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Aviana should be put in Tier 4, as she isn't that popular and there aren't many decks with her.

A question for the Wild experts: I own Temporus and Blood-Queen Lana'thel. Both have never been staple in any kind of deck and will rotate in a month or so.

What should I do? Is it wise to keep them or should I dust them?

Consider that I think I'll play a little of Wild in the future, but I also need some dust due to HoF reasons.

Temporus is trash. Blood-Queen i saw few times in play.

i think High Priest Thekal should be at least in tier 3 wild 

duo to high roll potential with Molten Giant

every midrange and sometimes aggro paladins run this combo in wild

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i think High Priest Thekal should be at least in tier 3 wild 

duo to high roll potential with Molten Giant

every midrange and sometimes aggro paladins run this combo in wild

 Thanks, he got a special mention in tier 2 in the Wild section.

Why do you have Captain Hooktusk, a card that defines a pretty powerful deck, on the same level as Wardruid Loti and High Priestess Jeklik, who see no real play whatsoever?  Captain Hooktusk is THE strongest card in tempo rogue. It should be tier 2. 

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Why do you have Captain Hooktusk, a card that defines a pretty powerful deck, on the same level as Wardruid Loti and High Priestess Jeklik, who see no real play whatsoever?  Captain Hooktusk is THE strongest card in tempo rogue. It should be tier 2. 

 Thanks, I will look into it. The other 2 might be too high as well.

how many staple legendaries there are in Reno Warlock besides highlander-specific cards? Can I play without Krull even?

So excluding Reno, Kazakus and Kruul (rarely ever played in the deck), Renolocks tend to have the following:

• Brann Bronzbeard
• Zola the Gorgon
• Zilliax
• Lord Godfrey
• Malganis
• Blood Reaver Gul'Dan
• N'Zoth the Corruptor

Flex legendaries are:

• Emperor Thaurissan
• Rin, the First Disciple
• Sylvanas Windrunner

It's an expensive deck, and at the moment it isn't too well placed in the meta. But if you want to go for it, go for it.

Turns out I own almost all of them. Thanks for the info. Thinking about adding a better finisher like Mecha'tun instead of N'Zoth or Rin.

well Chesh000 pretty much say all things except some of the versions of renolock intend to run

 Glinda Crowskin ,Mechwarper and Zilliax for infinte zilliax board 

and u can also add Mecha'thun,Hemet, Jungle Hunter and Emperor Thaurissan with Bloodbloom and Cataclysm for a strong finisher

@SlydE: I noticed (already a while ago :D) that all the cards inside sets that soon rotate out received a wild tier classification. Thanks for that already! But would it not be better to really classify all cards for wild properly? Instead of having a list for wild-only sets, lets also add all the other sets to the wild section, no? Before Keleseth got a wild tier number i was wondering how good the card is in wild (didn't want to craft that card, if, after rotation, it's nigh useless). Because one basically never sees a Keleseth on wild ladder. But his standard tier classification was tier 1 or tier 2 most of the time.
Or e.g. right now Oondasta is sitting in Tier 1. In wild this is also a card that barely sees any play, probably rather tier 3 in wild - but that information cannot be extracted from the list.

But maybe that's a lot of extra work? Though even just a very rough classification might be better than no classification at all. The least where this might be quite a bit of gain/time, are the classic cards, since they are evergreen. And their wild classification does not change very much. And their classification might actually coincide quite a bit with standard classifications.

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@SlydE: I noticed (already a while ago :D) that all the cards inside sets that soon rotate out received a wild tier classification. Thanks for that already! But would it not be better to really classify all cards for wild properly? Instead of having a list for wild-only sets, lets also add all the other sets to the wild section, no? Before Keleseth got a wild tier number i was wondering how good the card is in wild (didn't want to craft that card, if, after rotation, it's nigh useless). Because one basically never sees a Keleseth on wild ladder. But his standard tier classification was tier 1 or tier 2 most of the time.
Or e.g. right now Oondasta is sitting in Tier 1. In wild this is also a card that barely sees any play, probably rather tier 3 in wild - but that information cannot be extracted from the list.

But maybe that's a lot of extra work? Though even just a very rough classification might be better than no classification at all

Yes, it is a lot of extra work, and it will make the Wild section much harder to navigate. The list was split into 2 posts for a reason! When the next rotation hits, the Wild-only list will be very long already!

I do not think listing every card in standard twice to help the very few people who craft Standard card for Wild play only is worth it, unfortunately. Many of them see very little play in Wild, so it would be a "wild" guess if some of them belong in tier 3 or tier 5.

The main focus is to make sure the Standard cards with special Wild synergies are mentioned. Recently, I think it made sense to list the Wild tiers of the cards that will rotate soon, they will go there anyway.

A compromise could be to list the Standard cards which make it to the the top 2 tiers in Wild, as they might not be that many. As a rule of thumb, the standard cards are 1 tier lower in Wild.

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Yes, it is a lot of extra work, and it will make the Wild section much harder to navigate. The list was split into 2 posts for a reason! When the next rotation hits, the Wild-only list will be very long already!

I do not think listing every card in standard twice to help the very few people who craft Standard card for Wild play only is worth it, unfortunately. Many of them see very little play in Wild, so it would be a "wild" guess if some of them belong in tier 3 or tier 5.

The main focus is to make sure the Standard cards with special Wild synergies are mentioned. Recently, I think it made sense to list the Wild tiers of the cards that will rotate soon, they will go there anyway.

A compromise could be to list the Standard cards which make it to the the top 2 tiers in Wild, as they might not be that many. As a rule of thumb, tha standard cards are 1 tier lower in Wild.

First off: thanks for the detailed response.

The extra work is best avoided, of course. Especially the more sets are out, the more work there is, because even very old cards might shift now and then in their tiers. So I totally do agree to cut you (and whoever else might maintain the list ;)) some slack :)

I don't really agree about the navigation part, adding the current standard sets to the list just makes it slightly longer (at least in the long run :D). But maybe I am misunderstnading something here?

I myself am a player that does not fit the "people who craft Standard card for Wild play only" category: I craft cards mainly for standard (but not only), but usually with wild in mind, so depending on where we are in any HS year, it might matter a lot whether the tiers of a card in standard & wild differ a lot. And while I don't know for sure I imagine there are quite a few people like me who do enjoy wild every now and then.

Your compromise idea is great. Hadn't thought of something like that myself. The note about the "rule of thumb" is actually also something good to add to the top of the wild tier list, don't you think? After saying that and following your compromise idea one could even rename the title from wild-only sets to wild sets. 
One could also extend that compromise slightly by also mentioning great performing standard cards that do poorly in wild. Like shaw/caverns below, which are powerhouses in standard but not in wild. I already saw that you did the other way round already :) But that would be yet again more work, obviously. And for standard-only/-mainly players, this matters little. They'd be crafting a shaw/caverns regardless of their power level in wild. (even I crafted a shaw, knowing very well that it performs poorly in wild)

btw, thanks for all the work you put in. Roffle didn't update his wild tierlist since boomsday, so the hearthpwn tierlist is the best resource i know that *also* looks at wild ;)

Slyde: I have an advice about Wild format: You have made wild rankings on Boomsday and Rastakhan's Rumble cards; so it'd accurate to make on Witchwood cards too.

Also I want to say that some cards in wild tier list need change:

• Firstly, Cho'gall should be demoted to tier 5. It has seen absolutely no competitive play since it's release, also his synergy with Violet Illusionist does not redeem the card.
• Also Gormok the Impaler should be downgraded to tier 4; it sees no play currently it has not even commonly used in swarm decks. I think Tier 3 is way too high for this card.

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Slyde: I have an advice about Wild format: You have made wild rankings on Boomsday and Rastakhan's Rumble cards; so it'd accurate to make on Witchwood cards too.

Also I want to say that some cards in wild tier list need change:

• Firstly, Cho'gall should be demoted to tier 5. It has seen absolutely no competitive play since it's release, also his synergy with Violet Illusionist does not redeem the card.
• Also Gormok the Impaler should be downgraded to tier 4; it sees no play currently it has not even commonly used in swarm decks. I think Tier 3 is way too high for this card.

 It is encouraging that the guy has attentive readers! The plan is to mention all Standard cards in t 1 and 2 in Wild. Will check the cards, ty.

I have added most of the Standard legendaries that are in tier 1 and 2 in Wild, and will add a little note on cards that are placed higher in Wild than in standard.

I hope it is useuful! At the very least a some of the work for when the rotation hits will be done already!

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I have added most of the Standard legendaries that are in tier 1 and 2 in Wild, and will add a little note on cards that are placed higher in Wild than in standard.

I hope it is useuful! At the very least a some of the work for when the rotation hits will be done already!

 Really usefull! Thanks for all the work you keep doing!

i'll just leave this comment to appreciate your effort guys, great work