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Silence isn't a tech card, this card is. Tech cards by definition are cheaper (or at least more powerful) because they fill a niche role. Silence for instance is far more useful against a deck without many (or any) deathrattles. So it's an imperfect comparison. But again, that's your opinion which is totally fine.

As for the spirit of the competition argument, there's really not much more to say on the matter. I wanted to create a useful and unique 0 cost priest minion and this is what I came up with. I'm sorry you feel it's too 'spell like' for your taste but I just disagree with you on that for the reasons I've already laid out. So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Except that you appealed to get our opinions banned outright from the competition, while I am just trying to convince people not to vote for your card.

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Silence isn't a tech card, this card is. Tech cards by definition are cheaper (or at least more powerful) because they fill a niche role. Silence for instance is far more useful against a deck without many (or any) deathrattles. So it's an imperfect comparison. But again, that's your opinion which is totally fine.

As for the spirit of the competition argument, there's really not much more to say on the matter. I wanted to create a useful and unique 0 cost priest minion and this is what I came up with. I'm sorry you feel it's too 'spell like' for your taste but I just disagree with you on that for the reasons I've already laid out. So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Except that you appealed to get our opinions banned outright from the competition, while I am just trying to convince people not to vote for your card.

 Never once did I say, 'ban this guy's card'. I said, 

However, I do think that complaining and whining about a submission with the intent of undermining it's chances at winning should very much be against the rules as that very much goes against the spirit of the contest.

I said this in response to claims suggesting my card was 'borderline against the rules' and 'undermines the spirit of the competition'. Because in my eyes, suggesting this card acts like a spell so it should be a spell so it shouldn't be allowed is just that.

Saw your edit. So, you're doubling down on banning negative critiques of cards, eh?

I fixed that typo but my point remains valid, meant to say opinion.

But deliberately attacking someone's submission with the intent of undermining it's chances to win is just in very bad taste, and I stand by my statement that I don't think it should be allowed. I certainly would never do that. But that is a very different thing than providing criticism. I don't have any problem with criticism. I just don't like being called a cheater or whatever you want to call it by suggesting I submitted a spell in the guise of a minion. You've beaten that horse enough now, it's dead.

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I fixed that typo but my point remains valid, meant to say opinion.

But deliberately attacking someone's submission with the intent of undermining it's chances to win is just in very bad taste, and I stand by my statement that I don't think it should be allowed. I certainly would never do that. I also don't have any problem with criticism. I just don't like being called a cheater or whatever you want to call it by suggesting I submitted a spell in the guise of a minion. You've beaten that horse enough now, it's dead.

Wow, you're really going the extra mile trying to make me look bad. Since I don't like people calling other people cheaters and don't think it belongs in this thread because I personally believe it's in bad taste, I'm against free speech or some such.

Okay then, you win. I give up. There's nothing more to discuss. I suppose we'll just let the competition go on ahead and let the chips fall where they may. Best of luck to you.

I didn't go the extra mile to make you look bad, you did with your appeal for censorship. And, yes, I feel very strongly about that. I probably would have agreed to disagree if you hadn't made that comment and especially if you hadn't restated it.

Okay

Well, this got very heated, and I'm sorry I wasn't here to intervene earlier. I just want to make two things clear since they specifically deal with the policy side of things:

1) We specifically addressed as part of this week's competition rules the fact that there exist many cards of one card type that act like cards of another type, if not always then at least in some situations. Noble Sacrifice is a Spell, but in spirit it can also be said to pretty much be a Taunt minion that's summoned in a unique way. Upgrade! and Living Roots can be used simply to put cards of another type into play as well. We deliberately decided that we would not consider entries like this to be against the spirit of the rules inherently and that voters would determine whether they liked them or not.

2) This is definitely the place to talk about whether you like something or not, talk about why, and convince people to vote for it or not vote for it. That was the entire point of Season 2 having separate Finalist Topics was so that voting wasn't simply viewing a poll but could also easily include reading up on what people are saying (in the same topic rather than having to go look at pages 15+ of the Discussion Topic). As long as the conversation is respectful, we are not going to prevent anybody from voicing their opinion that a card does not deserve votes.

I don't really feel like voting for any of them. Some are really OP, others make no sense. A 0/0 minion, really? Why not just make it a spell - oh there is a 0 mana spell already, well you just cheated the rules in an uncreative way. Why not just gain +1/+2, why "transform" and produce a new token card. Others have a nice effect, but are too strong, others are just meh. Voted for Protector's Resolve, since that is the only card I can see being in the game.

edit: Holy shit how can Will-O-Wisp be leading? It's really just a spell as a minion just to circumvent one of this weeks restrictions. Wtf.

edit 2: Seems that has already been brought up. lol

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I don't really feel like voting for any of them. Some are really OP, others make no sense. A 0/0 minion, really? Why not just make it a spell - oh there is a 0 mana spell already, well you just cheated the rules in an uncreative way. Why not just gain +1/+2, why "transform" and produce a new token card. Others have a nice effect, but are too strong, others are just meh. Voted for Protector's Resolve, since that is the only card I can see being in the game.

edit: Holy shit how can Will-O-Wisp be leading? It's really just a spell as a minion just to circumvent one of this weeks restrictions. Wtf.

edit 2: Seems that has already been brought up. lol

To everyone that thinks I cheated the rules, I suggest contacting a moderator.

To those that voted for my submission, I'd like to say thanks!

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To everyone that thinks I cheated the rules, I suggest contacting a moderator.

To those that voted for my submission, I'd like to say thanks!

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To everyone that thinks I cheated the rules, I suggest contacting a moderator.

To those that voted for my submission, I'd like to say thanks!

 Because if the moderators think they shouldn't disqualify it, then we must all agree that it fits the theme well.

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To everyone that thinks I cheated the rules, I suggest contacting a moderator.

To those that voted for my submission, I'd like to say thanks!

 Because if the moderators think they shouldn't disqualify it, then we must all agree that it fits the theme well.

 Umm...okay..

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Will-O'-Wisp i way too overpowered, 0 mana for silencing AND stealing the deathrattle?
And even when the enemy plays 0 deathrattles (which is highly doubtable), you can even target your own minions.
And with this card existing you would play Sylvanas Windrunner for sure in your deck, no matter how you look at it, it's not balanced, at 3 mana i maybe could see it, cause stealing any deathrattle above 4 mana is very powerful and since it has no body i think that cost would be okay considering it has a huge effect like kezan when it works (and 3 mana for silencing a Piloted Shredder and summoning a 3 drop usualy stronger than own is pretty damn good).
Also with the  utility to use your own deathrattle the turn they come out, denying silencing the card it's underbudgeted.
And barely anyone plays without at least one deathrattle exept for extreme control decks. so you shouldn't call it a "tech card" at 0 mana.
Comparing it with the spell Silenceand Ironbeak Owl it's underpriced at anything below 3 mana
That's my opinion on it, very nice and niche design, but mana cost should definetly be tweaked as well as if it should maybe be a spell (although that would be against the rules but I'm talking balance.)