Should the players get a full refund on all affected cards whenever nerfs are happening?
Example no. 1: Should players have received a full refund for their Mekgineer Thermaplugg when Leaper Gnome was nerfed?
Example no. 2: Should players receive a full refund for the cards they crafted in order to make decks with cards like Patches or Raza? Could potentially be Shadowreaper Anduin, Kazakus or Southsea Captain.
Disclaimer: I do not care about myself or my collection. I am only interested in your opinions if the players in generel should be offered dust for the affected cards (Either directly affected see example 1 or indirectly affected see example 2)
No. That would turn the game into a "craft whatever deck is the most oppressive, use it until it gets nerfed, then disenchant the whole deck and craft the next oppressive one" state which should never ever happen.
They can tell you that Southsea Captain will still have the same role as before the nerfed cards came out, and you should adapt to that, if you like it.
Or a bunch of niche players may rightfully claim some minor or indirect dependance, but combinations are too many to cover them all.
The only reasonable cases are those with clearly direct 1:1 interaction, such as Thermaplugg. But these are so few that they won't care about integrating (and enlarging) their refund policy...
That would be up to a whole lot of subjective opinion. You'd get a million forum threads from people wanting refunds for random peripheral cards every time a card is nerfed.
I see your point about mekgineer though, as the nerf to gnome was also a direct nerf to him.
Thermaplugg was an indirect nerf, the mechanic on the card worked the same afterwards. There should not never be a refund for something like this.
Also, only because you hopped on the bandwagon with Razakus shit, an obvious OP deck where some sort of nerf was obvious as fuck since months, you don't have to cry for refunds in every thread. The other cards work like they worked before. Try not to netdeck and think about other ways to play them.
Or else it
would turn the game into a "craft whatever deck is the most oppressive, use it until it gets nerfed, then disenchant the whole deck and craft the next oppressive one" state which should never ever happen.
I do get your point, many people crafted Southsea because it was a staple along with Patches in literally every aggressive deck, but think about how would they choose which cards are "affected". Is Kazakus affected by Raza since it's also a highlander card, but who knows if someone used it in, say, a Krulzakus deck instead of a Highlander Priest? Is Ship's Cannon or every single pirate affected by Patches? People would come up with the last desperate idea to somehow prove they crafted Keleseth, Sonya and whatnot because Patches is as good as it is.
You can always trust the untrustworthy because you can always trust that they will be untrustworthy. Its the trustworthy you can’t trust. – Captain Jack Sparrow!
Thermaplugg was an indirect nerf, the mechanic on the card worked the same afterwards. There should not never be a refund for something like this.
Also, only because you hopped on the bandwagon with Razakus shit, an obvious OP deck where some sort of nerf was obvious as fuck since months, you don't have to cry for refunds in every thread. The other cards work like they worked before. Try not to netdeck and think about other ways to play them.
Or else it
would turn the game into a "craft whatever deck is the most oppressive, use it until it gets nerfed, then disenchant the whole deck and craft the next oppressive one" state which should never ever happen.
That was a really rude answer to an academic question.
I did not cry in any other thread. I do not net deck and you are being an asshole right now. Could you stay on topic please?
People are allowed to craft and play ANY card Blizzard is offering in their game. Don’t take the high road by following a codecs that do not exist.
I am honestly curious if people think Blizzard should offer full refund on cards affected by nerfs such as the Mech. The card was nerfed but nobody cared because it didn’t see play.
It feels kinda wrong of Blizzard to allow players to craft, say, a golden Raza, golden Kazakus, golden Reno and golden whatever and then only offer refund for the one card which nerf destroyed the deck. Same goes with the Pirates etc etc etc.
Lowest common denominator should win here. If I intentionally crafted the card, there might be a case for some form of reimbursement. For those that packed any of the nerfed cards, they'd get dust for free.
A time window for allowing a full refund disenchant seems the best solution to me.
No, you should not get a refund on a card that has not been nerfed directly.
Same applies for decks. Raza priest is trash so people are now crying for a full dust refund for the entire deck although the other cards in it are perfectly functional and untouched.
You made the deck, go on and play it. If you think it is bad after the Raza nerf, then that is a general risk you take by crafting cards in a CCG.
If they would give you a refund of all potentially affected cards, you could ask with the same reasoning for a refund with every new expansion, because some cards you crafted might be worthless now after they released better cards (like Corpsetaker was a common card in Keleseth decks after KotfT and is not part of the meta any more due to better replacements). Crafting cards can always lead to losing dust. Surprise...
One might craft Velen, Showreaper Anduin, and Kazakus for the highlander priest deck; should the nerf give a full refund for three legendaries which are now not as useful? Ditto for Patches; losing him might break the entire pirate archetype.
The nerf will hurt some decks and make them worse. It will also make other decks better. I'm fine getting some dust back from Raza and corridor creepers (I'll likely hang onto Bonemare, and don't have patches.)
Thermaplugg was an indirect nerf, the mechanic on the card worked the same afterwards. There should not never be a refund for something like this.
Also, only because you hopped on the bandwagon with Razakus shit, an obvious OP deck where some sort of nerf was obvious as fuck since months, you don't have to cry for refunds in every thread. The other cards work like they worked before. Try not to netdeck and think about other ways to play them.
Or else it
would turn the game into a "craft whatever deck is the most oppressive, use it until it gets nerfed, then disenchant the whole deck and craft the next oppressive one" state which should never ever happen.
It does not boost your Intelligence claiming that someone did something they did indeed not.
I did not cry in any other thread. I do not net deck and you are being an unintelligent asshole right now. Could you please stay on topic or quit the game if it is too difficult to handle?
People are allowed to craft and play ANY card Blizzard is offering in their game. Don’t take the high road by following a codecs that do not exist.
I am honestly curious if people think Blizzard should offer full refund on cards affected by nerfs such as the Mech. The card was nerfed but nobody cared because it didn’t see play.
It feels kinda wrong of Blizzard to allow players to craft, say, a golden Raza, golden Kazakus, golden Reno and golden whatever and then only offer refund for the one card which nerf destroyed the deck. Same goes with the Pirates etc etc etc.
I take a look in your post history and you did it in two other threads.
And you answered yourself, why there should be nothing like you wish
People are allowed to craft and play ANY card Blizzard is offering in their game.
You are not forced to craft them to get those decks working. Most of the time there are even alternatives that work, slightly worse, but work. Noone forces you to craft those cards and so you dont deserve a refund. And especially when people craft golden cards...just no
No, you shouldn't get refunds on supporting cards. Getting full refunds on the nerfed cards I think is fair, and is more than you get from some games. It sucks if you sunk a bunch of dust into cards that you'll no longer use, but sometimes life is a gamble and you don't always win.
Honestly, I think it's more than enough that they let you DE nerfed cards for full value. If you're crafting T1 decks, chances are the cards in them will find a place in future decks. Asking for a dust refund on those cards because they got pushed out of the meta is like asking for a dust refund when a deck gets hard-countered by a more popular one.
Just stop DEing everything that's not T1 and enjoy the diversity that this game provides. People DE'd Keleseth and then cried when he became popular. People DE'd Skull thinking it would be utter trash and then cried when they lose out on Cubelock. I DE'd Alex when I started to make a murloc deck and then cried when I recrafted her a year later. Blizz doesn't owe you dust for mistakes you make. Craft cards because you enjoy them and then it doesn't matter if shit gets nerfed. I was one of the few people who actually used Mekgineer Thermaplugg in a deck (Ancestor's Call shaman) but that's life and how the game works.
Is Blizz some benevolent overload that showers gifts upon us? Not really. But people who are whining because Raza received a minor nerf and now their favourite deck is T2 except in wild where it's still just as good ruin this game for me. Your win rate maybe goes down 5% at most and that isn't even noticeable unless you're playing over 100 games with it per season. Nobody owes you dust to go instacraft the next FOTM T1 deck so please just accept that this hellish experience you've provided for everyone else is now over and you have to find some other way to cheat the system to acquire wins without needing skill.
Should the players get a full refund on all affected cards whenever nerfs are happening?
Example no. 1: Should players have received a full refund for their Mekgineer Thermaplugg when Leaper Gnome was nerfed?
Example no. 2: Should players receive a full refund for the cards they crafted in order to make decks with cards like Patches or Raza? Could potentially be Shadowreaper Anduin, Kazakus or Southsea Captain.
Disclaimer: I do not care about myself or my collection. I am only interested in your opinions if the players in generel should be offered dust for the affected cards (Either directly affected see example 1 or indirectly affected see example 2)
No.
No. That would turn the game into a "craft whatever deck is the most oppressive, use it until it gets nerfed, then disenchant the whole deck and craft the next oppressive one" state which should never ever happen.
While I value your answers, can I please ask you another question?
Do you not feel like the Mech was being nerfed but not given a full refund?
Indeed, it would be fair.
But in practice, how do you determine that?
They can tell you that Southsea Captain will still have the same role as before the nerfed cards came out, and you should adapt to that, if you like it.
Or a bunch of niche players may rightfully claim some minor or indirect dependance, but combinations are too many to cover them all.
The only reasonable cases are those with clearly direct 1:1 interaction, such as Thermaplugg. But these are so few that they won't care about integrating (and enlarging) their refund policy...
That would be up to a whole lot of subjective opinion. You'd get a million forum threads from people wanting refunds for random peripheral cards every time a card is nerfed.
I see your point about mekgineer though, as the nerf to gnome was also a direct nerf to him.
Don't care, already have enough dust for everything I want to play.
Thermaplugg was an indirect nerf, the mechanic on the card worked the same afterwards. There should not never be a refund for something like this.
Also, only because you hopped on the bandwagon with Razakus shit, an obvious OP deck where some sort of nerf was obvious as fuck since months, you don't have to cry for refunds in every thread. The other cards work like they worked before. Try not to netdeck and think about other ways to play them.
Or else it
I do get your point, many people crafted Southsea because it was a staple along with Patches in literally every aggressive deck, but think about how would they choose which cards are "affected". Is Kazakus affected by Raza since it's also a highlander card, but who knows if someone used it in, say, a Krulzakus deck instead of a Highlander Priest? Is Ship's Cannon or every single pirate affected by Patches? People would come up with the last desperate idea to somehow prove they crafted Keleseth, Sonya and whatnot because Patches is as good as it is.
Of cause not.
You can always trust the untrustworthy because you can always trust that they will be untrustworthy. Its the trustworthy you can’t trust.
– Captain Jack Sparrow!
Lowest common denominator should win here. If I intentionally crafted the card, there might be a case for some form of reimbursement. For those that packed any of the nerfed cards, they'd get dust for free.
A time window for allowing a full refund disenchant seems the best solution to me.
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No, you should not get a refund on a card that has not been nerfed directly.
Same applies for decks. Raza priest is trash so people are now crying for a full dust refund for the entire deck although the other cards in it are perfectly functional and untouched.
You made the deck, go on and play it. If you think it is bad after the Raza nerf, then that is a general risk you take by crafting cards in a CCG.
If they would give you a refund of all potentially affected cards, you could ask with the same reasoning for a refund with every new expansion, because some cards you crafted might be worthless now after they released better cards (like Corpsetaker was a common card in Keleseth decks after KotfT and is not part of the meta any more due to better replacements). Crafting cards can always lead to losing dust. Surprise...
Yes. Give spiteful summoner full refund because Bonemare now dilutes the 8 mana pool.
Anger is the punishment we give ourselves for someone else's mistake.
Yeah, this ends with too many threads to unravel.
One might craft Velen, Showreaper Anduin, and Kazakus for the highlander priest deck; should the nerf give a full refund for three legendaries which are now not as useful? Ditto for Patches; losing him might break the entire pirate archetype.
The nerf will hurt some decks and make them worse. It will also make other decks better. I'm fine getting some dust back from Raza and corridor creepers (I'll likely hang onto Bonemare, and don't have patches.)
And you answered yourself, why there should be nothing like you wish
You are not forced to craft them to get those decks working. Most of the time there are even alternatives that work, slightly worse, but work. Noone forces you to craft those cards and so you dont deserve a refund. And especially when people craft golden cards...just no
No, you shouldn't get refunds on supporting cards. Getting full refunds on the nerfed cards I think is fair, and is more than you get from some games. It sucks if you sunk a bunch of dust into cards that you'll no longer use, but sometimes life is a gamble and you don't always win.
Honestly, I think it's more than enough that they let you DE nerfed cards for full value. If you're crafting T1 decks, chances are the cards in them will find a place in future decks. Asking for a dust refund on those cards because they got pushed out of the meta is like asking for a dust refund when a deck gets hard-countered by a more popular one.
Just stop DEing everything that's not T1 and enjoy the diversity that this game provides. People DE'd Keleseth and then cried when he became popular. People DE'd Skull thinking it would be utter trash and then cried when they lose out on Cubelock. I DE'd Alex when I started to make a murloc deck and then cried when I recrafted her a year later. Blizz doesn't owe you dust for mistakes you make. Craft cards because you enjoy them and then it doesn't matter if shit gets nerfed. I was one of the few people who actually used Mekgineer Thermaplugg in a deck (Ancestor's Call shaman) but that's life and how the game works.
Is Blizz some benevolent overload that showers gifts upon us? Not really. But people who are whining because Raza received a minor nerf and now their favourite deck is T2 except in wild where it's still just as good ruin this game for me. Your win rate maybe goes down 5% at most and that isn't even noticeable unless you're playing over 100 games with it per season. Nobody owes you dust to go instacraft the next FOTM T1 deck so please just accept that this hellish experience you've provided for everyone else is now over and you have to find some other way to cheat the system to acquire wins without needing skill.