What happens if i Cabal Shadow Priest this minion: does the enemy get damaged after it?
Battlecries occur before a minion is summoned thus the likely scenario is you will steal this minion, the battlecry summoned minion will enter the battlefield, then the effect will trigger for the priest.
Then again tracking should count as card draw for chromaggus and as Disguised toast has pointed out, there are many wording inconsistencies so who knows until we test it. Blizzard really needs to be exact or more descriptive in their card text of the exact effect.
Pretty sure you're wrong DarkTycon : if you steal a Knife Juggler with Mind Control Tech, you get the juggle. Since this one has a similar wording, we should expect a similar outcome.
Also, Battlecry does not happen before, but during "Summon" (think of it more like a phase, rather than an instant event). & technically happen after the minion physically touch the battlefield. ex : if you have 6 minions on board, and play a minion with a summoning battlecry, you get the main body, but not the the secondary one...
Knife juggler is an exception to this rule and like Wild Pyromancer has it's effect occur after a minion is summoned. It's a text inconsistency which is show cased here by disgused toast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSGH40jokoE
And yes when you summon Kezan on a secret the battlecry triggers stealing the secret before the minion enters the battlefield for mirror entity. You make an interesting case with the full board minion summoning the clone but I imagine that either as a text inconsistency (in general since some battle cries tend to occur before and after) but the effect is reactionary to the minion hitting the board for the purposes of board positioning being the reason behind the main creature being summoned first as the summon must always be to the right of it.
so you play this guy on turn 10 and bounce pandas all day. atleast 3 times and if i sticks for 1 turn you bounce pandas 5 times, you use abusive seargents with tuskarrs, arguss, fire ele, bgh. you also play bronzebeard because if he sticks 1 turn with pandas and abusives it could get crazy or even tuskarrs. imagine bouncing 2 tuskars with 1 panda then playing them both, the possibilities.
Why would they put this on shaman a class with probably 1 or 2 playable class minions with battlecry? (one of the many issues with shaman). Not to mention that it has be proved that 2/6 for 4 is not good.That's what four content patches in a row with 4 drops for shaman and each one of the is worst that the neutral 4 drop that everybody uses (shredder) what a waste.
Like always I hope that I'm wrong with my predictions but so far I have been right on each expansion being trash for shaman.
Why would they put this on shaman a class with probably 1 or 2 playable class minions with battlecry? (one of the many issues with shaman). Not to mention that it has be proved that 2/6 for 4 is not good.That's what four content patches in a row with 4 drops for shaman and each one of the is worst that the neutral 4 drop that everybody uses (shredder) what a waste.
Like always I hope that I'm wrong with my predictions but so far I have been right on each expansion being trash for shaman.
To be fair no 4 drop can ever compare to shredder. Atm there is no reason to ever use a 4 drop besides shredder atm with the only rare exceptions as defender of argus for handlock and perhaps a twilight guardian in a filled dragon deck. But yea it's a maiden of the lake with a slightly better ability. To be fair it's quite comparable to flame waker, however 1 mana for 2 hp isn't a huge upgrade but the ability is minion focused instead of spell focused.
Gimmicky at best. Fireguard Destroyer is better and not played because of Shredder. If it was a random enemy minion then yeah maybe, but this is just too slow. If it hits a minion, it can finish it off with it's own body maybe and stay alive, but still, the other options seem stronger. Might be alright in certain arena drafts.
I'll be looking forward to Noxious' battlecry deck though,
It dosnt have to be better, it has to be good and have good sinergy with the class the same way zoo uses Voidcaller intead of Shredder,druid uses Keeper and Shredder,etc.They also failed at that 4 times now.
Actually a really good anti-aggro card, not just with a good effect, but a nice defensive statline. With all the Battlecries Murlocs have, this might be enough to make Midrange Murloc Shaman a thing.
This card is actually slightly better than I though it was. I'm still not sure you can actually play it, but a 2/8 is over budget on stats with an upside not a drawback. That is kind of nuts, this thing is worth 10 stats at 4 mana, with an ability and people are looking at it and saying its unplayable. That is for 2 reasons. The first is that while its got a lot of stats they aren't allocated well. This doesn't kill many minions by attacking. The ability is generally going to be hard to trigger more than once a turn, twice at most in the late game, and the targeting is totally random, so you could miss the targets you need making the shots seem less valuable. Finally, its got a great defensive body, but doesn't have taunt. Aggro decks are likely to ignore this because while it might get value its slow as the hills and its trigging all over the place like a juggler wiping them out so it doesn't matter how much value could maybe get, they are just going to end you on turn 6 right through it.
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It wasn't inspired by this card though actually, I saw the legendaries and scanned through the classes for the best battlecry minions and saw things like mistcaller tuskar and argus.
At 274 for 3 it would have been great to counter aggro. In its current state I'm afraid it might be too slow. Can do great synegies in mid/late game with Bronzebeard and fire elemental. To be tested (but I'm not too confident about it).
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so you play this guy on turn 10 and bounce pandas all day. atleast 3 times and if i sticks for 1 turn you bounce pandas 5 times, you use abusive seargents with tuskarrs, arguss, fire ele, bgh. you also play bronzebeard because if he sticks 1 turn with pandas and abusives it could get crazy or even tuskarrs. imagine bouncing 2 tuskars with 1 panda then playing them both, the possibilities.
Brann Bronzebeard and this card in Midrange shaman. The synergy is real.
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Why would they put this on shaman a class with probably 1 or 2 playable class minions with battlecry? (one of the many issues with shaman).
Not to mention that it has be proved that 2/6 for 4 is not good.That's what four content patches in a row with 4 drops for shaman and each one of the is worst that the neutral 4 drop that everybody uses (shredder) what a waste.
Like always I hope that I'm wrong with my predictions but so far I have been right on each expansion being trash for shaman.
No more useless overload cards? Thx Blizz
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Gimmicky at best. Fireguard Destroyer is better and not played because of Shredder. If it was a random enemy minion then yeah maybe, but this is just too slow. If it hits a minion, it can finish it off with it's own body maybe and stay alive, but still, the other options seem stronger. Might be alright in certain arena drafts.
I'll be looking forward to Noxious' battlecry deck though,
It dosnt have to be better, it has to be good and have good sinergy with the class the same way zoo uses Voidcaller intead of Shredder,druid uses Keeper and Shredder,etc.They also failed at that 4 times now.
Actually a really good anti-aggro card, not just with a good effect, but a nice defensive statline. With all the Battlecries Murlocs have, this might be enough to make Midrange Murloc Shaman a thing.
wont see play. doesnt trade with shredder. Affect is good but its too slow.
This card is actually slightly better than I though it was. I'm still not sure you can actually play it, but a 2/8 is over budget on stats with an upside not a drawback. That is kind of nuts, this thing is worth 10 stats at 4 mana, with an ability and people are looking at it and saying its unplayable. That is for 2 reasons. The first is that while its got a lot of stats they aren't allocated well. This doesn't kill many minions by attacking. The ability is generally going to be hard to trigger more than once a turn, twice at most in the late game, and the targeting is totally random, so you could miss the targets you need making the shots seem less valuable. Finally, its got a great defensive body, but doesn't have taunt. Aggro decks are likely to ignore this because while it might get value its slow as the hills and its trigging all over the place like a juggler wiping them out so it doesn't matter how much value could maybe get, they are just going to end you on turn 6 right through it.
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It wasn't inspired by this card though actually, I saw the legendaries and scanned through the classes for the best battlecry minions and saw things like mistcaller tuskar and argus.
personally I think you went overboard just adding any Battlecry cards you could find
id just slot it in my current Midrange Shaman and pick the optional cards that have Battlecries
I really wanted an excuse for tournament favorite and to see how far the concept can viably go.
If the gimmicks don't work out they will be flattened out after release.
If a Battlecry focused Shaman deck can be good you probably want to add this card. Otherwise this Elemental won't see much play
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At 274 for 3 it would have been great to counter aggro. In its current state I'm afraid it might be too slow. Can do great synegies in mid/late game with Bronzebeard and fire elemental. To be tested (but I'm not too confident about it).
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I dont think this card will see play. It looks very slow and easy to remove...