Hearthpwn

Why is adding people such a fucking fiesta? I add people, to be nice, and they either go, "What?' or "Yeah?" or flame me because I guess they think I'm about to flame them, but I always just say GG. They then proceed to tell me how they expect to be flamed. To which I can't help but think, "Really? Maybe its how you greet people?" Things like GG or just waiting to see what they say before spewing off like a fucking moron could actually lead to positive interactions. IDK how triggered I get when someone says What or Yeah. Fucking grow up. If we were playing face to face after the game and I stuck my hand out to shake your hand, IE a show of friendship/respect, would you stare at me like a moron and say What or Yeah; or would you shake my hand and say Good Game? HS has no fucking respect for itself and its players have no respect for themselves or each other. Its a joke.

Ok, gonna rant a bit about Bargain Hunter. Yes, it has Hunter in the name, but the art is a Gnome Rogue, 100%. The effect also makes almost no sense in Hunter. Its driving me crazy! Why do people like this card? Sure, clever name, but everything else about it is a out of whack. WHY?!?! Can anyone explain it to me?

 Designed to fit any Druid deck, while also maintaining some of that flavor from Raven Idol, affecting minions or spells. Hope you like it.

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And my point is about the process.

Having 4 pages of dialogue about why one card should win, and why the others won't, derails that process.

How is debating cards not the process? You basically just admitted you want to shut down debate by implying there's something wrong with having 4 pages of it. The longer and livelier the discussion of the cards, the better.

First of all... I have absolutely NOTHING to admit to, and I am now calling you out for trying to put words in my mouth.  This is just ONE EXAMPLE of why I think it is counterproductive to have the discussion open on the final poll while the votes are still running.

I don't particularly care for being told what my opinion should be, our having someone try to mouthpiece their opinions over others.  I also feel that it is crass and in poor taste to have to wade through multiple pages of people telling me why they think X card should win or how Y card is the worst card ever made ... while people are still voting. 

And however you personally feel... I am especially dismayed whenever I see it done by people with the previous winner banner.  Not only because it borders on disrespect and elitism over every entry that qualified and was selected ... but mainly because -- whether they realize it or not (or want to admit it or not), that banner confers with it an implied authority that DOES, IN FACT influence some peoples votes.  Every time I read some previous champion lauding or railing-against someone's card, there is a small part of me that wants to reach out and say "hey man, why don't you just gtfo and give someone else a chance to win?"

This isn't to say that I don't value others opinions, in fact I feel I have a pretty decent track record for taking criticism and having it improve my own affairs/designs.  However, I have noticed over the past few votes, a sharp uptick in aggrandizing and self-important banter in the final poll thread, and I think it should be minimized while voting is still in progress.

And just to make it clear and concise before anyone ELSE decides to tell me what I am ACTUALLY saying... I will state plainly:

I feel the simplest solution is to lock the Final Poll discussion until voting has ended.

 

This prevents off-topic shenanigans, personal vendettas, and biases from influencing the vote.  Before that time we have a whole separate discussion thread for people to bring out their soapboxes, and that discussion should happen THERE until the final votes are tallied so that this thread can be about (gasp) the final poll... and not about what cards other members do and do not want me to vote for.

That is MY opinion.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but don't you DARE try to put words in my mouth or undermine my point by telling me I am saying anything but that.

This is very hypocritical. You're going on about how previous winners should give someone else a chance to win. Except that I was strongly advocating for a newcomer to win over someone who has won 5 times before. If anything, you should be on my side.

Also, you tell me not to put words in your mouth, but you are saying exactly what I said you are. You just said here that we shouldn't be talking about which cards should win until after the voting is over. How is that not saying that we should shut down debate?

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And my point is about the process.

Having 4 pages of dialogue about why one card should win, and why the others won't, derails that process.

How is debating cards not the process? You basically just admitted you want to shut down debate by implying there's something wrong with having 4 pages of it. The longer and livelier the discussion of the cards, the better.

First of all... I have absolutely NOTHING to admit to, and I am now calling you out for trying to put words in my mouth.  This is just ONE EXAMPLE of why I think it is counterproductive to have the discussion open on the final poll while the votes are still running.

I don't particularly care for being told what my opinion should be, our having someone try to mouthpiece their opinions over others.  I also feel that it is crass and in poor taste to have to wade through multiple pages of people telling me why they think X card should win or how Y card is the worst card ever made ... while people are still voting. 

And however you personally feel... I am especially dismayed whenever I see it done by people with the previous winner banner.  Not only because it borders on disrespect and elitism over every entry that qualified and was selected ... but mainly because -- whether they realize it or not (or want to admit it or not), that banner confers with it an implied authority that DOES, IN FACT influence some peoples votes.  Every time I read some previous champion lauding or railing-against someone's card, there is a small part of me that wants to reach out and say "hey man, why don't you just gtfo and give someone else a chance to win?"

This isn't to say that I don't value others opinions, in fact I feel I have a pretty decent track record for taking criticism and having it improve my own affairs/designs.  However, I have noticed over the past few votes, a sharp uptick in aggrandizing and self-important banter in the final poll thread, and I think it should be minimized while voting is still in progress.

And just to make it clear and concise before anyone ELSE decides to tell me what I am ACTUALLY saying... I will state plainly:

I feel the simplest solution is to lock the Final Poll discussion until voting has ended.

 

This prevents off-topic shenanigans, personal vendettas, and biases from influencing the vote.  Before that time we have a whole separate discussion thread for people to bring out their soapboxes, and that discussion should happen THERE until the final votes are tallied so that this thread can be about (gasp) the final poll... and not about what cards other members do and do not want me to vote for.

That is MY opinion.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but don't you DARE try to put words in my mouth or undermine my point by telling me I am saying anything but that.

 

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Here's the deal. The card isn't bad. Its not glaringly over or under powered, but it is very flavorful. Did the creator go in with this idea in the giant lore related epiphany? Probably not. Did he take time to research a character and create a flavorful card that would appeal to people? Yes. Is that bad? Hell no!!! He put in the work to make the card attractive. That's called development. Its not a bad thing or a fault. Its smart and well done. Had the execution been bad in any way I would have faulted it. You know me. I faulted the Fintastic Four, and I'm the guy who made all my Racer legendaries tied to comic books. But that execution wasn't good and I didn't vote for it. Yes, he used brand recognition, but he did it well. That's only worthy of praise if you ask me. Not disrespect.

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I don't really get all the hype around Arrow of Polymorph. Its incredibly unreliable. Its not going to be bad enough often enough to make it better against enemy minions than Polymorph, and its not going to be good enough enough of the time to used to upgrade your cheaper minions. I just don't understand why this card appeals to people. I do think the design is very interesting, and again, does meld the two classes well, but I feel like the cost is completely wrong and the effect is too broad, even with discover to be good. The art isn't super HS related, or that well indicative of the effect in question either. So its missing flavor there. 

This was a cool week, and there are some cool cards, but there are also a lot of what I would consider wording and functionality errors in the finals. As someone who has made a Ner'Zhul in the past I have to say its my personal favorite this week. The flavor is killer, the class combo is perfect. Its really just a cool card. Honorable mention to The Fintasic Four, just because I love comics hahaha. There were some missed opportunities and balance issues with it though, so I couldn't quite vote for it.

This week is all about flavor for me. The card has to justify being a dual-class card, and Arrow of Polymorph does that perfectly. The mechanic is simple and melds the themes of the two classes in a believable way. 

What I don't understand is the appeal of Ner'zhul. His effect doesn't make any sense. It's just a random effect with a famous WoW character tacked on. Why should this be a dual class card? It's not even a particularly interesting effect.

 Well, as a Warcraft fan, and a bit of a lore fan, Ner'zhul hits those notes correctly. Ner'Zhul was a powerful Shaman, one of the most powerful ever in fact. He was fooled by Kil'Jaeden into making a bloodpact with him, thus forsaking his Shamanistic powers and becoming the first Warlock. After getting over his initial shock at finding out about his deception, he turned toward his new power to find his revenge. Eventually he would gain the gift of True Vision, the ability to see the future, which would allow him to set his plans into motion. Finalizing with him becoming the Lich King, and immortal unstoppable force of vengeance. I thought it was a very cool interpretation of the character.

nobravery has said before he doesn't know anything about WoW lore, so that's you reading more into the effect than there is. You shouldn't credit him with an understanding of Ner'zhul.  

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Thief of Illusions - I don't understand why this card made it here. It's basically making ethereal peddler available for priest. Changing the effect from a battlecry to a persistent effect does not represent enough creativity for me. Quite bummed this card made it here, and my Rogue/Priest blended card was overlooked, cuz I think mine blended the classes in a more interesting way.

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 Your card seems largely non functional though. I mean it only ever works if your in a mirror match as you need the cards in your deck to draw them and at 4 mana that's... completely garbage.

Arrow of Polymorth: The flavor on this card is rather bad when you realize discover adds the card to your hand so whatever you transform the thing to you get a copy of. You could claim the card doesn't do that but then it's just poor wording as it goes against every other discover card in the game.

Cards I'm not a fan of:

Bad-Tempered Spider: It's a fine card, but it's just so basic. Cards with only the basic keywords just seem weird to see in the finals of a CCC. It also doesn't really fit the stitched theme in my mind. It seems like a good neutral minion.

Snailcat: Similar to the card above, this only has basic keywords and that feels more like a filler card in an expansion than a CCC winner.

Thief of Illusions: It's just soooo similar to Ethereal Peddler that I can't get behind it.

My favorites:

Possessed Totem: The flavor! Plus it's pretty cool how you'll need to kill it yourself if your desperate enough for healing.

Gag: It's been a card I've thought about for quite awhile and it just makes so much sense as a stitched card.

Exploit Weakness: A really cool card mechanically. Using it's versatility is key to making it worthwhile as using it with a Whirlwind or something everytime will just be worse than Sleep with the Fishes. I do feel it'd end up less fun in practice than on paper though but maybe not!

Good luck to everyone!

That's not fair to Arrow of Polymorph. We had a long discussion about how best to word the card so that it was clear that you don't add the card to your hand. Those of us discussing it came to a consensus that this was the best blend of clarity and simplicity. 

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I don't really get all the hype around Arrow of Polymorph. Its incredibly unreliable. Its not going to be bad enough often enough to make it better against enemy minions than Polymorph, and its not going to be good enough enough of the time to used to upgrade your cheaper minions. I just don't understand why this card appeals to people. I do think the design is very interesting, and again, does meld the two classes well, but I feel like the cost is completely wrong and the effect is too broad, even with discover to be good. The art isn't super HS related, or that well indicative of the effect in question either. So its missing flavor there. 

This was a cool week, and there are some cool cards, but there are also a lot of what I would consider wording and functionality errors in the finals. As someone who has made a Ner'Zhul in the past I have to say its my personal favorite this week. The flavor is killer, the class combo is perfect. Its really just a cool card. Honorable mention to The Fintasic Four, just because I love comics hahaha. There were some missed opportunities and balance issues with it though, so I couldn't quite vote for it.

This week is all about flavor for me. The card has to justify being a dual-class card, and Arrow of Polymorph does that perfectly. The mechanic is simple and melds the themes of the two classes in a believable way. 

What I don't understand is the appeal of Ner'zhul. His effect doesn't make any sense. It's just a random effect with a famous WoW character tacked on. Why should this be a dual class card? It's not even a particularly interesting effect.

I don't really get all the hype around Arrow of Polymorph. Its incredibly unreliable. Its not going to be bad enough often enough to make it better against enemy minions than Polymorph, and its not going to be good enough enough of the time to used to upgrade your cheaper minions. I just don't understand why this card appeals to people. I do think the design is very interesting, and again, does meld the two classes well, but I feel like the cost is completely wrong and the effect is too broad, even with discover to be good. The art isn't super HS related, or that well indicative of the effect in question either. So its missing flavor there. 

This was a cool week, and there are some cool cards, but there are also a lot of what I would consider wording and functionality errors in the finals. As someone who has made a Ner'Zhul in the past I have to say its my personal favorite this week. The flavor is killer, the class combo is perfect. Its really just a cool card. Honorable mention to The Fintasic Four, just because I love comics hahaha. There were some missed opportunities and balance issues with it though, so I couldn't quite vote for it.

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So I my hero power becomes "draw a coin/innervate" for the rest of the game, when you pretty much never ever ever want to be drawing random coins and innervates.....That's my issue. Increasing the Tempo doesn't get me any value. I lose every game based on value and I have to win every game based on tempo, which means the whole concept of a class than can come from behind just gets the tiniest possible advantage from playing a 6 cost legendary and still never has any "value". That's exactly the response I didn't want, but it seems like that's life. /seppuku

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I asked about my hero power. I really need a larger number of replies. I feel like I have a very different view of it than most and even then I only got a few replies. I wish I had done this sooner but now that I need to make a Justicar Hero Power I'm in a rut.

 Why not "Add a Chase to your hand. It cost (0)."? That seems reasonable enough to me.

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I must agree with @nobravery and @thepowrofcheese, being able to describe briefly your class, your cards, your themes or some interactions is somewhat essential. Cards alone can't convey a class concept entirely.

I don't understand this sentiment. We are 4 phases into the 3RD class contest. Why all the sudden, in this phase of this competition do we need to start adding notes for additional explanation to the poll? I just don't understand, especially changing the rules now that we are at the second poll.

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I still am not sure what I should do for the beefcake challenge yet, so I've got nothing to show for that.

The Worgen Class

Lore:

Reminder about how the class works:

Example cards:

Hunted - This is one removal option for Worgen, similar to Hunter's Mark. You play this and follow it up with another source of damage that normally would not have killed your target. The effect is permanent, so all damage from then on is doubled for that minion.

Gilnean Reinforcements - This is Worgen’s card draw. A number of classes have variations of this spell (Arcane Intellect, Ancestral Knowledge, Burgle, Thoughtsteal). This take reflects Worgen’s focus on class cards. This makes the spell both more restrictive, since it can only draw certain cards in your deck, and is useless if you have too few class cards, and more reliable, since you have a better idea of what it will give you.

Leap - This represents leaping into the midst of the enemy's ranks to attack, so they are forced to attack you. Direct damage spells are going to be very limited for Worgen, since the class focuses more on dealing damage with weapons and buffing your hero’s attack. This card can be used both for removal, and to protect your minions. When you play this, your hero has Taunt during your opponent’s next turn, which means your minions can’t be attacked. It’s like half of a Conceal, because your minions can still be targeted by spells and Battlecries. 

Basic Set:

To keep my Basic set realistic, I tried to keep card text to under three lines. If you look at real Basic sets, you can see that there are only a few Basic cards with 3 or 4 lines of text. When someone presents you a Basic set where almost everything has 3 or 4 lines of text, it isn't really a Basic set.

Here are my other Challenge cards:

Stout Hound - This is based off of some nice artwork of the Pokemon Herdier. Herdiers are known to be very loyal with thick fur that protects them, so I think this fits with protecting your minions from damage. It fits in well with my class because of both the canine theme and Howe Hark’s noble Alterac background. This card exemplifies the support theme of Howe Hark’s Human side. You can play this card similarly to Argent Protector to help trade efficiently. You can also just drop this on turn 2 by itself and it will prevent your opponent from trading into it on their turn.

Krennan Aranas - This is the guy that invented the partial Worgen cure. This fits well with the Worgen hero power, which represents you changing forms between a Human and Worgen. Because regularly using your hero power to take advantage of the Human/Worgen keyword is a central mechanic of the class, a card like this is very useful to the class. It’s worded differently from Coldarra Drake because of the unique way the Worgen hero power works. Every time you use the hero power, you get a different one. Also, Coldarra Drake’s wording is too long.