The new ladder system might attract more people from Casual to Ranked, let's just hope for that. Sorry to hear your girlfriend's experience, and props to you for being a nice guy!
The new ladder system might attract more people from Casual to Ranked, let's just hope for that. Sorry to hear your girlfriend's experience, and props to you for being a nice guy!
Thanks man! She is having some fun when you take those occurrences out, so that's good. Hoping to see more people in ranked once those changes hit too.
What destroys the Casual game experience furthermore is that people (me included) just go there to fulfill annoying quests like play murlocs, play small minions, play class cards of classes I don't play on ranked and so on.
This makes people go to Casual play decks filled with whatever you have to play and concede after playing a decent number.
What the hell? Why do people feel the need to justify their losses in ranked by playing casual, with tier 1 decks? This is ********. Btw, this is the experience everyone has when they start out. This is just NOT right and I don't care what anyone says.
This is one of the reason we need a new format - restricted, which would change i.e. each week. So that there are very little netdecking in the first days, where people are trying new decks. I.e. this week rule could be "1 epic max, 1 legendary max, 10 rare max", next week "no dupes, banned DKs, only two last sets allowed", etc.
This is the same reason I hate standard and opt out to play mostly arena.
In that case, why don't you be a good boyfriend and play friendly matches with her using non meta decks. I'm sure she would be very happy about it. And don't worry, Blizzard won't punish you for playing fun decks. They will actually be happy to see that you're playing their game and finding solutions, that way, they can focus more on designing great cards like Patches and Corridor Creeper.
META decks "kill" all other already released cards in the game and create a boring game without much deck experimenting/building. We need a new mode with the new ladder that is coming later in 2018, which would:
- Match players with OFF-META decks against others with such
- Give an option for a class/card ban
Explanation: A deck has 30 cards. Each card has a percent of usage in the last 24 hours. Your deck is considered a META one if the sum of the percent of usage from your cards goes above a certain number. In this case you will be matched against another META deck.
Recently, my girlfriend got into Hearthstone which was probably inevitable seeing how into it I've been for quite long. She started playing with her girlfriends, practicing and whatnot. I made a couple of decks for her (as she did not really want to play in my account so early on as I already have everything and she thinks she'd be missing half the fun collecting, oh if she only knew). I helped her through the initial tutorial and then I helped her grasp some of the main mechanics etc.
After a couple of days, she, you know, ranked up a little bit to like rank 23-22 and I would help her make some plays from time to time. Anyway, she decided to move to casual for a couple of weeks to really understand the different archetypes, level up a couple of heroes etc.
Sup bro.
Same happened to me and my gf. She started watching me playing (a lot of jade druid, miracle rogue and murlocadin), she forced herself to understand different playstyles before trying fo play a match.
So she strongly wanted me to build a deck on her own new account, on july I built her face hunter. Cheap, easy and solid.
She played a lot, getting over 20k dust without spend money. On december after k&c came out, she felt to step into next level. She watched some HCT match to understand how balance works between top tier decks. On january she finally built tempo rogue, spiteful priest, aggro druid and started ranked season, finishing rank 8. Now she make some pretty solid plays doing A lot of play-around and value moves.
After the nerf all of her decks got corrupted and now I want to help her craft some new one... But im confused about the meta.
I hate all of theese cube/cntrl warlocks and she hates them too. So we are looking for some different top tier deck to build.
Arena is the way to compete on equal basis and build your collection, ranked and casual are used to complete quests so i wouldn´t recommend that for any new player.
Also first let her complete everything that can be done vs AI (quests and adventures) to further build her collection.
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THIS is what hearthstone needs. The new player experience is very bad and classic hearthstone would really improve the situation. You see, the set's point was to INTRODUCE Hearthstone to everyone when the game launched so I don't get why new players now don't get to play this format. Current Hearthstone modes are designed to suit old players and that's fine but new players need a way of playing that isn't unfair for them and this would solve the problem perfectly while allowing older players to remember how hearthstone was in the past and take a break from the other formats.
Keep in mind to be annoyed with the system and not the players..
As a father to a 4 weeks old child, I have in recent times played a lot of casual with tier 1-2 decks. I don't have infinite time to play ranked anymore with losses from having to put the phone down in the middle of the games. I still want my gold from daily quests so the obvious answer is playing casual with either highly tailored decks or tier 1 if it is win x games with y class. I currently have a warlock deck with only demons and a little draw, a useless shaman deck with tons of overload cards, all in the name of completing quests :D
So please remember that the real problem is the way ladder / casual mmr / quests work and not the people trying to "take advantage" of the system. It annoys me playing vs tier1 decks in casual when I just want to have fun. Does not help with the f2p players grinding their 30 daily wins in causual with tier1 aggro decks either (personal oppinion).
You played casual with tier 1-2 decks and get annoyed when you face tier 1 decks???? Really?
Ben Brode himself mentioned recently in a interview that no matter what you play,no matter how good or bad you are, eventually the mmr system in casual will get you to a 50% winrate!
You sir, won the internet. Very good idea, would appreciate that! Especially since it's the biggest and an evergreen set, thus every new players first goal is to expand their Classic collection. Remember the Brawl where you could play nothing but Classic commons/rares? It kinda reminded me how it felt playing HS back when being a newbie.
Recently, my girlfriend got into Hearthstone which was probably inevitable seeing how into it I've been for quite long. She started playing with her girlfriends, practicing and whatnot. I made a couple of decks for her (as she did not really want to play in my account so early on as I already have everything and she thinks she'd be missing half the fun collecting, oh if she only knew). I helped her through the initial tutorial and then I helped her grasp some of the main mechanics etc.
After a couple of days, she, you know, ranked up a little bit to like rank 23-22 and I would help her make some plays from time to time. Anyway, she decided to move to casual for a couple of weeks to really understand the different archetypes, level up a couple of heroes etc.
Sup bro.
Same happened to me and my gf. She started watching me playing (a lot of jade druid, miracle rogue and murlocadin), she forced herself to understand different playstyles before trying fo play a match.
So she strongly wanted me to build a deck on her own new account, on july I built her face hunter. Cheap, easy and solid.
She played a lot, getting over 20k dust without spend money. On december after k&c came out, she felt to step into next level. She watched some HCT match to understand how balance works between top tier decks. On january she finally built tempo rogue, spiteful priest, aggro druid and started ranked season, finishing rank 8. Now she make some pretty solid plays doing A lot of play-around and value moves.
After the nerf all of her decks got corrupted and now I want to help her craft some new one... But im confused about the meta.
I hate all of theese cube/cntrl warlocks and she hates them too. So we are looking for some different top tier deck to build.
20k dust after 6 months? That sounds like a lot. Could you share some details?
Between Welcome Bundle, accumulating enough to get guaranteed legendary in the first 10 packs of each set and some lucky pulls in these three months, I think if I dusted everything I would barely get 5k.
Recently, my girlfriend got into Hearthstone which was probably inevitable seeing how into it I've been for quite long. She started playing with her girlfriends, practicing and whatnot. I made a couple of decks for her (as she did not really want to play in my account so early on as I already have everything and she thinks she'd be missing half the fun collecting, oh if she only knew). I helped her through the initial tutorial and then I helped her grasp some of the main mechanics etc.
After a couple of days, she, you know, ranked up a little bit to like rank 23-22 and I would help her make some plays from time to time. Anyway, she decided to move to casual for a couple of weeks to really understand the different archetypes, level up a couple of heroes etc.
Sup bro.
Same happened to me and my gf. She started watching me playing (a lot of jade druid, miracle rogue and murlocadin), she forced herself to understand different playstyles before trying fo play a match.
So she strongly wanted me to build a deck on her own new account, on july I built her face hunter. Cheap, easy and solid.
She played a lot, getting over 20k dust without spend money. On december after k&c came out, she felt to step into next level. She watched some HCT match to understand how balance works between top tier decks. On january she finally built tempo rogue, spiteful priest, aggro druid and started ranked season, finishing rank 8. Now she make some pretty solid plays doing A lot of play-around and value moves.
After the nerf all of her decks got corrupted and now I want to help her craft some new one... But im confused about the meta.
I hate all of theese cube/cntrl warlocks and she hates them too. So we are looking for some different top tier deck to build.
20k dust after 6 months? That sounds like a lot. Could you share some details?
Between Welcome Bundle, accumulating enough to get guaranteed legendary in the first 10 packs of each set and some lucky pulls in these three months, I think if I dusted everything I would barely get 5k.
She farmed all the gold during summer exp festivals, used it to buy 50+ frozen throne packs. She have done the same for kobolds...
Disenchanted every class card outside the hunter, 2 golden legendary also. She had 10k on october, thn i preordered 2x kobolds to gift her one . She opened more packs than me lol
I don't think it's fair to summarize new players experience looking at just your girlfriend's situation. Do not underestimate your influence: you helped to understand basics much quicker and you helped to build a viable starter deck. As a result her MMR is higher than average and she met stronger opponents earlier than it would normally happen.
I'm kinda in the same position: my wife started playing HS just a few days ago. I helped her to build a decent basic/common tempo mage deck to start with and explained her how to trade effeciently etc. As a reult she stomped all other noobs in casual in her first ~10 games. We'll see how it will go after 20-25 wins.
However, I also don't quite get how matchmaking works: out of those 10 opponents one was an almost 100% meta jade druid with UI, spreading plague etc. She was lucky to beat him with a top-deck fireball.
I have a second account which I created for the Mrrgl hero portrait, but I then ended up playing on it a few times a week for the heck of it. Playing ranked is terrible with a starter account, and Blizzard knows it, and hopefully the upcoming change to ranked play will help. I was lucky enough to pull a Aya Blackpaw so was able to build a budget Jade deck that was good enough to get to rank 20 each month.
However, playing casual, the MMR system does work and was able to pit me against similar players in terms of card pool. Now, maybe I don't play enough on this account to get my MMR up high, but I only occasionally found tier-1 decks in my experience. But do remember that if you have a weak collection but know how to play well, you'll end up facing bad players with tier-1 decks since you'll steamroll the newer players, even with a bad deck.
I don't normally play casual but pulled a shaman quest, so I figured let's get it done. I've never seen so much BM from opponents, and shaman isn't even a good class. Nothing but roping or spamming emotes. Clearly that little pond is hiding some bottom feeders. I guess casual means animosity in Hearthstone speak.
People playing tier 1 decks in casual and even casual wild need to neck themselves. "Deck testing" isn't an excuse
why?
becuase if are crafting a T1 deck and need CASUAL to learn you are a absolute loser of a person and player. If you can’t play a T1 deck at ranks 20-15, quit and find a new game. If you’re worried that much about stars, they must come far and few between.
Why are you a absolute loser of a person and a player, if you practice a deck before playing it on ladder?
If you never playede the deck before, I can’t see anything wrong with testing it in casual.
Blizzard made a game with a certain ruleset. Everybody playes within that ruleset, so if people playing good decks in casual makes you mad, you should perhaps turn it towards Blizzard in a constructive way.
Why in the world would you practice in casual? Practice the deck in ranked. There is no such thing as practicing a tier 1 deck in casual. You're not really doing anything.
Well, that is your opinion and you are 100 % entitled to it. The reason why I practice decks in casual before taking them to the ladder is to get a feel of them. Some people can look at the decklist and just know what to do, and how to play it. Good for them. I need to play it a couple of times to get comfortable with it. In this way I reduce my losses in ranked, because I know the deck better after having played with it in casual.
I’m not saying it is good practice, but it is better than no practice. If I could play other top decks without loosing stars… sure I would do it there and not in casual.
My goal is not to stomp on anybody, I am just playing Hearthstone within the rules of Hearthstone the way that suits me best.
Sorry to tell you, but Hearthstone is not F2P. It is absolutely Pay2Win if you want to have a little fun. I Guess your gf needs to spend at least 100 bucks to catch up the pace - otherwise she will neverbe able to compete a bit :( Sorry to tell you.
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The new ladder system might attract more people from Casual to Ranked, let's just hope for that. Sorry to hear your girlfriend's experience, and props to you for being a nice guy!
What destroys the Casual game experience furthermore is that people (me included) just go there to fulfill annoying quests like play murlocs, play small minions, play class cards of classes I don't play on ranked and so on.
This makes people go to Casual play decks filled with whatever you have to play and concede after playing a decent number.
This is one of the reason we need a new format - restricted, which would change i.e. each week. So that there are very little netdecking in the first days, where people are trying new decks. I.e. this week rule could be "1 epic max, 1 legendary max, 10 rare max", next week "no dupes, banned DKs, only two last sets allowed", etc.
This is the same reason I hate standard and opt out to play mostly arena.
In that case, why don't you be a good boyfriend and play friendly matches with her using non meta decks. I'm sure she would be very happy about it. And don't worry, Blizzard won't punish you for playing fun decks. They will actually be happy to see that you're playing their game and finding solutions, that way, they can focus more on designing great cards like Patches and Corridor Creeper.
@OP: +1, Casual should always be a mode for having fun. META decks destroy the fun. I speak about a very nice solution here:
I think the solution would be simple...
Just add classic ranked.
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Arena is the way to compete on equal basis and build your collection, ranked and casual are used to complete quests so i wouldn´t recommend that for any new player.
Also first let her complete everything that can be done vs AI (quests and adventures) to further build her collection.
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I don't think it's fair to summarize new players experience looking at just your girlfriend's situation. Do not underestimate your influence: you helped to understand basics much quicker and you helped to build a viable starter deck. As a result her MMR is higher than average and she met stronger opponents earlier than it would normally happen.
I'm kinda in the same position: my wife started playing HS just a few days ago. I helped her to build a decent basic/common tempo mage deck to start with and explained her how to trade effeciently etc. As a reult she stomped all other noobs in casual in her first ~10 games. We'll see how it will go after 20-25 wins.
However, I also don't quite get how matchmaking works: out of those 10 opponents one was an almost 100% meta jade druid with UI, spreading plague etc. She was lucky to beat him with a top-deck fireball.
This game is sh*t, don't play.
I have a second account which I created for the Mrrgl hero portrait, but I then ended up playing on it a few times a week for the heck of it. Playing ranked is terrible with a starter account, and Blizzard knows it, and hopefully the upcoming change to ranked play will help. I was lucky enough to pull a Aya Blackpaw so was able to build a budget Jade deck that was good enough to get to rank 20 each month.
However, playing casual, the MMR system does work and was able to pit me against similar players in terms of card pool. Now, maybe I don't play enough on this account to get my MMR up high, but I only occasionally found tier-1 decks in my experience. But do remember that if you have a weak collection but know how to play well, you'll end up facing bad players with tier-1 decks since you'll steamroll the newer players, even with a bad deck.
I don't normally play casual but pulled a shaman quest, so I figured let's get it done. I've never seen so much BM from opponents, and shaman isn't even a good class. Nothing but roping or spamming emotes. Clearly that little pond is hiding some bottom feeders. I guess casual means animosity in Hearthstone speak.
Well, that is your opinion and you are 100 % entitled to it. The reason why I practice decks in casual before taking them to the ladder is to get a feel of them. Some people can look at the decklist and just know what to do, and how to play it. Good for them. I need to play it a couple of times to get comfortable with it. In this way I reduce my losses in ranked, because I know the deck better after having played with it in casual.
I’m not saying it is good practice, but it is better than no practice. If I could play other top decks without loosing stars… sure I would do it there and not in casual.
My goal is not to stomp on anybody, I am just playing Hearthstone within the rules of Hearthstone the way that suits me best.
Sorry to tell you, but Hearthstone is not F2P. It is absolutely Pay2Win if you want to have a little fun. I Guess your gf needs to spend at least 100 bucks to catch up the pace - otherwise she will neverbe able to compete a bit :( Sorry to tell you.