Even if you nerf only Barnes will be a problematic deck that will kill every midrange deck. Turn 6 Eternal Servitude and summon something strong the enemy is forced to kill it and turn 7 double Resurrect or Resurrect and Eternal Servitude. Every midrange deck will be always destroy.
I like midrange decks, and in wild midrange decks are nearly unplayable due to big priests.
Blizzard made a mistake In nerfing Kingsbane Rogue in wild. It was the only deck able to rape big priest easily. Now due to this nerf we are full of big priests that are destroying wild.
I think that we are playing different wild modes, last month I played 100+ games and only 3-4 against big priests, btw any other priest deck, and agro “rapes” big priest hard, and mid decks in wild are good, see even shaman or evenlock, both have winrate above 55%
Big priest can be out valued by odd war, it is also weak against otk decks, the only win condition is early rag, you can also tech your deck with some cards like tinkmaster overspark, who is ok against other decks of the meta, btw, big priest is not a deck that provides you a It stable win, an at high ranks I personally didn’t meet a single big priest last season
It is not true. Odd warrior is raped by big priests. This deck is uncontrollable. (see vicious syndicate photo). Only heavy aggro con fight him. And Exodia (yes sure but there are no exodia, this deck sucks). So people are playing only aggro due to big priests also. Every not heavy aggro that is not able to hit always face (like secret mage and Kingsbane Rogue) is dead. And I am playing Kingsbane Rogue in wild in fact.
Ps: I am also in high ranks and there is full of big priests. Data in fact said that big priest is tier 1 and are 8% of every matches (it is in fact by far the most frequent deck by data). If you don't find them you are fortuned, I am happy for you.
50 games per matchup is a small sample, and in case of wild I d rather trust Myself, judging buy this report dragon priest is favorable matchup for big priest, but in real life, thanks to potion of madness and it’s otk inner fire priest always wins against big priest, and as I already stated above people is playing agro not because of big priest but because Aggro in wild is Brocken and deserves a nerf even more than big priest do
50 games per matchup is a small sample, and in case of wild I d rather trust Myself, judging buy this report dragon priest is favorable matchup for big priest, but in real life, thanks to potion of madness and it’s otk inner fire priest always wins against big priest, and as I already stated above people is playing agro not because of big priest but because Aggro in wild is Brocken and deserves a nerf even more than big priest do
Man I am talking with data. You with your opinions that are totally irrelevant. Nobody cares about one opinion. Trust who what. But these are the data. And I agree with it.
By the way, If you are able to read: It is minimum 50 matches. It didn't say that are only 50 matches.
I really hope to see a very fast nerf in big priest and not only in Barnes
I am able to read, don’t ya worry, I am also able to recheck information that I receive, indeed big priest is 8% of the meta at vicious sindicate but it is in the folder “all ranks” if we check “4 rank and above” we will see that majority of the meta is warlocks rogues and paladins, and the most common decks are Kingsbane Rogue (10.93%) and even shaman (7.73%) and only than a big priest with 7.27% and the winrate information at this ranks is shadowy the reason is plain-lack of data
you can check my statements here at vicious syndicate
I am able to read, don’t ya worry, I am also able to recheck information that I receive, indeed big priest is 8% of the meta at vicious sindicate but it is in the folder “all ranks” if we check “4 rank and above” we will see that majority of the meta is warlocks rogues and paladins, and the most common decks are Kingsbane Rogue (10.93%) and even shaman (7.73%) and only than a big priest with 7.27% and the winrate information at this ranks is shadowy the reason is plain-lack of data
you can check my statements here at vicious syndicate
To be honest I don't think that Barnes is the issue. I can deal with a 1/1 copy of a big minion. What needs to be change though is how resurrecting works. If a 1/1 copy died, the same 1/1 copy should be resurrected, not the original minion. This way big priest won't be as oppressive as he is right now.
Yeah, it really deserves, but my point is that if big priest deserves a nerf than a lot of other decks deserves this too because big priest nerf won’t solve any of wild problems, if blizz don’t want to nerf anything else than it is ok to have Barnes as it is now.
Yeah, it really deserves, but my point is that if big priest deserves a nerf than a lot of other decks deserves this too because big priest nerf won’t solve any of wild problems, if blizz don’t want to nerf anything else than it is ok to have Barnes as it is now.
If you now nerf big priest you will have at least midrange decks and tempo decks. It is a good starting point. Midrange decks are able to stop a little the aggro. Healthy midranges with cards like Dark Iron Skulker. A very healthy cards able to push midrange up to aggro.
I think that we are playing different wild modes, last month I played 100+ games and only 3-4 against big priests, btw any other priest deck, and agro “rapes” big priest hard, and mid decks in wild are good, see even shaman or evenlock, both have winrate above 55%
Aggro doesn't rape big priest or something like that, Turn 4 Statue is lights out most of the time. Only chance I had against Big Priest is to hit an early Loatheb after getting a big board so my opponent doesn't resurrect Statue twice in the same turn. Even Shaman and Evenlock are really strong, played evenlock for so many games. But this is not about strength. This is about the 'feeling' of losing to 12 Rag shots in one game, or your opponent gets that Statue 17 times, and etc.
About Odd Warrior, there is no way a control deck beats big priest, unless your deck is pure removal/silence, which causes you to lose to everything else. You think Odd Warrior has value? We are talking about wild, think big. Try playing Dead Man's Hand N'Zoth Warrior, and see what real value looks like, after 5th N'Zoth, 7th Sylv and 15th Belcher. BP shits on that deck, unless I somehow steal the first Rag with Sylvanas.
From all the decks I played against BP, what worked for me the best is Freeze Mage btw.
Anyways, if you play Big Priest, its okay. Play whatever you enjoy. But don't come up with unrealistic numbers like 3-4 in 100 games. I played 10 games yesterday, played against 2 BP. And this is pretty much the ratio for me throughout my wild journey. Since I started collecting data for my wild decks (2.5 seasons?) I played against 40 priests in 174 games, and only 3 of them were non-BP. Ask these people, and this is everyones experience on average.
i already said it before and I will repeat, it is a good reason because simply players are enjoying this deck and simply killing it without changing anything is wrong
i already said it before and I will repeat, it a good reason because simply players are enjoying this deck and simply killing it without changing anything is wrong
Opponents are extremely frustrated of playing against it and killing it is simply right. ;)
Also, your last argument does not answer my previous one.
Can you answer me what mid decks will appear? And what information do you base of saying that mid decks will appear? And how in particular if they have wonderful matchups against everything else today they aren’t here still? I do remember Un’Goro then people said the same about quest rogue, and then it got nerfed, do you remember? Did control decks came in the end? No the meta didn’t changed a bit. The same situation with priest, if we nerf only Barnes it’ll change nothin.
Can you answer me what mid decks will appear? And what information do you base of saying that mid decks will appear? And how in particular if they have wonderful matchups against everything else today they aren’t here still? I do remember Un’Goro then people said the same about quest rogue, and then it got nerfed, do you remember? Did control decks came in the end? No the meta didn’t changed a bit. The same situation with priest, if we nerf only Barnes it’ll change nothin.
Midrange decks. What information? You see in the chart. The midrange decks have bad matchups against big priests so if you nerf them they will appear. (spell hunter, secret hunter, midrange hunter, dragon priest, odd and tempo rogue) and a lot more midrange decks that nobody is playing because are ista lose against big priest. (like spiteful decks, tempo decks and so on)
And if these decks will be able to keep early the board they will reduce the aggro.
It is there you called it obviously Brocken? I don’t see it because BP is not, I can only see people doing wrong disicions against BP or playing decks with low winrate against BP, and then blaming their countless loses on how this deck is op, it is but not as op as everyone said it is, this deck needs a nerf, yes, but there are other problems in wild that needs solution more than big priest, and fixing Barnes/res mechanic must be a part of a big nerf not the only one
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Big priest will always exist, blizzard does not want you to play wild. Or be dedicated to it.
Blizzard makes money on standard players because they have the fewest cards or always dust everything that rotates.
So they will shovel out more money for packs, as most wild players really only need a hand full of cards to make a decent wild deck after exp
Big priests has many complicated cards. Barnes, Resurrect, Eternal Servitude and Shadow Essence.
These cards are all broken and unfair.
Even if you nerf only Barnes will be a problematic deck that will kill every midrange deck. Turn 6 Eternal Servitude and summon something strong the enemy is forced to kill it and turn 7 double Resurrect or Resurrect and Eternal Servitude. Every midrange deck will be always destroy.
I like midrange decks, and in wild midrange decks are nearly unplayable due to big priests.
Blizzard made a mistake In nerfing Kingsbane Rogue in wild. It was the only deck able to rape big priest easily. Now due to this nerf we are full of big priests that are destroying wild.
I think that we are playing different wild modes, last month I played 100+ games and only 3-4 against big priests, btw any other priest deck, and agro “rapes” big priest hard, and mid decks in wild are good, see even shaman or evenlock, both have winrate above 55%
It is not true. Odd warrior is raped by big priests. This deck is uncontrollable. (see vicious syndicate photo). Only heavy aggro con fight him. And Exodia (yes sure but there are no exodia, this deck sucks). So people are playing only aggro due to big priests also. Every not heavy aggro that is not able to hit always face (like secret mage and Kingsbane Rogue) is dead. And I am playing Kingsbane Rogue in wild in fact.
Ps: I am also in high ranks and there is full of big priests. Data in fact said that big priest is tier 1 and are 8% of every matches (it is in fact by far the most frequent deck by data). If you don't find them you are fortuned, I am happy for you.
50 games per matchup is a small sample, and in case of wild I d rather trust Myself, judging buy this report dragon priest is favorable matchup for big priest, but in real life, thanks to potion of madness and it’s otk inner fire priest always wins against big priest, and as I already stated above people is playing agro not because of big priest but because Aggro in wild is Brocken and deserves a nerf even more than big priest do
Man I am talking with data. You with your opinions that are totally irrelevant. Nobody cares about one opinion. Trust who what. But these are the data. And I agree with it.
By the way, If you are able to read: It is minimum 50 matches. It didn't say that are only 50 matches.
I really hope to see a very fast nerf in big priest and not only in Barnes
I am able to read, don’t ya worry, I am also able to recheck information that I receive, indeed big priest is 8% of the meta at vicious sindicate but it is in the folder “all ranks” if we check “4 rank and above” we will see that majority of the meta is warlocks rogues and paladins, and the most common decks are Kingsbane Rogue (10.93%) and even shaman (7.73%) and only than a big priest with 7.27% and the winrate information at this ranks is shadowy the reason is plain-lack of data
you can check my statements here at vicious syndicate
https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/wild-vs-data-reaper-report-16/
So:
Big Priest can be countered.
Big Priest has average wr.
Big Priest doesn't exist in the meta.
YET people wholeheartedly hate that joke of a deck since ages now. Don't you realize how the deck is so OBVIOUSLY broken?!?
That’s an excample how people can hate “fundecks” if they once become viable.
Yes. So it deserve a nerf. It is what is shaping the meta to aggro. Because it is broken.
To be honest I don't think that Barnes is the issue. I can deal with a 1/1 copy of a big minion. What needs to be change though is how resurrecting works. If a 1/1 copy died, the same 1/1 copy should be resurrected, not the original minion. This way big priest won't be as oppressive as he is right now.
Yeah, it really deserves, but my point is that if big priest deserves a nerf than a lot of other decks deserves this too because big priest nerf won’t solve any of wild problems, if blizz don’t want to nerf anything else than it is ok to have Barnes as it is now.
Are you seriously suggesting Big Priest is the victim? Please...
And again, no. If other decks deserve nerf to, it is NOT A GOOD REASON NOT TO nerf Big Priest first.
If you now nerf big priest you will have at least midrange decks and tempo decks. It is a good starting point. Midrange decks are able to stop a little the aggro. Healthy midranges with cards like Dark Iron Skulker. A very healthy cards able to push midrange up to aggro.
Aggro doesn't rape big priest or something like that, Turn 4 Statue is lights out most of the time. Only chance I had against Big Priest is to hit an early Loatheb after getting a big board so my opponent doesn't resurrect Statue twice in the same turn. Even Shaman and Evenlock are really strong, played evenlock for so many games. But this is not about strength. This is about the 'feeling' of losing to 12 Rag shots in one game, or your opponent gets that Statue 17 times, and etc.
About Odd Warrior, there is no way a control deck beats big priest, unless your deck is pure removal/silence, which causes you to lose to everything else. You think Odd Warrior has value? We are talking about wild, think big. Try playing Dead Man's Hand N'Zoth Warrior, and see what real value looks like, after 5th N'Zoth, 7th Sylv and 15th Belcher. BP shits on that deck, unless I somehow steal the first Rag with Sylvanas.
From all the decks I played against BP, what worked for me the best is Freeze Mage btw.
Anyways, if you play Big Priest, its okay. Play whatever you enjoy. But don't come up with unrealistic numbers like 3-4 in 100 games. I played 10 games yesterday, played against 2 BP. And this is pretty much the ratio for me throughout my wild journey. Since I started collecting data for my wild decks (2.5 seasons?) I played against 40 priests in 174 games, and only 3 of them were non-BP. Ask these people, and this is everyones experience on average.
i already said it before and I will repeat, it is a good reason because simply players are enjoying this deck and simply killing it without changing anything is wrong
Opponents are extremely frustrated of playing against it and killing it is simply right. ;)
Also, your last argument does not answer my previous one.
Can you answer me what mid decks will appear? And what information do you base of saying that mid decks will appear? And how in particular if they have wonderful matchups against everything else today they aren’t here still? I do remember Un’Goro then people said the same about quest rogue, and then it got nerfed, do you remember? Did control decks came in the end? No the meta didn’t changed a bit. The same situation with priest, if we nerf only Barnes it’ll change nothin.
Midrange decks. What information? You see in the chart. The midrange decks have bad matchups against big priests so if you nerf them they will appear. (spell hunter, secret hunter, midrange hunter, dragon priest, odd and tempo rogue) and a lot more midrange decks that nobody is playing because are ista lose against big priest. (like spiteful decks, tempo decks and so on)
And if these decks will be able to keep early the board they will reduce the aggro.
It is there you called it obviously Brocken? I don’t see it because BP is not, I can only see people doing wrong disicions against BP or playing decks with low winrate against BP, and then blaming their countless loses on how this deck is op, it is but not as op as everyone said it is, this deck needs a nerf, yes, but there are other problems in wild that needs solution more than big priest, and fixing Barnes/res mechanic must be a part of a big nerf not the only one