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#1 Nov 11, 2015 (Warsong Nerf)
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This Week's Finalists

Entry Restrictions:
Your card may not share its specific combination of Mana Cost, Class, and Card Type (minion, spell, weapon) with any existing card. (Note that when this competition began, LoE cards had not yet been revealed.)
Your card must be a Class card.
Your card may not be of a Card Type not already found in its Class. (Example: No Mage Weapons.)
Your card may not cost 10 or more mana.

We have whittled down ~220 valid entries to just 26 of the community's favorites.
Check out all the finalists below and vote in our poll (vote for as many or as few as you like) to help decide the winner and be sure to check back after the poll finishes for the announcement of the winner and the start of a new theme!

NOTE: Cards with a black border have additional material, like explanations or unique tokens, located in a spoiler at the bottom of the finalist gallery. They are listed alphabetically by the name of the finalist card.

by Petlas
by CasmX
by Mulgorer
by Elyxie
by PupleMD
by nobravery
by 91Luna
Ship's Cannon
by Sneaky_Raptor
The Coin
by lalaiosmoiko
by zartgruen
by Vegust
by nurgling13
Harvest Golem
by Shnayzr
by LucasPassado
King Krush
by mr_0range
by Teologic
Frost Nova
by KittyB52
Shadowform
by MrFauxtrot
by TheFelix87
Ironfur Grizzly
by Oexos
by kekkonen22
by UndeadRebel13
Silver Hand Recruit
by Nothingsjim
by ApothecaryAuguste
by RandomScribbles
by Hojobert (Wild Card)

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Darnassus Seedling

Druid of the Elements

Landro's Lichling

Shapeshifting

The spell should also have text 'Replace your hero with Dire Bear form.'

The spell should also have text 'Replace your hero with Moonkin form.'

The spell should also have text 'Replace your hero with Tree of Life form

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Finally I could enter into the finals :DD

My favorites were mind sear and symbiote prowler, very creative cards this week

Also, this "polymorph king" I really didn't understand why this card.

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Let me just head off any comments on my card's balance by posting my tome of research on it. I mean, I didn't write all this just for it to not be there in the finals. It's pretty long, but you can TL;DR it by just reading the last paragraph:

NOTE: for minions, each stat (attack or health) and taunt are each worth 0.5 mana.

So, how much is Choose One worth? Let’s look at some Choose One minions with abilities that are relatively easy to cost: Druid of the Saber, Anodized Robo Cub, Druid of the Flame, and Druid of the Claw. Druid of the Saber can be the same as Bluegill Warrior or essentially the same as Gilblin Stalker. Class cards are better, so Choose Oneseems to be equal to that advantage here. We can compare to Sparring Partner, which is probably equivalent to a 3 mana cost, which means Choose One is worth about 1 here. For Anodized Robo Cub, either way, it is worth 2.5 mana, so Choose One seems to be worth 0.5 mana here. You can also compare to Voidwalker. Anodized Robo Cub is 0.5 mana better, which would also imply Choose One is worth 0.5 mana. For Druid of the Flame, either way it ends up on curve for stats, so the Choose One again seems to be worth the class card advantage of ~1. Druid of the Claw can end up as a 4/6 taunt, which is worth 5 mana. As a 4/4charge, it is worth 0.5 mana more than Kor'kron Elite, which would imply Choose One is worth 0.5 mana here.

So, in conclusion there is some variation in how much Choose One seems to be worth on a card, from 0.5-1 mana. However, in the two cases where I was able to compare straightforwardly to other class cards, the Choose Oneseemed to be worth 0.5 mana, so I will go with that.

Now, how much is dealing 1 damage worth? There are a number of minions that deal damage as abattlecry: Elven Archer, Ironforge Rifleman, Stormpike Commando, and North Sea Kraken (other ones that deal damage aren’t as straightforward to cost). Based on how far their stats are below curve, Elven Archer implies dealing 1 damage is worth 0.5 mana, Ironforge Rifleman implies dealing 1 damage is worth 1.5 mana, Stormpike Commando implies dealing 2 damage is worth 1.5 mana, and North Sea Kraken implies dealing 4 damage is worth 1.5 mana. So, there is huge inconsistency here. Part of this is that these are all bad cards. Ironforge Rifleman is almost certainly too expensive for what it does, as is Stormpike Commando. Based on the remaining two, dealing 1 damage seems to be worth <= 0.5 mana.

Now, how much is restoring 2 health worth? Next to nothing. Voodoo Doctor is on mana curve and restores 2 health. In terms of spells, druids already have Healing Touch, which implies restoring 2 health is inconsequential. You can’t just divide, because it doesn’t seem to scale like that. Look at Holy Light and Flash Heal. Following the progression in mana costs, a zero mana restore health spell would seem to restore 3-4 health, so restoring two health would be worth basically zero. This also follows from the Hero Powers, which are all basically equivalent to 0 cost spells.

Now, compare Young Moonkin toVoidwalker. Both are 1 cost class minions, so they should be worth the same (I am ignoring that Voidwalker is a demon here, but that only helps my case, because that gives me some extra value to work with). If you choose health, my moonkin has the same stats, minus taunt. You get Choose One and restoring half a health instead. The Choose One should be worth the same as taunt from my analysis, and restoring 2 health is worth nothing, so that is equivalent. In his damage form, he’s a 2/1, which is 1 stat andtaunt down from Voidwalker. 1 stat and taunt are both worth 0.5 mana. Choose one is again worth 0.5 mana, so the damage he deals should be worth 0.5 mana, and I’ve established that dealing 1 damage is worth 0.5 mana, so I think that balances him. Yes, he is strictly better than Elven Archer, but he is a class card. Anodized Robo Cub is strictly better than Frostwolf Grunt, too, and by the same margin in stats. While I'm at it, another class card, Voidwalker is better than Goldshire Footman, and Sparring Partner is also better than Frostwolf Grunt.

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0 health minions aren't really a thing in HS atm, so I'll go ahead and copy/paste my description from the submission page.

Pretty self explanatory. This minion comes into play, takes another minion's Deathrattle, then immediately dies which triggers that Deathrattle. The minion it targets loses it's Deathrattle but is otherwise not silenced, so any other buffs/effects etc on that minion remain.

It is possible for this minion to steal a Deathrattle and survive through aura buffs, such as Stormwind Champion. Seems like a pretty fun card! I chose priest because it's my favorite class. I hope you all enjoy!

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Of note because it's not immediately obvious, Thug of the Nerubians has very interesting synergy with Beneath the Grounds because Ambush! is a 0-mana card.

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The choice is very hard, a lot of good cards, good job every one.

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I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

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I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

Agree. I'm pretty surprised this made it into the finals. You're really telling me silencing Sylvanas and then using her deathrattle for yourself is worth 0 mana?

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I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can see why you think it's powerful because it most certainly is. That is against decks with powerful Deathrattles. Of course, Tech cards generally tend to be powerful against what they're tech'd against. Against a player with fewer deathrattles, or weaker deathrattles, it wouldn't be as good. In this meta though, you're almost certainly going to have a Piloted Shredder target. Against aggro, you may have to settle stealing a Haunted Creeper's 1/1s. On the other hand, using a control deck's Sylvanas Windrunner against them or a midrange hunter's Savannah Highmane's is huge. It's almost like people may even have to rethink the meta if a card like this were to be implemented. But that'd just be crazy!

As for circumventing the rules of the contest, I can see why you'd think that. You'd just be wrong. It's not a spell, it's very much a minion. It can survive through aura effects such as Stormwind Champion. It can trigger secrets like Mirror Entity, Snipe or even more hilariously, Repentance. So while you're entitled to your opinion which I fully respect, don't go spouting nonsense how I'm trying to circumvent the rules and intentionally go against the spirit of the contest. I'd very much appreciate that.

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Quote from CasmX >>

Quote from TheWamts >>

I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can see why you think it's powerful because it most certainly is. That is against decks with powerful Deathrattles. Of course, Tech cards generally tend to be powerful against what they're tech'd against. Against a player with fewer deathrattles, or weaker deathrattles, it wouldn't be as good. In this meta though, you're almost certainly going to have a Piloted Shredder target. Against aggro, you may have to settle stealing a Haunted Creeper's 1/1s. On the other hand, using a control deck's Sylvanas Windrunner against them or a midrange hunter's Savannah Highmane's is huge. It's almost like people may even have to rethink the meta if a card like this were to be implemented. But that'd just be crazy!

As for circumventing the rules of the contest, I can see why you'd think that. You'd just be wrong. It's not a spell, it's very much a minion. It can survive through aura effects such as Stormwind Champion. It can trigger secrets like Mirror Entity, Snipe or even more hilariously, Repentance. So while you're entitled to your opinion which I fully respect, don't go spouting nonsense how I'm trying to circumvent the rules and intentionally go against the spirit of the contest. I'd very much appreciate that.

Your card only acts like a minion in fringe cases. In almost all other cases, it acts like a spell, because it would not be very different if it were just a spell. So, that is definitely against the spirit of the rules in my opinion. It is definitely not nonsense. Plus, a 0 health minion would have weird interactions with cards likeResurrect and Kel'Thuzad. I don't think blizzard ever intended to have cards like this that would be summoned and immediately die.

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I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can see why you think it's powerful because it most certainly is. That is against decks with powerful Deathrattles. Of course, Tech cards generally tend to be powerful against what they're tech'd against. Against a player with fewer deathrattles, or weaker deathrattles, it wouldn't be as good. In this meta though, you're almost certainly going to have a Piloted Shredder target. Against aggro, you may have to settle stealing a Haunted Creeper's 1/1s. On the other hand, using a control deck's Sylvanas Windrunner against them or a midrange hunter's Savannah Highmane's is huge. It's almost like people may even have to rethink the meta if a card like this were to be implemented. But that'd just be crazy!

As for circumventing the rules of the contest, I can see why you'd think that. You'd just be wrong. It's not a spell, it's very much a minion. It can survive through aura effects such as Stormwind Champion. It can trigger secrets like Mirror Entity, Snipe or even more hilariously, Repentance. So while you're entitled to your opinion which I fully respect, don't go spouting nonsense how I'm trying to circumvent the rules and intentionally go against the spirit of the contest. I'd very much appreciate that.

Your card only acts like a minion in fringe cases. In almost all other cases, it acts like a spell, because it would not be very different if it were just a spell. So, that is definitely against the spirit of the rules in my opinion. It is definitely not nonsense. Plus, a 0 health minion would have weird interactions with cards likeResurrect and Kel'Thuzad. I don't think blizzard ever intended to have cards like this that would be summoned and immediately die.

It's pretty obvious how it works with Resurrect or Kel'Thuzad. Just like it would if it was brought out by an opponent's Deathlord. Like every other Battlecry minion in the game that's brought into play from a means other than from being played from the hand, the battlecry wouldn't trigger. Then, since it would have 0 health, it would die.

As for arguing your point about the spell vs minion aspect, well, nothing I say will convince you. This submission doesn't break any rules of the contest and for every purpose of game interaction, when played it would be treated as a minion being summoned, not a spell being played. So, that Counterspell or Burly Rockjaw Trogg won't trigger.

However, I do think that complaining and whining about a submission with the intent of undermining it's chances at winning should very much be against the rules as that very much goes against the spirit of the contest. If you have more complaints about my card, I suggest you take them to the discussion page and express your opinions there.

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Are you serious? You cannot be serious. You are saying that it shouldn't be allowed to voice our opinions on cards because we are voicing a negative opinion of yours. That is the main point of this page, to talk about the cards that are in the final. You are the one trying to undermine the contest by attempting to silence criticism of your card.

Plus, I didn't say I didn't know what would happen when you Resurrected this card, I said it was weird. Meaning that it isn't designed well to fit with existing game mechanics.

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Quote from CasmX >>

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I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can see why you think it's powerful because it most certainly is. That is against decks with powerful Deathrattles. Of course, Tech cards generally tend to be powerful against what they're tech'd against. Against a player with fewer deathrattles, or weaker deathrattles, it wouldn't be as good. In this meta though, you're almost certainly going to have a Piloted Shredder target. Against aggro, you may have to settle stealing a Haunted Creeper's 1/1s. On the other hand, using a control deck's Sylvanas Windrunner against them or a midrange hunter's Savannah Highmane's is huge. It's almost like people may even have to rethink the meta if a card like this were to be implemented. But that'd just be crazy!

As for circumventing the rules of the contest, I can see why you'd think that. You'd just be wrong. It's not a spell, it's very much a minion. It can survive through aura effects such as Stormwind Champion. It can trigger secrets like Mirror Entity, Snipe or even more hilariously, Repentance. So while you're entitled to your opinion which I fully respect, don't go spouting nonsense how I'm trying to circumvent the rules and intentionally go against the spirit of the contest. I'd very much appreciate that.

The card is quote unquote a "minion", it'll trigger Knife Juggler, it'll trigger Mirror Entity, it'll count towards Ressurect, and Spellslinger can't give this to your hand, so yes, it literally "is" a minion.

But its intended purpose is definitely as a spell. (No one in their right mind would drop this thing with Stormwind Champion, don't give me that) And consider what happens if this card places. Imagine they make a contest: "Make a playable minion that is much weaker when summoned out of Piloted Shredder than when played.", or whatever. And then you see a flood of 2-cost 0-Health "minions" entries that are just poorly hidden spells, because this card is precedence that this type of thing is ok.

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I'm just gonna say Will'o-wisp is the most ridiculous card I've ever seen (Silence their deathrattle and then immediately trigger it for 0, wut?), and borderline circumventing the contest, it's a 0-cost spell, not a minion, which Priest already has.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I can see why you think it's powerful because it most certainly is. That is against decks with powerful Deathrattles. Of course, Tech cards generally tend to be powerful against what they're tech'd against. Against a player with fewer deathrattles, or weaker deathrattles, it wouldn't be as good. In this meta though, you're almost certainly going to have a Piloted Shredder target. Against aggro, you may have to settle stealing a Haunted Creeper's 1/1s. On the other hand, using a control deck's Sylvanas Windrunner against them or a midrange hunter's Savannah Highmane's is huge. It's almost like people may even have to rethink the meta if a card like this were to be implemented. But that'd just be crazy!

As for circumventing the rules of the contest, I can see why you'd think that. You'd just be wrong. It's not a spell, it's very much a minion. It can survive through aura effects such as Stormwind Champion. It can trigger secrets like Mirror Entity, Snipe or even more hilariously, Repentance. So while you're entitled to your opinion which I fully respect, don't go spouting nonsense how I'm trying to circumvent the rules and intentionally go against the spirit of the contest. I'd very much appreciate that.

The card is quote unquote a "minion", it'll trigger Knife Juggler, it'll trigger Mirror Entity, it'll count towards Ressurect, and Spellslinger can't give this to your hand, so yes, it literally "is" a minion.

But its intended purpose is definitely as a spell. (No one in their right mind would drop this thing with Stormwind Champion, don't give me that) And consider what happens if this card places. Imagine they make a contest: "Make a playable minion that is much weaker when summoned out of Piloted Shredder than when played.", or whatever. And then you see a flood of 2-cost 0-Health "minions" entries that are just poorly hidden spells, because this card is precedence that this type of thing is ok.

And could I just point out again that he outrageously tried to pawn off our critique of his card as 'complaining and whining' and claimed that that is what should be banned from the competition.

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Are you serious? You cannot be serious. You are saying that it shouldn't be allowed to voice our opinions on cards because we are voicing a negative opinion of yours. That is the main point of this page, to talk about the cards that are in the final. You are the one trying to undermine the contest by attempting to silence criticism of your card.

Plus, I didn't say I didn't know what would happen when you Resurrected this card, I said it was weird. Meaning that it isn't designed well to fit with existing game mechanics.

I don't see how this is an attempt to "silence" as you put it. He clearly suggested you go to the discussion thread, not the voting thread.

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He claimed it should be outright banned for one thing. He said it should straight up be against the rules to criticize cards in the Final Poll topic. That is an appeal to silence the criticism. Also, it is ludicrous to be discussing this in the discussion thread. As soon as this thread goes up, all discussion moves here. Discussion in the discussion thread would be invisible. Particularly because there are people who come here and read only the Final Poll without ever looking at the discussion thread. They would never see this discussion. Also, the discussion thread is for discussing all submissions, while talking about the finalists is much more relevant to this thread.

Plus, the discussion thread is locked.

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I don't mind criticism. What I do mind is saying I'm cheating by intentionally circumventing the rules which is clearly an attempt to undermine the submission. But at any rate, I really had no intention of engaging with you further. So I'll just leave it at that. I'm sure everyone here can think for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

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I don't mind criticism. What I do mind is saying I'm cheating by intentionally circumventing the rules which is clearly an attempt to undermine the submission. But at any rate, I really had no intention of engaging with you further. So I'll just leave it at that. I'm sure everyone here can think for themselves and come to their own conclusions.

Being against the spirit of the theme is not the same as cheating. Part of designing a card for the contest is making it fit the theme, and yours does not, since it is basically a spell, and priests already have a 0-cost spell (Silence). Plus, it should cost more thanSilence in the same way that Mind Control costs much more than Assassinate: stealing something is worth much more than just destroying something. Mind Control steals a card while assassinate just destroys one, which is why it costs 5 more. Your effect steals a deathrattle effect instead of just destroying it, so it needs to cost more thanSilence.

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Silence isn't a tech card, this card is. Tech cards by definition are cheaper (or at least more powerful) because they fill a niche role. Just like Big Game Hunter is a great card against high attack targets but generally bad elsewhere. Silence for instance is far more useful against a deck without many (or any) deathrattles, or against buffs in general because my submission card is limited to targeting only Deathrattle. So it's an imperfect comparison. But again, that's your opinion which is totally fine.

As for the spirit of the competition argument, there's really not much more to say on the matter. I wanted to create a useful and unique 0 cost priest minion and this is what I came up with. I'm sorry you feel it's too 'spell like' for your taste but I just disagree with you on that for the reasons I've already laid out. So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Quote from CasmX >>

Silence isn't a tech card, this card is. Tech cards by definition are cheaper (or at least more powerful) because they fill a niche role. Silence for instance is far more useful against a deck without many (or any) deathrattles. So it's an imperfect comparison. But again, that's your opinion which is totally fine.

As for the spirit of the competition argument, there's really not much more to say on the matter. I wanted to create a useful and unique 0 cost priest minion and this is what I came up with. I'm sorry you feel it's too 'spell like' for your taste but I just disagree with you on that for the reasons I've already laid out. So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Except that you appealed to get our opinions banned outright from the competition, while I am just trying to convince people not to vote for your card.

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