they were hoping more people with no Warcraft knowledge would start playing when they dropped the "Heroes of Warcraft" subtitle from Hearthstone. I myself had played Warcraft 3 years ago, but never did the campaign, just PvP. Some of the Alliance vs Horde stuff is kind of intuitive (humans vs orcs), but there's also a ton of gray areas.
Thanks for all the replies, y’all. This has been helpful, but I’m still shocked that this knowledge is ASSUMED by Blizz. Especially since they have historically said that they don’t like to nerf by changing card text because it would confuse players. This seems much more confusing to me, but maybe I should have pre-gamed with a few dozen hours of WoW…
I’ve been playing the new Mercenaries mode and sometimes you can get a buff to all Alliance or Horde mercs. I have no WoW knowledge. Is there some esthetic I’m missing that tells which group a merc belongs to? I get that most humans seem to be alliance and orcs are horde, but what about all the other races?
I’ve had a lot of fun so far. I just tried to play on mobile though and it was SUPER bad. You can’t see the attacks that the enemies have planned because it gets cropped….can’t believe it went live that way
The Mechazod idea is really interesting but idk how problematic that might be with poisonous stuff. It would give easy access to DS+poisonous, which we have seen before is kinda OP. I would love to see that hero buffed though. Really nice thread!
Why is everyone on this forum so angry these days? I used to like coming to read people's opinions on stuff, stories and ideas about cards/decks.
Now it's like every thread is just overflowing salt about one thing or another.
It's not really fun to be here anymore. It's exhausting to read instead of a fun distraction while at work.
I agree with you, man! I feel like you can’t write a post about anything anymore without getting a ton of pointlessly angry responses. Also, can’t believe you changed the profile pic from Anakin!
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It would help (in some ways) because running only kaz and onyxia is not the optimal version of the deck. Being able to run Naga Giants with Elune is a huge upside, when drawing through your entire deck quickly and efficiently, thus making Kaz's condition unimportant, isn't hard.
HOWEVER, it would eliminate some of the nuance around these cards - especially the Highlander ones. I can't tell you how many times since LOE launched that I was running a highlander deck, then idiotically used some spell that would shuffle multiple copies of something into my deck, only to realize I had neutered Reno. (Along those same longs, there would be no room for Albatross tech etc)
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Nice work!! Huge congrats!
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I just saw the data from Blizz that Gruul and Natalie are apparently really strong Mercs. Can someone who is good at this mode explain to me:
1. Why is Gruul good? I have him but he seems lackluster.
2. How does the Anetheron/Benediction thing work? I know the abilities say “if you have Anetheron”, but how do you get it?
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Wow! I had totally missed the load screen tip, so this is 100000% VITAL. Thank you!
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Yeah I saw an interesting write-up on this phenomenon over on Out of Cards.
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Interesting. That makes sense, and it adds to the idea that they're assuming WoW background for this mode.
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I've been playing a lot of Pokemon Hearth Gold...uh, sorry, I mean Mercenaries, this week, and I've got to say that I'm enjoying it A LOT more than I thought I would. (Granted, that bar was set very, very low, but nonetheless I am having fun.) That being said, there's some really low-hanging fruit in terms of improvement/QoL:
1. Make enemy actions fit into the screen on mobile. I said this in another post, but I truly cannot believe the mode shipped this way. I generally play HS 50/50 mobile vs on the computer because it's a pretty similar experience for me either way, but Mercenaries is totally different when you have no idea what the enemy is going to do (which I guess is how PvP works? Haven't tried it yet).
2. Make it so that you can see the abilities of the Mercenaries you are considering crafting. Also very surprised it shipped this way. Can you imagine the card text being blurred out if you were looking at crafting a card in constructed?
3. Some sort of esthetic addition to the cards to designate Alliance vs Horde. Again, I mentioned this in another post, but this is super confusing for people who aren't coming from the WoW environment. I would say 85% of the time, I can guess/intuit which faction a card belongs to, but sometimes I have no idea or am genuinely surprised. (Ex: Kurtrus looks much more Horde-y to me.)
4. Explain what in the world does Rexxar's "Half-Orc" mean? And what's the other half? Does he potentially get buffs for two tribes?
5. Make the equipment a little more interesting/diverse. "Add 1 attack to X ability" is a kind of a snooze fest.
6. Add some more enemy diversity in PvE. I'm mostly thinking of Winterspring right now. It feels like every single battle is against 3 owl guys that attack randomly at the end of the turn. It feels like they spent the most time on Barrens, then progressively spent less time on each subsequent area.
7. Add Jigglypuff as a Merc.
Again, I'm enjoying the mode. These are not meant to be complaints, just suggestions. Curious to hear what other QoL improvement ideas y'all have.
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Yeah, I think they were hoping more people with no Warcraft knowledge would start playing when they dropped the "Heroes of Warcraft" subtitle from Hearthstone. I myself had played Warcraft 3 years ago, but never did the campaign, just PvP. Some of the Alliance vs Horde stuff is kind of intuitive (humans vs orcs), but there's also a ton of gray areas.
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Thanks for all the replies, y’all. This has been helpful, but I’m still shocked that this knowledge is ASSUMED by Blizz. Especially since they have historically said that they don’t like to nerf by changing card text because it would confuse players. This seems much more confusing to me, but maybe I should have pre-gamed with a few dozen hours of WoW…
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I’ve been playing the new Mercenaries mode and sometimes you can get a buff to all Alliance or Horde mercs. I have no WoW knowledge. Is there some esthetic I’m missing that tells which group a merc belongs to? I get that most humans seem to be alliance and orcs are horde, but what about all the other races?
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I’ve had a lot of fun so far. I just tried to play on mobile though and it was SUPER bad. You can’t see the attacks that the enemies have planned because it gets cropped….can’t believe it went live that way
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I’m getting the same thing, just for HS in general. It lets me log in, then says “reconnecting” infinitely
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Definitely sounds like something xskarma can fix. He should be able to fix the issue by end of day.
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The Mechazod idea is really interesting but idk how problematic that might be with poisonous stuff. It would give easy access to DS+poisonous, which we have seen before is kinda OP. I would love to see that hero buffed though. Really nice thread!
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I agree with you, man! I feel like you can’t write a post about anything anymore without getting a ton of pointlessly angry responses. Also, can’t believe you changed the profile pic from Anakin!