So I was reading a post about why Bogshaper is an elemental but not Fen Creeper. Another similar case is with Arfus that has the beast tag but not Ghostly Charger that lost its tag due to it being "a spectre" and not a "living animal". Another one that I have been thinking about is Dragonbane that just appears to be manually handled artillery for an airship in its card art. However, Ship's Cannon is not! Do you think this is an inconsistency and are there any more cards that you feel are in a similar situation?
Sometimes I do not understand how Team 5 puts tribes in artworks that has nothing to do with the image, others where it does not have a tribe but clearly in the image it has a defined identity.
I would like someone to publish in reddit a table of all the cards that a tribe should or should lose.
Dragonbane that just appears to be manually handled artillery for an airship in its card art. However, Ship's Cannon is not!
Dragonbane is a mech that shoots by itself, you can see the eyes and legs in the art and it shoots arrows from its mouth so I think it makes sense that he is a Mech(I tried looking for a full art but couldn't find one, for some reason all the links are broken :/)
Dragonbane that just appears to be manually handled artillery for an airship in its card art. However, Ship's Cannon is not!
Dragonbane is a mech that shoots by itself, you can see the eyes and legs in the art and it shoots arrows from its mouth so I think it makes sense that he is a Mech(I tried looking for a full art but couldn't find one, for some reason all the links are broken :/)
But you can see there's a dude winding up the mechanism :/
I remember having a similar discussion some time ago regarding Ship's Cannon and Piloted Shredder. Why is one a mech and the other isn't? Both have to be operated in order to work.
Dragonbane that just appears to be manually handled artillery for an airship in its card art. However, Ship's Cannon is not!
Dragonbane is a mech that shoots by itself, you can see the eyes and legs in the art and it shoots arrows from its mouth so I think it makes sense that he is a Mech(I tried looking for a full art but couldn't find one, for some reason all the links are broken :/)
But you can see there's a dude winding up the mechanism :/
I remember having a similar discussion some time ago regarding Ship's Cannon and Piloted Shredder. Why is one a mech and the other isn't? Both have to be operated in order to work.
Maybe the operator is there only to aim and Dragonbane shoots by itself ;)
I dunno, don't know much about how mechs worked in WoW lore, if they have some kind of AI or is a mech anything that can be controlled by a humanoid.
But on some level, literally have no idea how to describe it I can see why a Cannon can be just a minion and Dragonbane could be a Mech
I have a problem with calling arthropods "beasts". This online definition says the definition of beast is: an animal, especially a large or dangerous four-footed one.
I guess an insect is an animal, but as a native English-speaker, when I think "beast", I think of mammals, mainly. A wasp is not really a beast.
I've also been influenced by 3rd Edition D&D's differentiation between animals, vermin, and magical beasts as creature types. I think that non-vertebrate animals should have a "Vermin" tag (or something similar), and that only vertebrates should have the "Beast" tag.
One consequence of including arthropods and other non-vertebrates in the "Beast" tribe, is that the "Beast" tribe is too encompassing.
Hearthstone missed an opportunity to create a category that could link the Druid and Warlock classes together, as those classes would have the most "Vermin" cards.
So arfus is an exception and blizzard commented on it. They want it to be in deathstalker rexxar's beasts pool in order to create zombeasts with it because they said it's a fun card. Something similar happened to witchwood grizzly, the original artwork was a spectre but blizzard changed it because they liked deathrattle hunter and grizzly was pretty good in that deck.
I think dragonbane is a mech because it was built and maybe has some kind of mechanism unlike a cannon on a pirate ship. It makes sense to me.
And to explain the thing with mechs that are piloted by someone... If the artwork is focused on the mech, then it has the tag. Omega Defender is a good example.
So I was reading a post about why Bogshaper is an elemental but not Fen Creeper. Another similar case is with Arfus that has the beast tag but not Ghostly Charger that lost its tag due to it being "a spectre" and not a "living animal". Another one that I have been thinking about is Dragonbane that just appears to be manually handled artillery for an airship in its card art. However, Ship's Cannon is not! Do you think this is an inconsistency and are there any more cards that you feel are in a similar situation?
And do you think that the card mentioned as examples should keep their tag or lose it?
To finally balance Patches, every minion that is a Pirate should become not a pirate. That oughtta do it.
Sometimes I do not understand how Team 5 puts tribes in artworks that has nothing to do with the image, others where it does not have a tribe but clearly in the image it has a defined identity.
I would like someone to publish in reddit a table of all the cards that a tribe should or should lose.
Winged Guardian. You know why
Dragonbane is a mech that shoots by itself, you can see the eyes and legs in the art and it shoots arrows from its mouth so I think it makes sense that he is a Mech(I tried looking for a full art but couldn't find one, for some reason all the links are broken :/)
i mean, what do you expect from a company that puts a clefthoof into their artwork and call it kodo?
yeah, 'nuff said
But you can see there's a dude winding up the mechanism :/
I remember having a similar discussion some time ago regarding Ship's Cannon and Piloted Shredder. Why is one a mech and the other isn't? Both have to be operated in order to work.
i guess because the cannon isn't necessarily 'sentient' for lack of a better word
in some case it makes sense maybe
I agree, dragonbane should lose its tag and Arfus as well. I’m sure there are more inconsistencies I just can’t think of any off hand
Maybe the operator is there only to aim and Dragonbane shoots by itself ;)
I dunno, don't know much about how mechs worked in WoW lore, if they have some kind of AI or is a mech anything that can be controlled by a humanoid.
But on some level, literally have no idea how to describe it I can see why a Cannon can be just a minion and Dragonbane could be a Mech
Desert Obelisk and Gunspire should be mechs at the very least to screw up Omega Assembly.
I have a problem with calling arthropods "beasts". This online definition says the definition of beast is: an animal, especially a large or dangerous four-footed one.
I guess an insect is an animal, but as a native English-speaker, when I think "beast", I think of mammals, mainly. A wasp is not really a beast.
I've also been influenced by 3rd Edition D&D's differentiation between animals, vermin, and magical beasts as creature types. I think that non-vertebrate animals should have a "Vermin" tag (or something similar), and that only vertebrates should have the "Beast" tag.
One consequence of including arthropods and other non-vertebrates in the "Beast" tribe, is that the "Beast" tribe is too encompassing.
Hearthstone missed an opportunity to create a category that could link the Druid and Warlock classes together, as those classes would have the most "Vermin" cards.
War Golem should be a mech.
edit: Giants being elementals is also just really weird. Years ago, they weren't.
So arfus is an exception and blizzard commented on it. They want it to be in deathstalker rexxar's beasts pool in order to create zombeasts with it because they said it's a fun card. Something similar happened to witchwood grizzly, the original artwork was a spectre but blizzard changed it because they liked deathrattle hunter and grizzly was pretty good in that deck.
I think dragonbane is a mech because it was built and maybe has some kind of mechanism unlike a cannon on a pirate ship. It makes sense to me.
And to explain the thing with mechs that are piloted by someone... If the artwork is focused on the mech, then it has the tag. Omega Defender is a good example.
It’s a mech because a guy is behind it operating it.