With all the controversy surrounding Blizzard/HS right now, which Im 100% againts them, there is something I want to talk about.
With the card changes, the arts, the flavours and the texts, something wasn't mentioned... FULL DUST REFUND! Yes, you've heard me. How in God's name didn't they gave the players the dust back regardless if it was golden or not? We are talking about purchasing (if you payed for the packs and got those cards), using dust to create normal and golden versions or simply getting them as rewards! And at the end, they changed the visual entirely which completely changes the perspective of the card!
Although its not nerfs that directly hits the game itself, it still is manipulation of what you own. Its your collection, the time and/or money you used to have those cards! And they, simply take them away and change them visually without any compensation, ITS A SCAM!
Imagine you buy a pack of cards you collect. You get this sweet looking card you always wanted because it looks cool. Now, that same company you bought the pack from, takes your card away and changes the art that you used to like, so some degraded looking art? How would you feel? You would ask for a return of the money right? But they deny it. So you wasted resources for something that was never going to be yours at the first place although it was stated it would be.
Hipocrisy:
Blizzard/Hearthstone, if you are aiming for more censorship to your game to appeal a small group of angry people at the internet and you want to make it look more friendly to kids... Why not change your store price systems? And create restrictions?
If you are so worried about "today standards" about sexy pics, violence and gore, why are you not worried about "childrean" (that you are now targeting it for with this changes) using money to buy your packs and deals?
You know why? Because you didn't really made this changes because you woke up one day and thought "this is bad!". You made them because you now prefer to follow the people who don't even care or play your game. But when it comes to money, you step back and let it still be as bad as it is. Locking portraits behind 80 dollars deals, insane prices for packs, etc.
You've a new low. You are on a life support Blizzard, just saying.
If you are serious about accusing Blizzard for scamming, changes to card art and flavour text should be the last of your worries! Remember they also do things like nerfing a common to make 3 legendaries almost unplayable and introducing the standard format; gaining the right to regularly remove a huge chunk of your collection from the most important competetive way to play the game...
Dude, they just changed the card arts. For better or worse, changing the art has ZERO effect on gameplay.
Therefore Blizzard in reality owes you ZERO dust for the card changes. They only offer refunds for the cards that get nerfed in Mana or card effects get changed.
Believe me I share your frustration with their blatant and outright lies on this matter, that was a terrible PR post that us in the labor world call "lip service", were they just say something to shut up raging fans.
But snapping back at them blindly like this will get you no wear. Especially since Blizzard for the most part avoids hearthpwn anyways.
Trust me there are scams and lies being told but in this case dust has nothing to do with it. It's all china/pr nightmare nonsense that blizzard is trying to deal with as a company, we're (the player base) just the poor schmucks caught in the middle.
I find it so ridiculous that people want dust refunds for the changes, like the eviserate change literally just removed like 10 pixels of blood, mistress of pain still has the “sexualized” look, I think they changed succubus completely because it doesn’t really match a succubus to be overstated and discard a card.
While I disagree with the card art changes as well as the teams bullshit response on the matter, they backed themselves into this corner when they made the game rated 7+. Changes like this (however poorly implemented) were a long time coming.
I see your point and I agree that since we 'own' these cards, if they are changed, taken, or affected without compensation or notification then it is wrong. I personally was upset because I think its a weak move and I liked the old art a lot.
You also have to be realistic. I don't think they handled it well but nothing in my gut clamored for a dust refund and I don't think it's called for.
I think scam is the wrong word, I think you might be looking for 'sham', to which I agree with you. The art change was a sham.
I see your point and I agree that since we 'own' these cards, if they are changed, taken, or affected without compensation or notification then it is wrong. I personally was upset because I think its a weak move and I liked the old art a lot.
You also have to be realistic. I don't think they handled it well but nothing in my gut clamored for a dust refund and I don't think it's called for.
I think scam is the wrong word, I think you might be looking for 'sham', to which I agree with you. The art change was a sham.
Blizzard owns everything, we are just users of their system; pretty clear in the ToS as well. Remember they can theoretically ban your account with little to no reason given, showing how little they care about what you think you own.
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Man, one day you will discover sex in your life and you will read this your post laughing about how much importance you give to stupid things.
Just a question: if this new art were the original arts would have you been salty? Why are you not complaining about other card arts without blood and boobs?
If you are serious about accusing Blizzard for scamming, changes to card art and flavour text should be the last of your worries! Remember they also do things like nerfing a common to make 3 legendaries almost unplayable and introducing the standard format; gaining the right to regularly remove a huge chunk of your collection from the most important competetive way to play the game...
Okay. There's a flaw in your argument right off the bat.
There is literally no such fucking card game that DOESN'T have a standard rotating format. They've been around for decades and are a staple of card games in general.
The thing is though that they have all the right to make these changes. In their terms of service it is stated that the digital cards is in fact property of the company and that they are allowed to change as much as they want. When we are ”buying” pack we are in reality paying to borrow copies of the card and use them as much as we want.
You know, there are mods you can get where you can change the art you see on the cards. You could literally make every picture just straight up boobs if you wanted. Stop whining and just solve your own problems
One thing that WOULD be something they should do: provide full refund for golden versions. If you crafted one of the cards because you loved the art and animation, but don’t feel the same about the new art, then you should be able to get a full refund as Golden’s are expensive and you only craft the ones you really love. Other than that, not a big deal.
I guess the base of the comments here, arguing and mocking the original post are ages between 5 to 15..Cause i find no other meaning, to mock someone (eg.discover sex.. seriously dude, garbage teen humor) who is pissed off with censorship..If Blizz want to push this game to another customer base(underages or Chinese),it needs a clear statement,so customers could decide if they want to keep buying the product or not..Cause these changes are just the beginning and Blizz indirectly "telling us we can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." (as Mark Twain would put it) is lame..
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With all the controversy surrounding Blizzard/HS right now, which Im 100% againts them, there is something I want to talk about.
With the card changes, the arts, the flavours and the texts, something wasn't mentioned... FULL DUST REFUND! Yes, you've heard me. How in God's name didn't they gave the players the dust back regardless if it was golden or not? We are talking about purchasing (if you payed for the packs and got those cards), using dust to create normal and golden versions or simply getting them as rewards! And at the end, they changed the visual entirely which completely changes the perspective of the card!
Although its not nerfs that directly hits the game itself, it still is manipulation of what you own. Its your collection, the time and/or money you used to have those cards! And they, simply take them away and change them visually without any compensation, ITS A SCAM!
Imagine you buy a pack of cards you collect. You get this sweet looking card you always wanted because it looks cool. Now, that same company you bought the pack from, takes your card away and changes the art that you used to like, so some degraded looking art? How would you feel? You would ask for a return of the money right? But they deny it. So you wasted resources for something that was never going to be yours at the first place although it was stated it would be.
Hipocrisy:
Blizzard/Hearthstone, if you are aiming for more censorship to your game to appeal a small group of angry people at the internet and you want to make it look more friendly to kids... Why not change your store price systems? And create restrictions?
If you are so worried about "today standards" about sexy pics, violence and gore, why are you not worried about "childrean" (that you are now targeting it for with this changes) using money to buy your packs and deals?
You know why? Because you didn't really made this changes because you woke up one day and thought "this is bad!". You made them because you now prefer to follow the people who don't even care or play your game. But when it comes to money, you step back and let it still be as bad as it is. Locking portraits behind 80 dollars deals, insane prices for packs, etc.
You've a new low. You are on a life support Blizzard, just saying.
The end is coming!
I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend.
Dude it’s card art relax, it’s what blizzard as a company wants to do.
If you are serious about accusing Blizzard for scamming, changes to card art and flavour text should be the last of your worries! Remember they also do things like nerfing a common to make 3 legendaries almost unplayable and introducing the standard format; gaining the right to regularly remove a huge chunk of your collection from the most important competetive way to play the game...
Editor of the Heartpwn Legendary Crafting Guide:
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/205920-legendary-tier-list-crafting-guide
Dude, they just changed the card arts. For better or worse, changing the art has ZERO effect on gameplay.
Therefore Blizzard in reality owes you ZERO dust for the card changes. They only offer refunds for the cards that get nerfed in Mana or card effects get changed.
Believe me I share your frustration with their blatant and outright lies on this matter, that was a terrible PR post that us in the labor world call "lip service", were they just say something to shut up raging fans.
But snapping back at them blindly like this will get you no wear. Especially since Blizzard for the most part avoids hearthpwn anyways.
Trust me there are scams and lies being told but in this case dust has nothing to do with it. It's all china/pr nightmare nonsense that blizzard is trying to deal with as a company, we're (the player base) just the poor schmucks caught in the middle.
I find it so ridiculous that people want dust refunds for the changes, like the eviserate change literally just removed like 10 pixels of blood, mistress of pain still has the “sexualized” look, I think they changed succubus completely because it doesn’t really match a succubus to be overstated and discard a card.
While I disagree with the card art changes as well as the teams bullshit response on the matter, they backed themselves into this corner when they made the game rated 7+. Changes like this (however poorly implemented) were a long time coming.
As for the dust refunds, here's you Greedy Sprite
Nothing that has not been said so yeah they changed the cart art omg call the fbi.
It's.. it's.. just a card game.
Take it easy on the essays.
I see your point and I agree that since we 'own' these cards, if they are changed, taken, or affected without compensation or notification then it is wrong. I personally was upset because I think its a weak move and I liked the old art a lot.
You also have to be realistic. I don't think they handled it well but nothing in my gut clamored for a dust refund and I don't think it's called for.
I think scam is the wrong word, I think you might be looking for 'sham', to which I agree with you. The art change was a sham.
Where is my Tin Foil Hat when I read this?
Blizzard owns everything, we are just users of their system; pretty clear in the ToS as well. Remember they can theoretically ban your account with little to no reason given, showing how little they care about what you think you own.
If you thought you knew what you think I know, then you'd know I knew you knew I know.
this is bait
Man, one day you will discover sex in your life and you will read this your post laughing about how much importance you give to stupid things.
Just a question: if this new art were the original arts would have you been salty? Why are you not complaining about other card arts without blood and boobs?
Okay. There's a flaw in your argument right off the bat.
There is literally no such fucking card game that DOESN'T have a standard rotating format. They've been around for decades and are a staple of card games in general.
The thing is though that they have all the right to make these changes. In their terms of service it is stated that the digital cards is in fact property of the company and that they are allowed to change as much as they want. When we are ”buying” pack we are in reality paying to borrow copies of the card and use them as much as we want.
You know, there are mods you can get where you can change the art you see on the cards. You could literally make every picture just straight up boobs if you wanted. Stop whining and just solve your own problems
One thing that WOULD be something they should do: provide full refund for golden versions. If you crafted one of the cards because you loved the art and animation, but don’t feel the same about the new art, then you should be able to get a full refund as Golden’s are expensive and you only craft the ones you really love. Other than that, not a big deal.
I guess the base of the comments here, arguing and mocking the original post are ages between 5 to 15..Cause i find no other meaning, to mock someone (eg.discover sex.. seriously dude, garbage teen humor) who is pissed off with censorship..If Blizz want to push this game to another customer base(underages or Chinese),it needs a clear statement,so customers could decide if they want to keep buying the product or not..Cause these changes are just the beginning and Blizz indirectly "telling us we can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." (as Mark Twain would put it) is lame..