It is crystal clear some cards is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the balance now and need to be nerfed fast as possible.
Dr. Boom is too much powerful for only 7 manas, nothing compares, completely deny, outlast and outvalue everything, or remove, redesign your hero powers, the mech aura or the cost of the hero, the way he is now is insanely unfair, completely unbalanced and totally broken, many classes just can do nothing about it.
Omega Devastator is just insane, kill everything, with rush can deal alone with any mid board, the premium stats and the broken ability is out of question for the needed nerfs, increase the cost to 8 and remove mech tag, anything less is BS.
HoF Preparation, this should be done in the very first time they created the HoF.
Thanks, we didn't even notice those classes were good
There is no problem classes be good, shaman and mage have good decks, the problem is classes have unfair, unbalanced, totally broken decks what is the case for warrior and rogue.
Thanks, we didn't even notice those classes were good
There is no problem classes be good, shaman and mage have good decks, the problem is classes have unfair, unbalanced, totally broken decks what is the case for warrior and rogue.
I guess you didn't grasp the sarcasm lol by the way, I can't disagree: let's see what the developers want to do
I think if they tweak his Rush aura somehow to only work at certain times that might be fine. I think if rogue gets nerfed though you'll see control warrior fall off. That's why it's so popular is because it's the hard counter to rogue. If you're tired of Warrior play mech hunter. Both variants are good against the class. I prefer the Oblivitron version because I feel it fairs better against tempo rogue than the aggro version.
Is it? Rogue often shines at the start of rotation because it has insane classic and basic cards (prep, eviscerate, fan, cold blood, backstab, si7, Edwin) but it will cool off a bit in the next few weeks. I do agree Rogue is super tier 1 atm with Warrior close 2nd but I don't think they're as overpowered as for example Razakus Priest was or old cubelock.
If you really don't like playing against Warrior, there are many counters available now. Mech Hunter is pretty competitive and can win even against boom on 7. Mech paladin also beats warrior easily (but it's a bad deck against others). Then Rogue can beat any opponent honestly when they draw Myra's. Warrior also dies to extreme aggro sometimes and especially token druid which can soul of the forest you out of the game...
About rotating Preparation: you might have a point and I'm sure it is going to be done one day or another because it's such a strong card that it is always going to show up in most rogue decks and enables insane tempo plays but honestly right now it might be too big of a hit for Rogue. On the other hand nerfing Myra's (or rotating it) would be better because it would mean you can beat rogue if you run Valeera out of stuff (which now it's impossible).
I think there may be a quality of life buff in making Archivist 9 mana.
That would prevent the 50 and 60 card decks which are flirting with the turn limits in ladder games. And don't be pedantic; No one will run baleful banker on the off chance they can get the coin and hold it for 25 turns.
Dr. Boom is not the issue.
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The strongest classes right now, based on Winrate, are Druid and Hunter, not rogue and Warrior
Can you please show me where you found this idiocy? Please don't tell me something on the line of "HS Replay main page"
Why is it idiocy? It has the collected data of thousands of games, I feel as if it is far more trustworthy than someones personal opinion. Also, vS' recent data report also shows that Hunter is one of the best classes, not Warrior. Rogue is one of the best, I agree with that, but Warrior isn't. https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-128/
It is crystal clear some cards is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the balance now and need to be nerfed fast as possible.
Dr. Boom is too much powerful for only 7 manas, nothing compares, completely deny, outlast and outvalue everything, or remove, redesign your hero powers, the mech aura or the cost of the hero, the way he is now is insanely unfair, completely unbalanced and totally broken, many classes just can do nothing about it.
Omega Devastator is just insane, kill everything, with rush can deal alone with any mid board, the premium stats and the broken ability is out of question for the needed nerfs, increase the cost to 8 and remove mech tag, anything less is BS.
HoF Preparation, this should be done in the very first time they created the HoF.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, because people don't seem to get it, even someone with a Warrior profile picture, Warrior is not op. You can say he doesn't feel fun to play against or it feels too strong, but I ask you, what is fun to play against? Nothing, if you're losing. 6 classes have a deck which has a positive win rate against Bomb warrior, 6. Just because your deck isn't cutting it against Warrior, doesn't mean other decks aren't. Nothing that you listed as a complaint can be taken seriously, because Warrior is not one of the top classes right now. So it's very hard to see it as an issue.
The strongest classes right now, based on Winrate, are Druid and Hunter, not rogue and Warrior
Can you please show me where you found this idiocy? Please don't tell me something on the line of "HS Replay main page"
Why is it idiocy? It has the collected data of thousands of games, I feel as if it is far more trustworthy than someones personal opinion. Also, vS' recent data reaper report also shows that Hunter is one of the best classes, not Warrior. Rogue is one of the best, I agree with that, but Warrior isn't. https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-128/
It is an idiocy because you can't simply vomit numbers without an actual contextualization: HS Replay's front page shows each class' overall winrate, and not just a single archetype's one. What does it mean? It mean that if I want to play Silence Rogue on ladder (trash meme deck) or even a not optimized Rogue deck, my results will still count toward the determination of the class' winrate. Do you get now why I said it was a stupid thing?
I'm well aware of VS Meta Reports (I actually read them every Thursday) and I know that Hunter is rising in both popularity and winrate, but they also say that Druid is collapsing after the initial success (whining threads suddenly disappeared) and that Warrior (I don't know for how long, but still) keeps the silver medal.
Moreover, how can you question Rogue's crushing supremacy in this meta? You don't need data to understand that Rogue has the upper hand in 90% of the matchup these days.
In the end, that's my conclusion: internet is good, data is good, meta reports are great; just understand what they mean before using them as an argument in a discussion.
I really want to see Barnes, Lesser Diamond Spellstone, Kingsbane, Bloodbloom and even Blessing of Might get nerfed. Big Priest, Kingsbane Rogue, Darkest Hour Warlock, and Odd Paladin have been a good 90% of the decks I have been seeing in Wild right now. The noticeable trend is just high rolling and aggro, so regardless of which deck you lose to, it usually feels like you are being cheated. I would really like to see a decrease in the power level of these decks.
Proposed Nerfs:
Barnes: Either make it 5 mana or "Summon a 1/1 copy of a minion in your opponent's deck."
The strongest classes right now, based on Winrate, are Druid and Hunter, not rogue and Warrior
Can you please show me where you found this idiocy? Please don't tell me something on the line of "HS Replay main page"
Why is it idiocy? It has the collected data of thousands of games, I feel as if it is far more trustworthy than someones personal opinion. Also, vS' recent data reaper report also shows that Hunter is one of the best classes, not Warrior. Rogue is one of the best, I agree with that, but Warrior isn't. https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-128/
It is an idiocy because you can't simply vomit numbers without an actual contextualization: HS Replay's front page shows each class' overall winrate, and not just a single archetype's one. What does it mean? It mean that if I want to play Silence Rogue on ladder (trash meme deck) or even a not optimized Rogue deck, my results will still count toward the determination of the class' winrate. Do you get now why I said it was a stupid thing?
I'm well aware of VS Meta Reports (I actually read them every Thursday) and I know that Hunter is rising in both popularity and winrate, but they also say that Druid is collapsing after the initial success (whining threads suddenly disappeared) and that Warrior (I don't know for how long, but still) keeps the silver medal.
Moreover, how can you question Rogue's crushing supremacy in this meta? You don't need data to understand that Rogue has the upper hand in 90% of the matchup these days.
In the end, that's my conclusion: internet is good, data is good, meta reports are great; just understand what they mean before using them as an argument in a discussion.
If you play silence rogue, you will still get wins because of how insane rogues basic and classic set is. It may be a tad stupid system, but I feel as if it should have some attention paid to it.
Then you should know why saying Hunter is a top class, is not idiocy. Rogue currently has the best deck according to the reaper reports, with Hunter having the second best. In legend, Murloc shaman is currently performing better than Warrior, so Warrior doesn't even deserve a medal. The fourth best class/deck doesn't exactly scream to me "I need nerfing", not sure about you.
I didn't question Rogue's supremacy, Rogue is in a ridiculous place right now and has been for a very long time. Somehow tempo Rogue is more aggro than odd Rogue. Not sure why the original responder claimed Rogue was bad.
Maybe they should make the Rush aura from Dr. Boom one of his cycling hero powers instead of a constant effect. That way it only comes up periodically and doesn't happen the same turn as his discover ability.
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It is crystal clear some cards is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the balance now and need to be nerfed fast as possible.
Dr. Boom is too much powerful for only 7 manas, nothing compares, completely deny, outlast and outvalue everything, or remove, redesign your hero powers, the mech aura or the cost of the hero, the way he is now is insanely unfair, completely unbalanced and totally broken, many classes just can do nothing about it.
Omega Devastator is just insane, kill everything, with rush can deal alone with any mid board, the premium stats and the broken ability is out of question for the needed nerfs, increase the cost to 8 and remove mech tag, anything less is BS.
HoF Preparation, this should be done in the very first time they created the HoF.
Thanks, we didn't even notice those classes were good
There is no problem classes be good, shaman and mage have good decks, the problem is classes have unfair, unbalanced, totally broken decks what is the case for warrior and rogue.
I guess you didn't grasp the sarcasm lol by the way, I can't disagree: let's see what the developers want to do
I think if they tweak his Rush aura somehow to only work at certain times that might be fine. I think if rogue gets nerfed though you'll see control warrior fall off. That's why it's so popular is because it's the hard counter to rogue. If you're tired of Warrior play mech hunter. Both variants are good against the class. I prefer the Oblivitron version because I feel it fairs better against tempo rogue than the aggro version.
imo dr boom dk is balanced since the hero powers are very random
omega devastator is fine but maybe remove its mech tag somehow if possible
some type of prep/raiding party change is necessary tho
Is it? Rogue often shines at the start of rotation because it has insane classic and basic cards (prep, eviscerate, fan, cold blood, backstab, si7, Edwin) but it will cool off a bit in the next few weeks. I do agree Rogue is super tier 1 atm with Warrior close 2nd but I don't think they're as overpowered as for example Razakus Priest was or old cubelock.
If you really don't like playing against Warrior, there are many counters available now. Mech Hunter is pretty competitive and can win even against boom on 7. Mech paladin also beats warrior easily (but it's a bad deck against others). Then Rogue can beat any opponent honestly when they draw Myra's. Warrior also dies to extreme aggro sometimes and especially token druid which can soul of the forest you out of the game...
About rotating Preparation: you might have a point and I'm sure it is going to be done one day or another because it's such a strong card that it is always going to show up in most rogue decks and enables insane tempo plays but honestly right now it might be too big of a hit for Rogue. On the other hand nerfing Myra's (or rotating it) would be better because it would mean you can beat rogue if you run Valeera out of stuff (which now it's impossible).
Time to nerf every class, except my favorite one. Kappa.
I think there may be a quality of life buff in making Archivist 9 mana.
That would prevent the 50 and 60 card decks which are flirting with the turn limits in ladder games. And don't be pedantic; No one will run baleful banker on the off chance they can get the coin and hold it for 25 turns.
Dr. Boom is not the issue.
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The strongest classes right now, based on Winrate, are Druid and Hunter, not rogue and Warrior
Can you please show me where you found this idiocy? Please don't tell me something on the line of "HS Replay main page"
I assume that is exactly where he got it from. I see it posted a lot here.
It's a common misconception on these forums that hsreplay's overall winrates reflect the actual best decks.
Why is it idiocy? It has the collected data of thousands of games, I feel as if it is far more trustworthy than someones personal opinion. Also, vS' recent data report also shows that Hunter is one of the best classes, not Warrior. Rogue is one of the best, I agree with that, but Warrior isn't. https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-128/
I've said it before and I'll say it again, because people don't seem to get it, even someone with a Warrior profile picture, Warrior is not op. You can say he doesn't feel fun to play against or it feels too strong, but I ask you, what is fun to play against? Nothing, if you're losing. 6 classes have a deck which has a positive win rate against Bomb warrior, 6. Just because your deck isn't cutting it against Warrior, doesn't mean other decks aren't. Nothing that you listed as a complaint can be taken seriously, because Warrior is not one of the top classes right now. So it's very hard to see it as an issue.
Im just gonna sit in a corner with my control shammy that contests both
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Kobolds are almost as bad as goblins, they gotta die (⌐■_■)–︻╦╤─
Play secret Hunter and watch them cry.
I really want to see Barnes, Lesser Diamond Spellstone, Kingsbane, Bloodbloom and even Blessing of Might get nerfed. Big Priest, Kingsbane Rogue, Darkest Hour Warlock, and Odd Paladin have been a good 90% of the decks I have been seeing in Wild right now. The noticeable trend is just high rolling and aggro, so regardless of which deck you lose to, it usually feels like you are being cheated. I would really like to see a decrease in the power level of these decks.
Proposed Nerfs:
Barnes: Either make it 5 mana or "Summon a 1/1 copy of a minion in your opponent's deck."
Lesser Diamond Spellstone: Make it 5 spells to upgrade.
Kingsbane: With this now being a Wild exclusive card, it has access to all sorts of way to buff and grab it from your deck. Make it a 1/2 weapon.
Bloodbloom: Either make it 3 mana or cap the spell cost it can make possible to play.
Blessing of Might: Give it the Cold Blood treatment.
Hey OP, you missed the thread :)
No problem, but next time please just post your stupid comments here: https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/212005-group-therapy-need-to-blow-off-steam-mega-salty
Thanks
If you play silence rogue, you will still get wins because of how insane rogues basic and classic set is. It may be a tad stupid system, but I feel as if it should have some attention paid to it.
Then you should know why saying Hunter is a top class, is not idiocy. Rogue currently has the best deck according to the reaper reports, with Hunter having the second best. In legend, Murloc shaman is currently performing better than Warrior, so Warrior doesn't even deserve a medal. The fourth best class/deck doesn't exactly scream to me "I need nerfing", not sure about you.
I didn't question Rogue's supremacy, Rogue is in a ridiculous place right now and has been for a very long time. Somehow tempo Rogue is more aggro than odd Rogue. Not sure why the original responder claimed Rogue was bad.
Maybe they should make the Rush aura from Dr. Boom one of his cycling hero powers instead of a constant effect. That way it only comes up periodically and doesn't happen the same turn as his discover ability.