Imagine, if you will, being at a Magic The Gathering event and having the opponent you just beat tell you to go get cancer to your face. Yeah, it wouldn't happen. Not only would they make themselves look like an ass in front of all those people, but they would probably earn themselves a ban from future events as well. So why do Hearthstone players act so toxic? Because there isn't a group of bystanders to witness their toxic behavior and publicly shame them for it, nor is there even a report function for toxic behavior. You can't even post a screenshot and publicly shame the offensive player without omitting their name because it's against Blizz's rules. Players with bad attitudes will continue to be toxic because they aren't punished for it, and that's where the real problem lies. Bring down the ban hammer on repeat offenders and see how much shit they talk then.
Toughen up. As an adult you should not be so harshly affected by these things. While you write as though you aren't personally you come off as someone who is very afflicted by this. -- Nor should you sum it up as you are concerned for the children of HS. ZZZzzzZzzz.
referring to the OP screenshot... what a bazaar thing for a hunter to say of all things. this game is on it's way to LoL community standards... or maybe everybody who plays is between 12-21, which might actually be the case.
Thanks for the positive comments from some of you.
I would really like to see a simple place where players can report harassment in game. As I stated at the beginning there should be no reason to not accept an invite from someone because I should expect to be flamed at. I have added people and had others add me to talk about deck builds and how the match went. No one should have to miss out on that part of the game because they are worried about someone being a jerk. That doesn't hold up at all as an argument. We as players should be able to create a positive environment to play in.
I also realize that hurt people hurt people. That still doesn't make this behavior okay.
Blizzard has a code of conduct policy. When people are held to a higher standard they usually rise up to meet that standard. If they don't they are met with repercussions. After some research I find this standard lacking in Hearthstone compared to their other games.
Also for those that seemed to focus on the cynical. derisive, and contemptuous comments all I have to say is that your really, really, missing the point of the thread. lol
Reporting players is currently unreasonably difficult. For a while I made a point to report some player names - the kind of things I don't want my kids to see over my shoulder or that might get me banned if I happen to post a screenshot someplace and didn't think about censoring it. Anyways, there are ways through battle.net to report. Don't go through the "Hearthstone" or another game support - go through "battle.net" account support and I think I had to use "harassment" to get to a point where I could file a report, which is where you should report it.
The problem with the "that's life" argument is that it's allowing players to abuse other players and ruins the play experience for the user base as a whole
How is that abuse or ruining anything?
The "Accept Fiend Invite" is successfully ruined. Personally, I don't know anyone who has ever used it after an experience like the one described. And it's not because they felt hurt, it's because at that point it's a waste of time.
There's three choices:
Allow the unwanted behavior
Denounce the unwanted behavior
Remove the unwanted behavior
Which is best for business?
It's no different that any other private forum. The provider has exclusive rights to moderate it to foster the community it intends to serve. Just like a movie theater would love to know if there are particular individuals with excessive problems talking on a cell phones during movies in their theaters. Either "That's Life" or maybe there is a line where you lay down some ground rules and not let one paying customer scare away another paying customer because it is, at best, a wash. The same reason internet forums have moderators. When they don't they become off-topic and unconstructive - just like friend invites and emotes in Hearthstone have become. There's no reasonable expectation the person on the other end is not a waste of time because it is not moderated.
I'm not sure the myopic will ever see a point for standards. This is by far the major hurdle for esports as a long term endeavor. Right now it's marginally funded by a few corporate sponsers that have a vested stake in software or hardware but it's never going to gain profitable traction without serious sponsership for from outside the tech bubble. Events like Hots being on ESPN for example is a big deal for this industry long term and the primary growth that's going to drive it is a healthy player base... not a cancerous shit show. The image and conduct of the average player does matter and effects everyone who has a stake in the game. Individual interactions may be a small percentage of that over time, but the sum is always greater than the parts.
I'm not sure the myopic will ever see a point for standards. This is by far the major hurdle for esports as a long term endeavor. Right now it's marginally funded by a few corporate sponsers that have a vested stake in software or hardware but it's never going to gain profitable traction without serious sponsership for from outside the tech bubble. Events like Hots being on ESPN for example is a big deal for this industry long term and the primary growth that's going to drive it is a healthy player base... not a cancerous shit show. The image and conduct of the average player does matter and effects everyone who has a stake in the game. Individual interactions may be a small percentage of that over time, but the sum is always greater than the parts.
While it would be nice to have a sand box where everyone plays nice and in cases where they don't we would have some recourse to take in order to stem the tide of the malcontent, I just don't see it happening in any effective way. The most successful esports game out there right now being LoL has system to report trolls and acidic players, and despite that the community is still filled with more vitriol than I can handle. Also despite that vitriol, it's still doing very very well. No it's not to ESPN prime time levels, but I doubt very much it's the acerbic nature of the players that keep it from getting to that point. As a matter of fact I pretty much wholly disagree with you that the sportsmanship will help make this game successful to those levels (if that is what your point is.
I think it would be pretty awesome to have it at those levels, but people f*&^ing love drama. They eat it up. The sports community is sustained by more than bitter rivalries. The fanatics of any team are willing to be abusive towards just about anyone who isn't a fan of their team both verbally and physically. In the end these attitudes are what makes any competitive game big because, for better or worse, it fosters the "competitive spirit" in the worst possible way perhaps, but none the less.
I'd really like to see more and more people speak out against this kind of stuff, as well as all the complaining going on lately. I'm sorry you got flamed by some immature little prick, I hope he keeps losing and eventually quits the game. There's no place for that in this game, or gaming in general.
I also could blow it off as just another toxic player but I don't like the idea of a kid reading that.
You've already made a grave mistake by complaining about it publicly, which just makes people want to do it more. If he saw you came here to cry about that message, that would make his week.
But fear not, there's a solution: Grow up. That also solves many other issues in life.
Unfortunately I agree with PoxBox, you're talking a little smack talk way too hard. What's said in this game isn't 1/10th of what you'll get in the more popular FPS games of today. There's no report feature because you don't need to report someone for making a nasty comment, what you need to do is disregard it and move on like you have a life. You don't need to be the hero that is here to "protect the kids", this is the year 2015 and most of the vulgar stuff IS coming from said kids.
This is scientifically false. There's a reason that we have the saying that the pen is mightier than the sword. Words and the human emotions, intentions, and knowledge that they convey absolutely affect others, even those of us who think ourselves immune whether we realize it or not.
I think it's really sad for gaming how much toxicity, abuse, and harassment we not only accept as normal but even insult others for their daring to speak out against it. I also think that it speaks to a lack of humanity and empathy towards others, especially online, that we're so often so vehemently against the idea that other people, having different life experiences, can be legitimately hurt and offended by things that we're not.
This is scientifically false. There's a reason that we have the saying that the pen is mightier than the sword. Words and the human emotions, intentions, and knowledge that they convey absolutely affect others, even those of us who think ourselves immune whether we realize it or not.
I think it's really sad for gaming how much toxicity, abuse, and harassment we not only accept as normal but even insult others for their daring to speak out against it. I also think that it speaks to a lack of humanity and empathy towards others, especially online, that we're so often so vehemently against the idea that other people, having different life experiences, can be legitimately hurt and offended by things that we're not.
Although I got on the OP and was pretty rude about the "think of the kids" angle, all of this is absolutely true and I agree. Telling people to toughen or grow up is a typical response that lacks any understanding or emotional intelligence. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but that doesn't make you tough or right. Maybe it should bother you. Maybe you're the weak one for parroting the thoughtless "toughen up" bullshit instead of going against the grain.
Or maybe you don't win enough to get that sort of abuse so you wouldn't know what it's like ;)
This is scientifically false. There's a reason that we have the saying that the pen is mightier than the sword. Words and the human emotions, intentions, and knowledge that they convey absolutely affect others, even those of us who think ourselves immune whether we realize it or not.
I think it's really sad for gaming how much toxicity, abuse, and harassment we not only accept as normal but even insult others for their daring to speak out against it. I also think that it speaks to a lack of humanity and empathy towards others, especially online, that we're so often so vehemently against the idea that other people, having different life experiences, can be legitimately hurt and offended by things that we're not.
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I'd take some foul mouth little punk over some dill-hole who ropes any day of the week. At least one has a quick solution, un-friend.
Imagine, if you will, being at a Magic The Gathering event and having the opponent you just beat tell you to go get cancer to your face. Yeah, it wouldn't happen. Not only would they make themselves look like an ass in front of all those people, but they would probably earn themselves a ban from future events as well. So why do Hearthstone players act so toxic? Because there isn't a group of bystanders to witness their toxic behavior and publicly shame them for it, nor is there even a report function for toxic behavior. You can't even post a screenshot and publicly shame the offensive player without omitting their name because it's against Blizz's rules. Players with bad attitudes will continue to be toxic because they aren't punished for it, and that's where the real problem lies. Bring down the ban hammer on repeat offenders and see how much shit they talk then.
Toughen up. As an adult you should not be so harshly affected by these things. While you write as though you aren't personally you come off as someone who is very afflicted by this. -- Nor should you sum it up as you are concerned for the children of HS. ZZZzzzZzzz.
referring to the OP screenshot... what a bazaar thing for a hunter to say of all things. this game is on it's way to LoL community standards... or maybe everybody who plays is between 12-21, which might actually be the case.
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Just because someone doesn't behave like you would doesn't mean they should be punished.
or, he really is just a douche.
Just because something sounds clever doesn't mean it is.
Thanks for the positive comments from some of you.
I would really like to see a simple place where players can report harassment in game. As I stated at the beginning there should be no reason to not accept an invite from someone because I should expect to be flamed at. I have added people and had others add me to talk about deck builds and how the match went. No one should have to miss out on that part of the game because they are worried about someone being a jerk. That doesn't hold up at all as an argument. We as players should be able to create a positive environment to play in.
I also realize that hurt people hurt people. That still doesn't make this behavior okay.
Blizzard has a code of conduct policy. When people are held to a higher standard they usually rise up to meet that standard. If they don't they are met with repercussions. After some research I find this standard lacking in Hearthstone compared to their other games.
Also for those that seemed to focus on the cynical. derisive, and contemptuous comments all I have to say is that your really, really, missing the point of the thread. lol
Reporting players is currently unreasonably difficult. For a while I made a point to report some player names - the kind of things I don't want my kids to see over my shoulder or that might get me banned if I happen to post a screenshot someplace and didn't think about censoring it. Anyways, there are ways through battle.net to report. Don't go through the "Hearthstone" or another game support - go through "battle.net" account support and I think I had to use "harassment" to get to a point where I could file a report, which is where you should report it.
The "Accept Fiend Invite" is successfully ruined. Personally, I don't know anyone who has ever used it after an experience like the one described. And it's not because they felt hurt, it's because at that point it's a waste of time.
There's three choices:
Allow the unwanted behavior
Denounce the unwanted behavior
Remove the unwanted behavior
Which is best for business?
It's no different that any other private forum. The provider has exclusive rights to moderate it to foster the community it intends to serve. Just like a movie theater would love to know if there are particular individuals with excessive problems talking on a cell phones during movies in their theaters. Either "That's Life" or maybe there is a line where you lay down some ground rules and not let one paying customer scare away another paying customer because it is, at best, a wash. The same reason internet forums have moderators. When they don't they become off-topic and unconstructive - just like friend invites and emotes in Hearthstone have become. There's no reasonable expectation the person on the other end is not a waste of time because it is not moderated.
I'm not sure the myopic will ever see a point for standards. This is by far the major hurdle for esports as a long term endeavor. Right now it's marginally funded by a few corporate sponsers that have a vested stake in software or hardware but it's never going to gain profitable traction without serious sponsership for from outside the tech bubble. Events like Hots being on ESPN for example is a big deal for this industry long term and the primary growth that's going to drive it is a healthy player base... not a cancerous shit show. The image and conduct of the average player does matter and effects everyone who has a stake in the game. Individual interactions may be a small percentage of that over time, but the sum is always greater than the parts.
While it would be nice to have a sand box where everyone plays nice and in cases where they don't we would have some recourse to take in order to stem the tide of the malcontent, I just don't see it happening in any effective way. The most successful esports game out there right now being LoL has system to report trolls and acidic players, and despite that the community is still filled with more vitriol than I can handle. Also despite that vitriol, it's still doing very very well. No it's not to ESPN prime time levels, but I doubt very much it's the acerbic nature of the players that keep it from getting to that point. As a matter of fact I pretty much wholly disagree with you that the sportsmanship will help make this game successful to those levels (if that is what your point is.
I think it would be pretty awesome to have it at those levels, but people f*&^ing love drama. They eat it up. The sports community is sustained by more than bitter rivalries. The fanatics of any team are willing to be abusive towards just about anyone who isn't a fan of their team both verbally and physically. In the end these attitudes are what makes any competitive game big because, for better or worse, it fosters the "competitive spirit" in the worst possible way perhaps, but none the less.
I'd really like to see more and more people speak out against this kind of stuff, as well as all the complaining going on lately. I'm sorry you got flamed by some immature little prick, I hope he keeps losing and eventually quits the game. There's no place for that in this game, or gaming in general.
YOUR SOUL SHALL SUFFER!!! *plays Wisp* GG!!
Unless they are shadow words those words are quite dangerous.
Unfortunately I agree with PoxBox, you're talking a little smack talk way too hard. What's said in this game isn't 1/10th of what you'll get in the more popular FPS games of today. There's no report feature because you don't need to report someone for making a nasty comment, what you need to do is disregard it and move on like you have a life. You don't need to be the hero that is here to "protect the kids", this is the year 2015 and most of the vulgar stuff IS coming from said kids.
This is scientifically false. There's a reason that we have the saying that the pen is mightier than the sword. Words and the human emotions, intentions, and knowledge that they convey absolutely affect others, even those of us who think ourselves immune whether we realize it or not.
I think it's really sad for gaming how much toxicity, abuse, and harassment we not only accept as normal but even insult others for their daring to speak out against it. I also think that it speaks to a lack of humanity and empathy towards others, especially online, that we're so often so vehemently against the idea that other people, having different life experiences, can be legitimately hurt and offended by things that we're not.
Although I got on the OP and was pretty rude about the "think of the kids" angle, all of this is absolutely true and I agree. Telling people to toughen or grow up is a typical response that lacks any understanding or emotional intelligence. Maybe it doesn't bother you, but that doesn't make you tough or right. Maybe it should bother you. Maybe you're the weak one for parroting the thoughtless "toughen up" bullshit instead of going against the grain.
Or maybe you don't win enough to get that sort of abuse so you wouldn't know what it's like ;)
Kinda related but someone gave me these words of encouragement yesterday, I had a pretty good laugh.
Lol so true
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Current decks: Handlock, Ramp Druid, Control Warrior. My goal: 12 arena wins, beat all da Hunterz. Longtime magic player.