I'm not gonna give my main opinion yet, just want to ask you guys.Here is a tiny sample of what I do think but not the main reasons I think ppl are leaving. Is this the same game it used to be. If you really think about it, any other company was doing business like they treat their customers they wouldnt be in business very long. When it cost 1600 to create a legendary and then you only get 400 back, which the real reason is to make you have to, or strongly motivate you to buy more packs to get what you want. Why was there not a uproar when they said no more adventures= no more free legendaries guys.
Well Lifecoach one of the most consistent HS pros left already, who will be next? Prob wont see any of the Pros who cast for blizzard ever really tell the truth on things or ever say anything negative ..well because they are employee's and their future casting income would be affected.
Not to say the game is in perfect health, but Lifecoach leaving has literally nothing to do with the current state of the game. He saw that he did not like the way the game was changing and took the opportunity to jump ship to another card game. As for no more adventures, people did complain a lot. The whole F2P argument of the game being too expensive can be a valid point, but given the fact that most decks don't really need that many legendaries and with many of them using the same broken epics, this isn't really a huge issue either.
Yes there is a gap between how Blizzard treats their customers, but I don't think you can really credit the state of the game to just how the PR department has been doing their job.
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I don't have something witty about this deck, I just like it because Malygos is fun.
Yeah the real reasons i think ppl are quiting is RNG and some of the most bs cards ever printed in the last three sets. The decks are starting to play themselves and more and more BS cards are being printed.
quoting lifecoach and why he left in his pcgamer article:
And at the moment, talking about competitive Hearthstone, the question is always when can you call a game competitive? If you can achieve a 1% edge, then it's kind of coin-flipping. So I think there's no disagreement in that if you have a game, and the best players of the world can only play at 1% better than an average player, then it's a pure gamble and it really has nothing to do with competitiveness at all. And while I'm not saying that Hearthstone is at 1% at the moment, [the percentage] is way too low.
I always wonder why people find it odd that some pros move to another games, it’s kind of like changing jobs, some people will be there forever and some people look for new challenges or experiences, that’s all.
I really think this is Blizzard, they want to have a esport, but then only cater to the casual base, not the competive base. RNG cards are fun for casuals, but terrible for esports. The game is RNG enough because it's a 30 card, card game in the first place. Blizzard is great at selling games terrible at running them.
Lifecoach left more than a year ago so nothing new about him. Other "pros" won't follow and you know why? Lifecoach is a millionaire and can do whatever he wants. Other streamers have nothing else than hearthstone in their life and they will still beg for donations in their streams.
When I watched League of Legends championships, some teams and players were very consistent at being among the top of the best for many years.
Meanwhile in HS this seems really different. World champions like Pavel are barely playing. Firebat mostly streams ladder and doesn't seem to be competing either? Saw Tom60229 play in Bangcok only (and he played pretty badly). Nothing of Frozen.
On LoL you could easily and frequently see the top players and teams. Names like Faker and a lot of others were always well-known. On HS I never saw this consistency. New faces and players pop on championships everywhere and casters keep trying to sell them but it never builds a connection and "brand" like it does in LOL. I think the only player I consistently saw in tournaments was Muzzy. And in large HCTs, where you can't stream every possible game, even him is barely shown.
I watch almost every professional Dota 2 match there is. Everything about the scene is exhilarating. From the players, the teams, the casters, the talent, the community members, the prize pools, the production value, the compendiums, the constant changes to the meta, to all the memes that have sprung forth over the years... everything is boiled down to complete and utter passion for the game.
You don't have to take my words for it, but I know what the true esports experience is supposed to look and feel like as a spectator. So many other games, so many other companies do it all wrong. To say the least, despite how good of a game Hearthstone is, its competitive scene is an embarrassment to esports. No offense, but anybody that claims to have a passion for video games and wants to go "pro" while they ladder for 12 hours a day practicing aggro vs aggro match ups all month long so that they can maintain a decent ladder finish honestly makes me laugh.
When I talk about the passion that circulates around Dota 2, I'm talking about underdog stories of teenagers starving in third world countries winning million dollar prize pools so that they can take care of their families. I'm talking about misrepresented people in the middle east and Europe dispelling prejudices about the gaming community, making national headlines, meeting with their parliament, and bringing honor to their home countries. I'm talking about people that have dedicated almost 2 decades of their life to learn and understand the moba and rts genres since the WC1 days so that they can one day make it all worth it and their fans proud.
When I think of the competitive scene in Hearthstone, I think of people in their 20's dropping out of school so that they can compete in a digital card game; which btw is 0 fun to watch considering the bullshit aspects of the game, not to mention how everyone tryhards with netdecks playing matchups that we've seen a hundred times over in our own Hearthstone clients. Littered throughout twitch I see Hearthstone tournament participants, top ladder finishers, "pros" streaming their game play to perhaps a couple hundred or less people. I'd honestly rather watch a personality with emotion like Kripp babyrage or 4 head whenever he screws around having fun doing whatever he wants than someone in monotone explaining to their audience how going face while playing an aggro deck is the right play as if their stream, commentary, or casting has any value.
My honest opinion is that professional Hearthstone is just way too easy to pick up, learn, and compete in which makes the entire scene far too unremarkable and also almost entirely unwatchable since the game often just plays itself out with 0 action and upwards of around 80% downtime thinking of what to do on your turn.
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Hey all F2P players out there! Try out my 100% free deck before trying to call this game pay to win!!!
I don't think Pros are leaving for cost of cards ..obviously not. But it does show Blizzard does not even value their customers, how they are all screwing us over more and more every year. There casters even wear the same shirts ! I have seen even HS casters wearing the exact same shirt a league caster was wearing last week! I really think have a shirt box the casters have to pick from, or maybe they all fight for the best shirts.
Did somebody really just assume the cost of a game to be the reason a pro players, who earns money with the game, is leaving?
Like those who have so much dust and gold and everything in this game just from playing it?
Yes, that's absolutely the reason players leave :D The game is not casual enough.
The gaming industry community sucks that hard, heck why something garbage like Fortnite is topping everything right now. Casual Gameplay, Casual in-Game depths, free to play, brainless gameplay.
This is kind of a late post, since Lifecoach already left the game around a year ago. Professional players leave games for other games all the time, and a lot of factors can cause this. For example, a lot of old CS 1.6 players played a bit of CS GO at the start of the game, but then left when they realized they didn't like the game as much, or just weren't as good at it(an easy example is someone like fRoD, who was one of the best AWP'ers in 1.6, and barely did anything in CS GO, and then moved on to Overwatch).
In the case of Hearthstone in particular, I think it's a ROI thing. Hearthstone was not designed to be a competitive game(even though quite a lot of people like to pretend it was), Blizzard even said it when the game was released. If you play HS as a competitive gamer, you will run into the issue of being the most skilled/most hardworking player in the tournament, and still not win it (and sometimes not even make it out of the group stage) quite a lot compared to other e-sports. This means HS is just not a reliable source of income for competitive players compared to other games. People who actually make a living off HS usually do so by streaming/content creation or by being casters in tournies. Few if any actually do so by just playing the game in tournaments.
Lifecoach even said this was the main reason why he was quitting the game, he simply believes Gwent is a better game, because you can actually learn something from your losses, and the room for improvement as a player is way bigger. Plus, the most skilled player usually wins the game, as opposed to HS where if you pit the average legend player against someone like Ostkaka(who is arguably just the best player of all time in HS) he still has around 30% chance to win, which is kind of ridiculous when you compare the chance of the average global elite team beating someone like Fnatic in CS GO, or a decent online LoL player beating a Korean pro(which is basically 0).
Anyway, the bottom line is, HS is a pretty poor choice of a game if you want to actually make a living as a competitive gamer(to be fair, most games are if you don't live in Korea, but HS is just even worse). If you just want to play games for fun, or play the odd 30 euro tournament for fun, HS is totally fine as it is. Blizzard has made a lot of mistakes designing the game in the past, in both the casual and competitive side. But the game is still perfectly enjoyable as it is, provided you don't take it too seriously.
Most of the HS streamers would probably leave this game if they could keep their viewership up. The thing is, Hearthstone is a simple game to follow and easy on the eyes, the perfect streamer game.
Also, talking down on Stan is pretty pathetic, he's the #1 ranked player currently.
I'm not gonna give my main opinion yet, just want to ask you guys.Here is a tiny sample of what I do think but not the main reasons I think ppl are leaving. Is this the same game it used to be. If you really think about it, any other company was doing business like they treat their customers they wouldnt be in business very long. When it cost 1600 to create a legendary and then you only get 400 back, which the real reason is to make you have to, or strongly motivate you to buy more packs to get what you want. Why was there not a uproar when they said no more adventures= no more free legendaries guys.
Well Lifecoach one of the most consistent HS pros left already, who will be next? Prob wont see any of the Pros who cast for blizzard ever really tell the truth on things or ever say anything negative ..well because they are employee's and their future casting income would be affected.
I mostly play for fun, I love World of Warcraft lore.
Not to say the game is in perfect health, but Lifecoach leaving has literally nothing to do with the current state of the game. He saw that he did not like the way the game was changing and took the opportunity to jump ship to another card game. As for no more adventures, people did complain a lot. The whole F2P argument of the game being too expensive can be a valid point, but given the fact that most decks don't really need that many legendaries and with many of them using the same broken epics, this isn't really a huge issue either.
Yes there is a gap between how Blizzard treats their customers, but I don't think you can really credit the state of the game to just how the PR department has been doing their job.
I don't have something witty about this deck, I just like it because Malygos is fun.
Yeah the real reasons i think ppl are quiting is RNG and some of the most bs cards ever printed in the last three sets. The decks are starting to play themselves and more and more BS cards are being printed.
quoting lifecoach and why he left in his pcgamer article:
And at the moment, talking about competitive Hearthstone, the question is always when can you call a game competitive? If you can achieve a 1% edge, then it's kind of coin-flipping. So I think there's no disagreement in that if you have a game, and the best players of the world can only play at 1% better than an average player, then it's a pure gamble and it really has nothing to do with competitiveness at all. And while I'm not saying that Hearthstone is at 1% at the moment, [the percentage] is way too low.
I always wonder why people find it odd that some pros move to another games, it’s kind of like changing jobs, some people will be there forever and some people look for new challenges or experiences, that’s all.
I really think this is Blizzard, they want to have a esport, but then only cater to the casual base, not the competive base. RNG cards are fun for casuals, but terrible for esports. The game is RNG enough because it's a 30 card, card game in the first place. Blizzard is great at selling games terrible at running them.
Lifecoach left more than a year ago so nothing new about him. Other "pros" won't follow and you know why? Lifecoach is a millionaire and can do whatever he wants. Other streamers have nothing else than hearthstone in their life and they will still beg for donations in their streams.
Pros are not leaving because of the cost. You don't become a pro, unless you can afford most of the collection.
I would would quit within the week if my job was to just play hearthstone for hours every single day.
Unpopular opinion: Rogue is OP
It's an interesting topic.
When I watched League of Legends championships, some teams and players were very consistent at being among the top of the best for many years.
Meanwhile in HS this seems really different. World champions like Pavel are barely playing. Firebat mostly streams ladder and doesn't seem to be competing either? Saw Tom60229 play in Bangcok only (and he played pretty badly). Nothing of Frozen.
On LoL you could easily and frequently see the top players and teams. Names like Faker and a lot of others were always well-known. On HS I never saw this consistency. New faces and players pop on championships everywhere and casters keep trying to sell them but it never builds a connection and "brand" like it does in LOL. I think the only player I consistently saw in tournaments was Muzzy. And in large HCTs, where you can't stream every possible game, even him is barely shown.
Not just the pros leaving. The game will look very different in a year.
Free to try and find a game, dealing cards for sorrow, cards for pain.
I dont think the cost of Hearthstone is going to be the reason why a pro or streamer will quit the game lol
I watch almost every professional Dota 2 match there is. Everything about the scene is exhilarating. From the players, the teams, the casters, the talent, the community members, the prize pools, the production value, the compendiums, the constant changes to the meta, to all the memes that have sprung forth over the years... everything is boiled down to complete and utter passion for the game.
You don't have to take my words for it, but I know what the true esports experience is supposed to look and feel like as a spectator. So many other games, so many other companies do it all wrong. To say the least, despite how good of a game Hearthstone is, its competitive scene is an embarrassment to esports. No offense, but anybody that claims to have a passion for video games and wants to go "pro" while they ladder for 12 hours a day practicing aggro vs aggro match ups all month long so that they can maintain a decent ladder finish honestly makes me laugh.
When I talk about the passion that circulates around Dota 2, I'm talking about underdog stories of teenagers starving in third world countries winning million dollar prize pools so that they can take care of their families. I'm talking about misrepresented people in the middle east and Europe dispelling prejudices about the gaming community, making national headlines, meeting with their parliament, and bringing honor to their home countries. I'm talking about people that have dedicated almost 2 decades of their life to learn and understand the moba and rts genres since the WC1 days so that they can one day make it all worth it and their fans proud.
When I think of the competitive scene in Hearthstone, I think of people in their 20's dropping out of school so that they can compete in a digital card game; which btw is 0 fun to watch considering the bullshit aspects of the game, not to mention how everyone tryhards with netdecks playing matchups that we've seen a hundred times over in our own Hearthstone clients. Littered throughout twitch I see Hearthstone tournament participants, top ladder finishers, "pros" streaming their game play to perhaps a couple hundred or less people. I'd honestly rather watch a personality with emotion like Kripp babyrage or 4 head whenever he screws around having fun doing whatever he wants than someone in monotone explaining to their audience how going face while playing an aggro deck is the right play as if their stream, commentary, or casting has any value.
My honest opinion is that professional Hearthstone is just way too easy to pick up, learn, and compete in which makes the entire scene far too unremarkable and also almost entirely unwatchable since the game often just plays itself out with 0 action and upwards of around 80% downtime thinking of what to do on your turn.
Hey all F2P players out there! Try out my 100% free deck before trying to call this game pay to win!!!
I don't think Pros are leaving for cost of cards ..obviously not. But it does show Blizzard does not even value their customers, how they are all screwing us over more and more every year. There casters even wear the same shirts ! I have seen even HS casters wearing the exact same shirt a league caster was wearing last week! I really think have a shirt box the casters have to pick from, or maybe they all fight for the best shirts.
Good,it's not like i care.
I'll keep playing this game.
A card collection oriented game being pricey?! Wow dude, how incredible is that? Surely the first time it happens!
Did somebody really just assume the cost of a game to be the reason a pro players, who earns money with the game, is leaving?
Like those who have so much dust and gold and everything in this game just from playing it?
Yes, that's absolutely the reason players leave :D
The game is not casual enough.
The gaming industry community sucks that hard, heck why something garbage like Fortnite is topping everything right now. Casual Gameplay, Casual in-Game depths, free to play, brainless gameplay.
Bad enough the casual gaming took over.
WOW. One pro player quit the game. ONE!!!
Never mind he tried super hard to qualify for HCT and crapped out.
Never mind he got offered a deal by some other gaming company.
One whole player. What a trend.
This is kind of a late post, since Lifecoach already left the game around a year ago. Professional players leave games for other games all the time, and a lot of factors can cause this. For example, a lot of old CS 1.6 players played a bit of CS GO at the start of the game, but then left when they realized they didn't like the game as much, or just weren't as good at it(an easy example is someone like fRoD, who was one of the best AWP'ers in 1.6, and barely did anything in CS GO, and then moved on to Overwatch).
In the case of Hearthstone in particular, I think it's a ROI thing. Hearthstone was not designed to be a competitive game(even though quite a lot of people like to pretend it was), Blizzard even said it when the game was released. If you play HS as a competitive gamer, you will run into the issue of being the most skilled/most hardworking player in the tournament, and still not win it (and sometimes not even make it out of the group stage) quite a lot compared to other e-sports. This means HS is just not a reliable source of income for competitive players compared to other games. People who actually make a living off HS usually do so by streaming/content creation or by being casters in tournies. Few if any actually do so by just playing the game in tournaments.
Lifecoach even said this was the main reason why he was quitting the game, he simply believes Gwent is a better game, because you can actually learn something from your losses, and the room for improvement as a player is way bigger. Plus, the most skilled player usually wins the game, as opposed to HS where if you pit the average legend player against someone like Ostkaka(who is arguably just the best player of all time in HS) he still has around 30% chance to win, which is kind of ridiculous when you compare the chance of the average global elite team beating someone like Fnatic in CS GO, or a decent online LoL player beating a Korean pro(which is basically 0).
Anyway, the bottom line is, HS is a pretty poor choice of a game if you want to actually make a living as a competitive gamer(to be fair, most games are if you don't live in Korea, but HS is just even worse). If you just want to play games for fun, or play the odd 30 euro tournament for fun, HS is totally fine as it is. Blizzard has made a lot of mistakes designing the game in the past, in both the casual and competitive side. But the game is still perfectly enjoyable as it is, provided you don't take it too seriously.
Most of the HS streamers would probably leave this game if they could keep their viewership up. The thing is, Hearthstone is a simple game to follow and easy on the eyes, the perfect streamer game.
Also, talking down on Stan is pretty pathetic, he's the #1 ranked player currently.