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    posted a message on How do you like the balance changes overall?

    I'm happy, but at the same time disappointed in the community. We got what we wanted, and then people instantly started crying for more nerfs. I seemingly have to repeat this again, hunter is NOT the issue. Sure, hunter is the most common, but that speaks nothing of it's power level. If you look at the stats, Deathstalker Rexxar is one of the worst performing deathknights, actually performing worse overall than Scourgelord Garrosh by 5%.

    Sadly this is how the community is and they never learn, generally speaking. The highlight of this was during the Jade Druid days.

    Players whined about Jade Druid, it got nerfed and then Razakus Priest was free to dominate, which players immediately complained about, which also brought about Tempo Rogue with Patches & Bonemare. Every single time the community complained they just got another deck to immediately replaced their old complaint. Players have this odd perception that complaining will prevent another deck from annoying them.

     Nice job omitting that Patches and Bonemare were broken beyond belief which was the real cause for the complaints...don't let the facts get in the way of your rambling, I'm sure your insight into how players complaining is directly related to hoping other decks get changed will take off, just keep posting the salt until you know nothing else, no need to bother with the actual game.

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    posted a message on Druid without even a tier 4 deck? Maly druid at 43% winrate?

    Too bad for all Druid players, you had more than a year of top tier experiences with Druid, the time has past, this is how Hearthstone works and you all know it; no Monarch lives forever.

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    posted a message on How do you like the balance changes overall?
    Quote from Meseta >>

    Crafted Captain Greenskin for the newly meta Kingsbane

    *wake up to nerfs*

    Thanks for making a deck meta for like a week and wasting my dust Blizzard.

     When you craft a Legend for 1 deck, and one deck only, if you didn't expect this would happen, or something similar, you're just out to lunch sir or ma'am.  Enjoy the Greenskin, he's a fun card that I hope you enjoy using.

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    posted a message on Card Nerf - Saronite Chain Gang
    Quote from Czhorat >>

    I think you can still manage infinite shudderwocks in standard.

    One coppertail imposter will give you stealth for one turn. Not much kills a 6 health stealth minion.

     

    Then you play grumble the next turn to get the 1 Mana shudderwock back. 1 Mana shudderwock gives you a 1 Mana grumble,and you can alternate them.

     If that's the new Shudderwock variation it'll completely fall off the map competitively, thus for the majority of the playerbase seeing it as deleted (for now).

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    posted a message on Card Nerf - Leeching Poison
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    Agreed. I just crafted both Doomerangs after having Kingsbane since KnC. I have also been collecting weapon buff cards in wild this whole time, only now to see my this deck get completely nerfed. *Sigh* Blizzard, please nerf your cards as soon as they're recognized as an issue, not until after I collect all the cards you'd put in a deck with it.

    The world doesn't revolve around you, bro, neither Blizzard's decisions.

     The game does revolve around its players, though. I Imagine there are a bunch of frustrated players after every major nerf, especially this one. Blizzard needs to change its policy and stop nerfing cards with such weird timings. I mean, all of these nerfs were discussed among the community even a year ago.

    Those frustrated players you talk about are the ones who have been ruining the gaming experience for many others with no mercy for a very long time. Seriously, watching this nerfs being implemented...

     Well, I agree with the nerfs. But the players are not the ones ruining the gaming experience, blizzard is to blame because they let the players abuse the broken mechanics for so long, even when they were aware of them. This isn't a cheap game and it's understandable to be frustrated when they suddenly decide to decrease the value of your decks.

     It's the classic victim shaming that Hearthstone fans unironically spout anytime a meta or deck becomes degenerate...don't blame the company who designed, playtested and released the cards, blame the poor sod's spending money to play a card game, in whatever manner that is.  Unfortunately, and offense specifically, but very few people who frequent this site have the perspective to realise this.  Easier to blame the simplest target than actually use your brain and be critical yet objective.  We do live in the era of the soundbite so there you go.

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    posted a message on Card Nerf - Leeching Poison
    Quote from FurthestBen >>

    If it affects the weapon it should heal every time you re-equip the weapon...though it very likely affects the hero considering blizzard and wording things has gone down the gutter recently.

    If it affects the weapon then it's not a bad nerf.

    If it doesn't affect the weapon and it's an aura for the hero...then I'm afraid the deck may be dead. If so, I demand a dust refund for kingsbane.

     Kingsbane  can have positive winrates in other decks without leeching poison, a dust refund makes no sense, it's your fault to play a card 1 dimensionally.

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    posted a message on Upcoming Hearthstone Balance Changes - Wild Growth, Nourish, Level Up!, Saronite Chain Gang, Leeching Poison

    Odd rogue has survived every meta, it'll be fine; remember there are more combo decks in Standard right now than ever before, if Odd Rogue is the go to aggro deck, it might see an influx.

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    posted a message on Card Nerf - Leeching Poison
    Quote from Warmingbird >>

    The new aggro Kingsbane decks shouldn't suffer too much (or at all) from this change, and the Wild "old" version will need to adapt to this nerf. Maybe it will open up the return of our good' old friend Antique Healbot ? Will be interesting to see.

     You're bang on, and mind you this is with limited and not specific data, but on hs.replay the aggro pirate version of kinsgbane (in wild) without leeching poison is only 2 percentage points lower in overall winrate.  I'm not saying this is empirical, but it's clear Kingsbane will be fine in some form.

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    posted a message on Card Nerf - Saronite Chain Gang

    This hurts Tempo rogue big time, which makes me sad since I enjoy the deck with lots of tech cards...that being said a turn 4 8/10 over 2 minions WITH taunt was busted, there's no doubt.  Might still play a 1 of since it's still higher above the curve than most interchangable 4 drops.

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    posted a message on Card Nerf - Leeching Poison
    Quote from James1 >>

    Actually i still think its Op in the long term 

    take doomerang. You hit with leeching weapon, doomerang. Heal 2 times, Next turn you can reequip and heal again, 

    This card aint going anywhere 

     We need confirmation on this, because I agree James1 if this is how it works it's still Wild viable, maybe not as high on the power tier level but viable.  If not, it's real questionable.  I suppose Reddit would be the quickest place to find an answer?  Anyone have any idea's?

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    posted a message on Upcoming Hearthstone Balance Changes - Wild Growth, Nourish, Level Up!, Saronite Chain Gang, Leeching Poison

    Druid nerfs?  Let's play some hearthstone ladies and gentleman, this could be a (slightly) new dawn...odd rogue is gonna still be brutal though.

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    posted a message on HS Future
    Quote from EpicAD>>

    And the fact that TBP and RR did not impact meta so much is a very good thing, because that means that their power level is just right. When year of the mammoth expansions rotate out, I'm pretty sure the game will become very different.

    So let me get this straight, having the meta stagnate because the last 2 sets (arguably last 3) have kept the game stuck in the same rut, and that's a GOOD thing?  Seems insane to me.  Unless you sadistically enjoy facing nothing but Odd Rogue/Paladin.

    Also want to address everyone hoping in the wishing well saying "well magically the meta will be fine even though Genn and Baku are still around, they won't be a problem because optimism".  The only route where that argument works if they lower the power even more for the next rotation year...which is the cause of the current issues to the game.  I don't understand the sense in simply hoping it'll be better without looking at EXACTLY how the game as evolved over the past year/6 months.  Being critical isn't being negative, but being oblivious helps no one, most certainly not new players who might believe you under false pretenses.

     

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    posted a message on New Hunter Hero Card Reveal - Zul'jin
    Quote from Wonderbuster >>

    This card is kinda iffy, if you want my honest opinion. The card literally means you can't put any burn in your deck (which means no Deadly Shot, Kill Command, Hunter's Mark, Flanking Strike, Powershot or Explosive Shot) and Tracking junks 4 of your cards when this arrives. It's like the worst aspects of Yogg-Saron and Grand Archivist, in that you have to pray the Trackings you played don't junk cards you needed, your burn spells don't end up killing something valuable on your board, and you have no control over the whole thing. I can understand, memewise, if the stars aligned and you luck out on an Animal Companion/To My Side/Call of the Wild wombo combo finisher, but with such a restrictive manner of playing, this card is unfortunately VERY niche and doesn't warrant a 10 mana cost or a targetable Hero Power. This is perhaps the WORST thing you could put in your Spell Hunter Deck (because so much shit could go wrong with it) and doesn't hold a candle to Rexxar. Hate to say it, but Hunter got screwed YET AGAIN and has to keep relying on face decks. Maybe this will find a use in a future meta, but right now, with all of Hunter's AOE's requiring targets sans Explosive Trap, Multi Shot and Crushing Walls, this is the wrong meta for Hunter to get such a restrictive card. This would have been better off on something like a Priest, Warrior or Mage, where you can control such a restriction many times improved.

     Now that we know what you said is 100% false, what do you think was the key for Zul'Jin being arguably the strongest card from RR?

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    posted a message on HS Future

    There's two huge flaws plaguing the game right now: overpowered sets (KotFT/K&K), and as you eloquently put, Odd and Even pushing everything out of the meta except for what is most obscenely broken.  However the easiest fix of simply deleting the offending Genn and Baku, Blizzard would essentially be admittting that they fail at balance on a momumental level (the meta since Boomsday to now is a joke for balance, and predictions based on current data show it'll get MUCH WORSE).  Honestly the game deserves this fate, when you don't consider the implications of VASTLY overpowered strategies that make much of everything ineffective (translation unplayable for competitive, period end of discussion), this is precisely what happens: hyper archetypes that leave little to nothing for nuance in the meta.  

    It will get worse before it get's better, the rotation will not fix the issues.  The game is in a very precarious state where many longtime players are seeing the inevitable approach, and asking themselves "do I want to keep playing the same thing for another year?"  That's a serious problem I see no solution to considering how the game is being structured and updated currently.

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    posted a message on Who's the Most Known User?

    the most arogant spoilt kids cant take comments without a nerd rage unless its to there liking grow up and fuck off. your rank 12 best ever with shit decks you made a dragon one and needed to be told to add netherspites i dont need to say more your bad.

    Whatever kind of person wrote this message, they are not deserving of any kind of praise or recognition.  If you think there is something redeeming in a person who would write this idioitc hate filled drivel, you need a serious lesson in basic maturity.  Lashing out at mods with infantile insults is more par for the course than what is suggested in opposition, fairly confident anyone with a functioning intellect can see this.

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