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I've got to vote for the Jade Golem Serpant Statue. The synergy is so nice for Jade Golem and it just feels so flavorful for someone who plays WoW.

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I've got to vote for the Jade Golem Serpant Statue. The synergy is so nice for Jade Golem and it just feels so flavorful for someone who plays WoW.

 It is the card least likely to be played in a N'Zoth deck (and thus actually fit the theme), so I can see why you would vote for that one.

 

For the sake of your accounts i'd suggest cooling down before the mods notice again >_>

No need for hard feelings, I get that you guys had some run in in the past but don't let it ruin the competition for you two. You can discuss opinions on cards but you guys are obviously escalating exponentially in tension based on some prior incidents.

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For the sake of your accounts i'd suggest cooling down before the mods notice again >_>

No need for hard feelings, I get that you guys had some run in in the past but don't let it ruin the competition for you two. You can discuss opinions on cards but you guys are obviously escalating exponentially in tension based on some prior incidents.

Rebutting arguments in favor of Jade Serpent Statue and talking about why it doesn't fit the theme are extremely relevant to this competition. All competitions have themes, so we always need to talk about how cards fit that theme, and the importance of fitting the theme.

As an aside, saying that Deathrattle and Jade don't mix doesn't take into account Jade Rogue. You don't have to go all in on a theme to make it work, flexibility helps a lot. Don't say Aya Blackpaw wouldn't be a great Deathrattle to hit with N'Zoth if you managed to get out a couple of Jade generators. The thing about N'Zoth is you don't have to hit the jackpot every time. I mean, it helps, but even N'Zoth bringing back two or three key targets can be enough.

Granted, Rogue Deathrattle synergy and Shaman Deathrattle synergy are two different things, yes, but I don't feel that the two archetypes are mutually exclusive.

That said, Elemental Ascendant and Tidebringer are probably my two picks. One's much slower than the other, granted, but I like their flavour of Deathrattle. Honestly, the Swamp Guardian's flavour I like, too, probably even more than my two picks, but I agree that, once you get past a certain threshold of Deathrattles, you start to run into anti-value with spawning a bunch of tokens.

Since no jade shaman deck I've see runs Jade Chieftain, it's essentially a dead card for any jade shaman deck. They also lack the ability to add more jade cards which Rogues can do: Unearthed Raptor, Gang Up, the occasional lucky pulls with any of there of their card steals, not to mention Shadowcaster. Then druid have their broken Jade Idol so they have infinite value. Shaman have a very limited number of jade golems and a little extra synergy would help them immensely.

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Since no jade shaman deck I've see runs Jade Chieftain, it's essentially a dead card for any jade shaman deck. They also lack the ability to add more jade cards which Rogues can do: Unearthed Raptor, Gang Up, the occasional lucky pulls with any of there of their card steals, not to mention Shadowcaster. Then druid have their broken Jade Idol so they have infinite value. Shaman have a very limited number of jade golems and a little extra synergy would help them immensely.

Saying Jade Chieftain is bad is not a good reason to add new Jade Golem cards. If you add more, that would make Jade Chieftain broken. It's not great right now, but when it can easily summon 10/10 Taunts because of the new Jade Golem sources, all the Shaman Jade decks will start including it.

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Since no jade shaman deck I've see runs Jade Chieftain, it's essentially a dead card for any jade shaman deck. They also lack the ability to add more jade cards which Rogues can do: Unearthed Raptor, Gang Up, the occasional lucky pulls with any of there of their card steals, not to mention Shadowcaster. Then druid have their broken Jade Idol so they have infinite value. Shaman have a very limited number of jade golems and a little extra synergy would help them immensely.

Saying Jade Chieftain is bad is not a good reason to add new Jade Golem cards. If you add more, that would make Jade Chieftain broken. It's not great right now, but when it can easily summon 10/10 Taunts because of the new Jade Golem sources, all the Shaman Jade decks will start including it.

 Considering that a druid player can summon 30/30 jade golems for 1 mana, I'm not particularly worried about giving shaman a minor boost. After the next rotation even Rogue could use a small push if there's ever going to be a jade deck other than druid. You're right that it's not bad right now, but considering how insanely powerful Jade Druid is with both ramp AND an endless supply of Jade Golem cards, it would not make Jade Chieftain broken. It would make them extremely powerful, with insane value, but not more so than druid already posses. The scariest combination would be dropping a Brann then a Chief for a 10/10 and 11/11 with taunt, but at that point you'd be better off dropping Jade Spirit and Spirit Wolves for more board presence.

TLDR - Shaman is the current weakest Jade Golem deck to run, and they could use a boost if that deck is ever going to be competitive, especially considering how JadeDruid is already looking to be a meta deck.

 For one thing, I think you underestimate the boost each additional Jade Golem card will add. Jade Druid is so good precisely because they have effectively unlimited Jade Golems. And I don't think a good response to a deck you think is OP is to make other classes have OP decks. If one deck is too powerful, the correct response is to nerf what is making it so powerful relative to the other classes. 

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Ancient Spiritwarden is actually pretty cool, BUT no. Resurrecting is a Priest thing. And on top of that Shaman is the last class that deserves a resurrecting card because they can literally cheat by summoning their big overload minions with no drawback. This card is OP.

Well, there are other cards with resurrecting or pseudo-resurrection effects and lore-wise Shamans have the ability to return spirits to their bodies - so it isn't far-fetched in terms of theme. I'm sure the same could have been said about using other players' cards being a Priest thing (Mind Vision, Thoughtsteal, Mindgames) but then we got Burgle, Nefarian, etc. to make the mechanic available to other classes (to the point that it is now seen as a "Rogue" thing)

As for the second concern... what is OP? The card, or Flamewreathed Faceless? No need to answer, really. I've actually been careful and conservative when valuing the card; so it is actually, technically underpowered (or over-costed) going by the regular pricing rules, and a tempo loss if it doesn't resurrect anything decent or gets Silenced. I mean, I get your concern, but by that logic, all cards are OP as long as other OP cards exist, no? :)