So i've seen a few people worrying about the state of hunters in the new expansions, they don't know what direction hunter is taking and seem to think there are a lot of bad new cards.
That got me thinking and taking another look at all the new cards, I was curious to see if any class seems in a bad state in your opinion, and ultimately which class is in a great state ?
I know this is all speculation of course, but that's the point isn't it ? Not very interesting to answer these questions when the meta is settled.
In my opinion, demon hunters are in big trouble, if the deathrattle archetype doesn't work out, well there's nothing else but old decks butchered by nerfs and rotation. I'll be playing my off meta full outcast deck as usual.
Hunter cards aren't very impressive build around cards, but none of them are bad except Prospector's Caravan and can be played in pretty much every hunter deck, and I think a lot of people are sleeping on the 2 epics.
Druid got another ramp meme epic card, I don't know how Celestial Alignment can benefit the druid player more than the opponent in any way. I don't believe in the taunt archetype either. But living seed (rank 1), Pride's Fury and Druid of the Plains are insane cards, so it's all good.
Mage is all good with powerful freeze cards to replace frostbolt, nova and blizzard, another insane card draw, and great support cards for hero power deck. They even got a new face damage toy to play with.
Paladin I'm not sure, secret archetype seems fine, holy spell archetype is clearly incomplete and will have to wait for the mini set. The keleseth spell could be insanely good or complete trash.
Priest doing priest stuff and controling the board. All very good cards except the caravan (I guess all caravans suck) and Serena.
Rogue I think Yoink! and Oil Rig Ambusher and the only mediocre cards ? The octo-bot will spawn countless of OTK decks, the poisons are insane with the new weapon, there's a replacement for eviscerate, card draw, mana cheating.. Rogues being OP as usual, I don't mind.
Shaman gets insane murlocs and decent elementals, spell damage synergy, 0 card draw as usual (bad blizzard !) and 0 card generation for a change (good blizzard !).
Warlock gets an auto include in control decks (Tamsin), a 1 mana Void Contract, and 8 trash cards. I'm a little bit worried but warlock can always find a way to build aggro decks using the neutral cards.
Warrior gets the best card in the set (in the game?) Outrider's Axe and honestly, all the other cards look super intersting as well.
I think Warrior and Rogue are in a great state. Mage, Hunter, Shaman, Druid and Priest are in a good state. Demon hunter and Warlock are in trouble. Paladin is unknown. This is based on the barrens cards only, not the core set or the other expansions.
Priest is in a good state? What deck are priest players going to play????
Just play good control cards, a nice curve and some neutral finisher like c'thun or yogg, priest never needed a real deck, it's going to be an aggro meta like nearly every meta, enjoy ! 7 out of the 10 new cards are great control tools.
Warrior, rogue and mage got the best picks I think. Shaman and warlock will be extremely aggro. Paladin has some interesting cards but I don’t know how strong the secret package will be.
Priest got some really bad cards. There will be no more rez for priest but warriors got rez. Priest lost silence and mass dispel, but demon hunter has a silence and now mass dispel. The new shadowform costs priest all of the heal synergy, but offers maximum 2 damage per hero power, mage got wildfire which can go above 2 damage and has hero power damage synergy. The board clears priest got are situational and the removal is over costed. Other classes all got cards that do what priest does (control) better than priest. Priest has been garbage this last year and will continue to be garbage. If blizz can’t give priest the tools it needs to do what the class is supposed to do, they should just get rid of it.
Warrior got a very good set, with lots of cards that are good independantly, and independant of the deck you're playing. Good card draw, which it seems some other classes aren't allowed to get (poor shaman and priest). It seems they got good enough draw and tools to bring back classic control warrior, however not a lot of big threats to boast.
Druid got some pretty insane cards if you're playing token other than that the taunt archetype might see play, maybe, as a strong counter to aggro.
Shaman got gutted i feel. Half of their cards are stricly for murloc shaman, the other cards, while they would want to setup for either elemental shaman, or spell damage shaman, still do not fix the total absence of card draw the class has.
Priest, althought it got some pretty good anti-aggro tools, is an enigma as to what their win condition is going to be against control.
Dh seems to be a joke right now, basically after they created the class they supported the original archetypes of aggro, face attacks, token or big demon, but now that they have to come up with new stuff they have 0 idea what to do and it's showing.
Priest is in a good state? What deck are priest players going to play????
Corrupt Priest i guess that is still kinda decent but without Wild Pyromance it loses its best tool against token druid and aggro in general. Apotheosis + Wild Pyro was honestly the only answer to early wide board (Tokens, Zoo, Stealth). Hysteria is hard to play when there is 5 minions with very similar stats.
Warlock FitB set is a hot pile of garbage, but that doesnt matter cuz the core set is balls to the walls amazing for control and there are enough stuff for zoo to play, so the weak set is irrelevant.
Demon Hunter class set is also very weak but like warlock, it doesnt matter; the old sets are more than enough to carry the class, very dissapointing deathrattle stuff though.
Warrior has a very weak core set but got enough good class cards to compensate, control taunt warrior will certainly be a thing. Sad they had to screw Warriors chances at having an agressive deck with Nitroboost nerf, zero incentive to play that kind of strategy.
Mage won big, the only non-weapon class with powerful burn left, secret mage and the hero power support will see play for sure. Paladin also got a great set, secret libram pally is ez legend.
Shaman will do great with murlocs, but any control attempt is dead and buried *sigh*.
Rogue still will reign supreme, the nitro nerf wont be enough to stop it.
Druid + Hunter + Priest = CUCKED. Hunter in particular has no old strategy to fall back on, the class is very dead until the miniset.
I think it's pretty typical for most people (myself included until I realized this) tend to either be extremely down on the cards their favorite class gets because their wants or expectations are incredibly high, or extremely up on them out of bias.
My favorite classes are Druid, Hunter, Shaman, and Rogue - though I mainly play Rogue and Shaman in Wild for memes. I'm content with Druid's list, figuring that a Token strategy will probably flourish with crazy pop-off turns with Guff Runetotem and the many nature spells that either ramp you or summon tokens. Hunter looks like it has some powerful opportunities for some cool Midrange strategies, especially now that the game is becoming more minion based.
Shaman is getting excellent cards for my two favorite tribes, Murlocs and Elementals. Whether or not any of that is competitive isn't relevant to how pleased I am that those cards now exist. And Rogue is incredibly powerful, and received multiple very strong cards. I can't complain!
It's important to remember in our pessimism that we can't really compare Hearthstone in early April to Hearthstone as it is right now. The entire game is getting a massive power shift downward, with some of the most powerful cards we've ever seen which came from the Year of the Dragon leaving standard, as well as the Core Set rotating multiple power cards out of every class and replacing them with more niche ones. What we'll be getting will be powerful for Hearthstone as it will be, I'm sure. Definitely not powerful compared to Hearthstone as it is, mostly. I'm looking at you, Scabbs Cutterbutter and Field Contact.
My winners would be Mage and Rogue. And I wouldn't underestimate Warrior.
My only loser is Demon Hunter, but that's completely fine with me and they already have two decks that are (and probably will be) good enough to climb.
Priest is in a good state? What deck are priest players going to play????
Corrupt Priest i guess that is still kinda decent but without Wild Pyromance it loses its best tool against token druid and aggro in general. Apotheosis + Wild Pyro was honestly the only answer to early wide board (Tokens, Zoo, Stealth). Hysteria is hard to play when there is 5 minions with very similar stats.
Still?! :/
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So i've seen a few people worrying about the state of hunters in the new expansions, they don't know what direction hunter is taking and seem to think there are a lot of bad new cards.
That got me thinking and taking another look at all the new cards, I was curious to see if any class seems in a bad state in your opinion, and ultimately which class is in a great state ?
I know this is all speculation of course, but that's the point isn't it ? Not very interesting to answer these questions when the meta is settled.
In my opinion, demon hunters are in big trouble, if the deathrattle archetype doesn't work out, well there's nothing else but old decks butchered by nerfs and rotation. I'll be playing my off meta full outcast deck as usual.
Hunter cards aren't very impressive build around cards, but none of them are bad except Prospector's Caravan and can be played in pretty much every hunter deck, and I think a lot of people are sleeping on the 2 epics.
Druid got another ramp meme epic card, I don't know how Celestial Alignment can benefit the druid player more than the opponent in any way. I don't believe in the taunt archetype either. But living seed (rank 1), Pride's Fury and Druid of the Plains are insane cards, so it's all good.
Mage is all good with powerful freeze cards to replace frostbolt, nova and blizzard, another insane card draw, and great support cards for hero power deck. They even got a new face damage toy to play with.
Paladin I'm not sure, secret archetype seems fine, holy spell archetype is clearly incomplete and will have to wait for the mini set. The keleseth spell could be insanely good or complete trash.
Priest doing priest stuff and controling the board. All very good cards except the caravan (I guess all caravans suck) and Serena.
Rogue I think Yoink! and Oil Rig Ambusher and the only mediocre cards ? The octo-bot will spawn countless of OTK decks, the poisons are insane with the new weapon, there's a replacement for eviscerate, card draw, mana cheating.. Rogues being OP as usual, I don't mind.
Shaman gets insane murlocs and decent elementals, spell damage synergy, 0 card draw as usual (bad blizzard !) and 0 card generation for a change (good blizzard !).
Warlock gets an auto include in control decks (Tamsin), a 1 mana Void Contract, and 8 trash cards. I'm a little bit worried but warlock can always find a way to build aggro decks using the neutral cards.
Warrior gets the best card in the set (in the game?) Outrider's Axe and honestly, all the other cards look super intersting as well.
I think Warrior and Rogue are in a great state. Mage, Hunter, Shaman, Druid and Priest are in a good state. Demon hunter and Warlock are in trouble. Paladin is unknown. This is based on the barrens cards only, not the core set or the other expansions.
Priest is in a good state? What deck are priest players going to play????
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First glance winners: Warrior, Mage, Paladin
First glance losers: Demon Hunter, Hunter, Warlock
This is just based on their class cards. Neutrals and Other Set synergies can shift this radically.
Just play good control cards, a nice curve and some neutral finisher like c'thun or yogg, priest never needed a real deck, it's going to be an aggro meta like nearly every meta, enjoy ! 7 out of the 10 new cards are great control tools.
I'm interested to know why you think Paladin is a winner, is it because of the secret package, the holy package or the keleseth spell ?
Warrior, rogue and mage got the best picks I think. Shaman and warlock will be extremely aggro. Paladin has some interesting cards but I don’t know how strong the secret package will be.
Priest got some really bad cards. There will be no more rez for priest but warriors got rez. Priest lost silence and mass dispel, but demon hunter has a silence and now mass dispel. The new shadowform costs priest all of the heal synergy, but offers maximum 2 damage per hero power, mage got wildfire which can go above 2 damage and has hero power damage synergy. The board clears priest got are situational and the removal is over costed. Other classes all got cards that do what priest does (control) better than priest. Priest has been garbage this last year and will continue to be garbage. If blizz can’t give priest the tools it needs to do what the class is supposed to do, they should just get rid of it.
They got enough stuff to support the board trade midrange focus this expansion has going for it. Lots of wide swarm.
Warrior got a very good set, with lots of cards that are good independantly, and independant of the deck you're playing. Good card draw, which it seems some other classes aren't allowed to get (poor shaman and priest). It seems they got good enough draw and tools to bring back classic control warrior, however not a lot of big threats to boast.
Druid got some pretty insane cards if you're playing token other than that the taunt archetype might see play, maybe, as a strong counter to aggro.
Shaman got gutted i feel. Half of their cards are stricly for murloc shaman, the other cards, while they would want to setup for either elemental shaman, or spell damage shaman, still do not fix the total absence of card draw the class has.
Priest, althought it got some pretty good anti-aggro tools, is an enigma as to what their win condition is going to be against control.
Dh seems to be a joke right now, basically after they created the class they supported the original archetypes of aggro, face attacks, token or big demon, but now that they have to come up with new stuff they have 0 idea what to do and it's showing.
Corrupt Priest i guess that is still kinda decent but without Wild Pyromance it loses its best tool against token druid and aggro in general. Apotheosis + Wild Pyro was honestly the only answer to early wide board (Tokens, Zoo, Stealth). Hysteria is hard to play when there is 5 minions with very similar stats.
Warlock FitB set is a hot pile of garbage, but that doesnt matter cuz the core set is balls to the walls amazing for control and there are enough stuff for zoo to play, so the weak set is irrelevant.
Demon Hunter class set is also very weak but like warlock, it doesnt matter; the old sets are more than enough to carry the class, very dissapointing deathrattle stuff though.
Warrior has a very weak core set but got enough good class cards to compensate, control taunt warrior will certainly be a thing. Sad they had to screw Warriors chances at having an agressive deck with Nitroboost nerf, zero incentive to play that kind of strategy.
Mage won big, the only non-weapon class with powerful burn left, secret mage and the hero power support will see play for sure. Paladin also got a great set, secret libram pally is ez legend.
Shaman will do great with murlocs, but any control attempt is dead and buried *sigh*.
Rogue still will reign supreme, the nitro nerf wont be enough to stop it.
Druid + Hunter + Priest = CUCKED. Hunter in particular has no old strategy to fall back on, the class is very dead until the miniset.
I think Druid will be very strong with token Druid being a tier 1 deck. Deck just seems far stronger than it has been played to me.
Priest has zero decks that I can see. I'm not sure they would fair well vs. Classic decks right now.
Hunter, I'm not so sure. Hunter is usually always pretty competitive.
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W/o Savage Roar? Seems unlikely. Do you have a list that looks promising?
Not especially, but I was thinking Barren's Blacksmith and Penflinger in a spell centric token Druid would be pretty good.
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Tempo/Miracle Rogues are the winners, but thief and shuffle rogues are the losers.
I think it's pretty typical for most people (myself included until I realized this) tend to either be extremely down on the cards their favorite class gets because their wants or expectations are incredibly high, or extremely up on them out of bias.
My favorite classes are Druid, Hunter, Shaman, and Rogue - though I mainly play Rogue and Shaman in Wild for memes. I'm content with Druid's list, figuring that a Token strategy will probably flourish with crazy pop-off turns with Guff Runetotem and the many nature spells that either ramp you or summon tokens. Hunter looks like it has some powerful opportunities for some cool Midrange strategies, especially now that the game is becoming more minion based.
Shaman is getting excellent cards for my two favorite tribes, Murlocs and Elementals. Whether or not any of that is competitive isn't relevant to how pleased I am that those cards now exist. And Rogue is incredibly powerful, and received multiple very strong cards. I can't complain!
It's important to remember in our pessimism that we can't really compare Hearthstone in early April to Hearthstone as it is right now. The entire game is getting a massive power shift downward, with some of the most powerful cards we've ever seen which came from the Year of the Dragon leaving standard, as well as the Core Set rotating multiple power cards out of every class and replacing them with more niche ones. What we'll be getting will be powerful for Hearthstone as it will be, I'm sure. Definitely not powerful compared to Hearthstone as it is, mostly. I'm looking at you, Scabbs Cutterbutter and Field Contact.
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My winners would be Mage and Rogue. And I wouldn't underestimate Warrior.
My only loser is Demon Hunter, but that's completely fine with me and they already have two decks that are (and probably will be) good enough to climb.
Still?! :/
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