I still think blizz is paranoid about somehow making priest OP. Shaman was bad for a long time, then all of a sudden they are tier 1. Honestly though, I think its almost impossible to make a class seriously OP. There should always be a counter/anti-meta to keep that from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, idk. I think priest is getting there, but isn't there yet, we will see I guess. If there was a Unicorn priest deck out there I'm fairly certain someone would have figured it out by now. We also have to take into account that priest in general is more of a control type class. It takes much more thought to play a control deck than a face deck as we all know. More people are going to grind to legend with a face deck than a control deck. Games in a control match tend to take 2-3 times as long than going face. Some people are going to gravitate to ways that they can Min/Max. As in, "I'm going to play something that will get me to legend as fast as possible." I'm speaking in terms of Standard ladder.
The thing about Priest is that its not a shit class. It's just shit in this meta. But if this were a control meta, they would be so good. For example, they have one of the best basic set. It's just that it's way too slow. Take Paladin. They have Consecration for four mana they can wipe a Zoolock's board clean. And Priest has a five mana Consecration with a 1 mana Aoe heal. Yet, Priest and Paladin have a hard time beating Zoo because Zoo keeps shitting on them by rebuilding a board. Priest which has more AOE like Circle-Auchenai, Excavated Evil, and Shadow Word: Horror and even runs Doomsayer and Wild Pyro at times can't beat Zoo any better than Paladin can. Zoo lock is just op and unless the meta changes, priest will keep getting shitted on by zoo, aggro, midrange, everything except control. So the real question to ask is how do you make Priest's meta better? Make Paladin stronger, Zoo weaker. This way Priest can be the counter to Paladin and yet not have Zoo be a weakness. But Warrior can remain untouched as it keeps Priest in check and Priest keeps Paladin in check. And Paladin keeps Warrior in check.
In a ressurect priest you have too aggressively mulligan for pyro against zoo, If you get pyro then well most of the time the zoo matchups will be a peace of cake since youle be ressurecting pyro alot and just clear board basically every turn. I have found the zoo matchup quiet easily since building my ressurect priest but i have been lucky asswell i gues getting pyro alot..and if not pyro then barnes pulls me a bog greeper. but yeah if no pyro and no barnes luck then it is hard excavated evil only helps so much but not enough.
So as everyone else, you think that the solution is giving the class tempo cards. Congrats, you have the same mentality that blizzard has and the game has become shit because of it. Intead of giving classes tempo cards, making almost every match based on having 1-2-3 drops in the right turns, we should instead ask for better board clears, better healingand defensive cards, which would open a whole bunch of opportunities of cool decks to compete. But yea, lets cry because a reactive class doesn't have 1-2-3 solid drops like the fucking worst meta ever.
That entire response was putting words in my mouth. I did not say that giving priest tempo cards was the solution. I said that giving them one more good 2 OR 3 drop would not turn the class into a snowball zoo class, and I stand by that statement.
You want my solution? Priest should have a 1 mana spell that deals 3 damage to the opponent's face, so that Prophet Velen combo decks become more viable. Or priest needs a new *good* high costed board clear, to put control priest back on the high tier list.
If Hearthstone were mine to design and refine, the game would be nothing but turn 10+ combo decks, and a few cards like Loatheb to stimulate intelligent play so that the game doesn't degrade into "who has combo first"
Please don't accuse me of being one of the reasons this game is a tempo-fest, nor for causing the game to "become shit"
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I still think blizz is paranoid about somehow making priest OP. Shaman was bad for a long time, then all of a sudden they are tier 1. Honestly though, I think its almost impossible to make a class seriously OP. There should always be a counter/anti-meta to keep that from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, idk. I think priest is getting there, but isn't there yet, we will see I guess. If there was a Unicorn priest deck out there I'm fairly certain someone would have figured it out by now. We also have to take into account that priest in general is more of a control type class. It takes much more thought to play a control deck than a face deck as we all know. More people are going to grind to legend with a face deck than a control deck. Games in a control match tend to take 2-3 times as long than going face. Some people are going to gravitate to ways that they can Min/Max. As in, "I'm going to play something that will get me to legend as fast as possible." I'm speaking in terms of Standard ladder.
Honestly it wouldn't take much to shove Priest waaaaay over the top. They have to be really careful with Priest card design because Priest is already top flight in Wild, so too much more will basically turn Wild into a Priest-fest more so than it already is. Even in Standard they don't really need much though, since Resurrect Priest is definitely good (albeit inconsistent) and they're a board clear away from being practically unbeatable. I don't expect a low-cost board clear for Priest for a long time (if ever) due to the class's state in Wild; if they got a low-costed board clear, the meta would be a nightmare.
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So as everyone else, you think that the solution is giving the class tempo cards. Congrats, you have the same mentality that blizzard has and the game has become shit because of it. Intead of giving classes tempo cards, making almost every match based on having 1-2-3 drops in the right turns, we should instead ask for better board clears, better healingand defensive cards, which would open a whole bunch of opportunities of cool decks to compete. But yea, lets cry because a reactive class doesn't have 1-2-3 solid drops like the fucking worst meta ever.
That entire response was putting words in my mouth. I did not say that giving priest tempo cards was the solution. I said that giving them one more good 2 OR 3 drop would not turn the class into a snowball zoo class, and I stand by that statement.
You want my solution? Priest should have a 1 mana spell that deals 3 damage to the opponent's face, so that Prophet Velen combo decks become more viable. Or priest needs a new *good* high costed board clear, to put control priest back on the high tier list.
If Hearthstone were mine to design and refine, the game would be nothing but turn 10+ combo decks, and a few cards like Loatheb to stimulate intelligent play so that the game doesn't degrade into "who has combo first"
Please don't accuse me of being one of the reasons this game is a tempo-fest, nor for causing the game to "become shit"
I think I know you from TappedOut. :)
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I must be especially retarded cuz Priest is currently the class giving me the biggest nightmares as a Rogue player.
Shaman face ? Well, draw dependant, but if I remove Trogg and 7/7, it should be k
Hunter secret/midrange ? Call of the tard = lose, else win
Any warrior ? Can hold the fight with Arcane giants/Edwin/Removals
Priest ? Most of the time I lose 0-30. I feel totally powerless when he drag a Sylvanas or an Injured Blademaster out of Barnes and use Onyx Bishop, or when I FINALLY take control of the game and he runs Priest of the full HP. I mean, Onyx was told by most players to be MEH. Why this card is raping me so much ?!
You must be, priest and paladin(control) are rogues easiest MUs. You're playing Miracle I'm guessing? The MU is so good for miracle (Maly and regular). The dream meta for miracle is full of priests.
I still think blizz is paranoid about somehow making priest OP. Shaman was bad for a long time, then all of a sudden they are tier 1. Honestly though, I think its almost impossible to make a class seriously OP. There should always be a counter/anti-meta to keep that from happening. Maybe I'm wrong, idk. I think priest is getting there, but isn't there yet, we will see I guess. If there was a Unicorn priest deck out there I'm fairly certain someone would have figured it out by now. We also have to take into account that priest in general is more of a control type class. It takes much more thought to play a control deck than a face deck as we all know. More people are going to grind to legend with a face deck than a control deck. Games in a control match tend to take 2-3 times as long than going face. Some people are going to gravitate to ways that they can Min/Max. As in, "I'm going to play something that will get me to legend as fast as possible." I'm speaking in terms of Standard ladder.
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Priest isn't dead, but you know, it's actually the worst class... I think it need some Aggro cards,or spells
Something like "Naaru Portal" 3 mana, restore 4 health of all minions, summon a 3 cost minion.
Isn't that bad... and can summon Injured Blademaster.
Legendaries Opened: Tirion Fordring * Ysera * Dreadscale * Malorne * Cenarius * Captain Greenskin * Two fucking Nat, the Darkfisher * The Lich King * Deathwing * Hemet, Jungle Hunter * Malfurion The Pestlent (adv)
Legendaries Crafted: Deathwing, Dragonlord * Alexstrasza * Chillmaw * Kel'Thuzad
Nature is the Day.
Man is the Sun.
Woman is the Moon.
The Stone is the Sky.
The Art is the Way.
Nature is the Day.
Man is the Sun.
Woman is the Moon.
The Stone is the Sky.
The Art is the Way.
Imade this in 5 seconds, it was just a example...
Legendaries Opened: Tirion Fordring * Ysera * Dreadscale * Malorne * Cenarius * Captain Greenskin * Two fucking Nat, the Darkfisher * The Lich King * Deathwing * Hemet, Jungle Hunter * Malfurion The Pestlent (adv)
Legendaries Crafted: Deathwing, Dragonlord * Alexstrasza * Chillmaw * Kel'Thuzad
Pili pala combo connoisseur at your service ;)
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Shit class. Need cheap 2 for 1 cards or good draw mechanic.
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