According to Vicious Syndicate, Murloc paladin is the strongest deck in the meta, but Jade Druid is the most influencial one, aka the cancer of the meta. It dictates the meta in a negative way ("bringing many control archetypes to their knees"), and this must stop now!
Well this was always true of Jade Druid though. Control matchups are where its favored and this is the reason it has seen such widespread play in the first week of an expansion that has provided a lot of Control options. If this continues to be the case for a couple more weeks than Jade Idol should be nerfed somehow, but in the early/experimental stages of the expansion its far too easy for that deck to beat any unrefined Control list, whereas Jade Druid is a deck that builds itself. Let's also not forget that when sites like TempoStorm push the narrative of Druid being so OP its only natural that people will try more of those decks causing even more frustration for other people. In fact, I'd rather they nerf Jade Idol right now, so that people can stop asking for other cards to be nerfed despite those not overperforming (or at least there are no statistics of such a thing yet, even Midrange Token Druid that runs both Plague and Infestation is at about 50% winrate and Jade Druid is a favored matchup).
No, Murloc Paladin is the strongest, because it's the strongest. It does not have anything to do with Druids being "Bad". I thought it was impossible to be bad with jade druid anyway, because it's "brainless". Can't have it both ways.
I agree that druid is the strongest class, buti dont see any statistics on tempostorms meta snapshot.
They don't use statistics to make their rankings on TempoStorm. For that you would need to go to Vicious Syndicate and use the Data Reaper Live feature and then go under "Top Archetype Matchups" or the article on this page that Sherman has linked to where they give the Current Top 5 decks in Standard.
I agree that druid is the strongest class, buti dont see any statistics on tempostorms meta snapshot.
They don't use statistics to make their rankings on TempoStorm. For that you would need to go to Vicious Syndicate and use the Data Reaper Live feature and then go under "Top Archetype Matchups" or the article on this page that Sherman has linked to where they give the Current Top 5 decks in Standard.
That sounds alot like making up bullshit as they go along. Without data and statistics it's nothing man.
Edit: LOL they even listed malygos druid. Haven't seen one of those in ages.
That's what they do and then they push uninformed people into playing even more Jade Druid. Way to make an impact on the meta.
Druid defence worse out in full force I see, no wonder we were stuck with stuff like undertaker for 7 months with community like this...
Only joke deck in tier S is Malygos druid, ramp druid is at least tier 1/2 too, so don't pretend like this list is only satire.
Considering the meta is 40% druids, of course alot of people are defending druid so they can hit rank 5 or legendary with a super broken OP deck. Many of my friends got to rank 5 with jade druid.
What annoys me about this snapshot is they threw in ramp and malygos druid despite inconsistencies within the deck purely because they're druids. hardly scientific.
What annoys me about this snapshot is they threw in ramp and malygos druid despite inconsistencies within the deck purely because they're druids. hardly scientific.
Looks like they forgot to throw C'thun druid and Quest druid into Tier S as well
What annoys me about this snapshot is they threw in ramp and malygos druid despite inconsistencies within the deck purely because they're druids. hardly scientific.
Looks like they forgot to throw C'thun druid and Quest druid into Tier S as well
Don't forget Watcher-Druid, Dragon-Druid and FoN-Combo-Druid. I guess there should be even a T1 Murloc-Druid out there, because Druid.
Blizzard should make a special stream lessons or youtube videos in which they explain the the only way hs should be played is with supa dupa 1000 IQ control/combo homebrewed decks and 30 minutes long match is a minimum time period that proves you're not braindead blah blah something etc.
What annoys me about this snapshot is they threw in ramp and malygos druid despite inconsistencies within the deck purely because they're druids. hardly scientific.
Looks like they forgot to throw C'thun druid and Quest druid into Tier S as well
Don't forget Watcher-Druid, Dragon-Druid and FoN-Combo-Druid. I guess there should be even a T1 Murloc-Druid out there, because Druid.
Shhh...guys, before you give Reynad more ideas so he can pretend like there are even more Druid arcetypes and start complaining even more as to how difficult it is for him to mulligan against his Druid opponents .... one week into the expansion ;).
It's mixture of sarcasm and realism. I think the point was to protest against the power level of druid. Something doesn't need to have a high win rate to be "Broken" just look back at quest rogue.
Yeah, but their ratings are based on the opinions of Hearthstone pro-players involved with TempoStorm and is heavily biased, especially since TempoStorm's Owner, Reynad, just trash-talked Druid and requested Innervate be moved to Hall of Fame. You can see how the ratings could be skewed. On the other hand, you could use the Data Reaper Live feature of Vicious Syndicate, which provides statistics/winrates based on tracked games and not assumed power levels.
Go under "Top Archetype Matchups" to learn the actual truth of the matter. The only decks that are performing very well are Jade Druid and Aggro Token Druid, while the other archetypes are placed on Tier S just to satisfy Reynad's salt. Not to mention that Murloc Paladin and Pirate Warrior are performing even better than those two.
Edit: I am not saying the two decks aren't Tier 1, but you can see the salt oozing when they are so quick to place it in Tier S with the new expansion having only been around for a week.
It's mixture of sarcasm and realism. I think the point was to protest against the power level of druid. Something doesn't need to have a high win rate to be "Broken" just look back at quest rogue.
Can't take the site very serious if they use the snapshot for a personal protest.
Good job to Tempostorm, they are only telling the truth. The meta is either play Druid or something to defeat the Druid.. Top legend decks are different Druid archetypes.. There is a problem when a class can have 4!!!! different archetypes that are competitive enough to get in to top legend decks.. Blizzard should wake up and do something asap..
It's mixture of sarcasm and realism. I think the point was to protest against the power level of druid. Something doesn't need to have a high win rate to be "Broken" just look back at quest rogue.
I agree that the main cause of frustration is and will remain to be the amount of Druid in ladder, since winrate wise the deck isn't broken, just very strong and in line with the other top decks of the game right now (however, there will always be a deck that is strongest). On the other hand, trying to earn points (with the community, i.e. they are pandering to everyone's frustration) with 4 decks that shouldn't be there (including Aggro Druid, which for all intents and purposes is the deck from Un'Goro) really gets you nothing good and only shows that your are willing to trample on what little reputation you have to give in to your salty bias and let's not forget its only been one week. I also see a lot of people defending TempoStorm, but here is why you shouldn't:
There are a lot of people who go to TempoStorm to get decklists to play. What do you think that someone who isn't in on the "joke" does when he sees 5 Druid decks in Tier S? Well first he starts playing the Top deck amongst those 5, Jade Druid, which makes the game even more oppressive for those who want to avoid it on ladder and also gives the impression to the uninformed that Druid is so broken its not even funny, when only one of Druid's decks can really be said to be forcing the meta to build around itself. They could have very easily put just Jade Druid on Tier S as a form of protest, but at this point all I can see is salt. If this situation continues for a couple of weeks I am all for nerfs and perhaps Jade Idol should be nerfed regardless, just to allow more breathing room for Control decks if they are truly being stifled so much, but what TempoStorm did is a huge mistake whether you think they were joking or just being salty. Abusing your credibility to push your salty narrative isn't ok.
Edit: I also wanted to say that I do agree with you, if Jade Druid will be nerfed it will be down to exactly the same reasons as Quest Rogue. They made Jade Druid too good at what it does against control (if you think that Spreading Plague is that devastating and that suddenly they fix all of Druid's problems against aggro you are sorely mistaken and you can play around it with minimal effort) and that may be the final nail in the coffin.
Yeah, but their ratings are based on the opinions of Hearthstone pro-players involved with TempoStorm and is heavily biased, especially since TempoStorm's Owner, Reynad, just trash-talked Druid and requested Innervate be moved to Hall of Fame. You can see how the ratings could be skewed. On the other hand, you could use the Data Reaper Live feature of Vicious Syndicate, which provides statistics/winrates based on tracked games and not assumed power levels.
Go under "Top Archetype Matchups" to learn the actual truth of the matter. The only decks that are performing very well are Jade Druid and Aggro Token Druid, while the other archetypes are placed on Tier S just to satisfy Reynad's salt. Not to mention that Murloc Paladin and Pirate Warrior are performing even better than those two.
Edit: I am not saying the two decks aren't Tier 1, but you can see the salt oozing when they are so quick to place it in Tier S with the new expansion having only been around for a week.
This is the reality of the situation. Check winrates on hsreplay if you doubt it. They get data from literally millions of games over the course of a month. Aggro druid and jade druid have definitely been tier 1, but several other decks are outperforming them. Data doesn't lie. Sadly, Tempo Storm does.
people still go to that joke of a site? seriously? with so much actual data available elsewhere?
This must not stop now. It seems good. Paladin is the strongest, as I was saying from the beginning, Which, frankly, I like very much.
No, Murloc Paladin is the strongest, because it's the strongest. It does not have anything to do with Druids being "Bad". I thought it was impossible to be bad with jade druid anyway, because it's "brainless". Can't have it both ways.
I enjoy playing paladin right now as no one is complaining about them and I get a really good win rate
this deck is strong as hell !
What annoys me about this snapshot is they threw in ramp and malygos druid despite inconsistencies within the deck purely because they're druids. hardly scientific.
Legend with : S65 Freeze Mage, S57 Maly Gonk Druid, S57 "Okay" Shaman, S53 Boom-zooka Hunter, S53 Maly Tog Druid, S52 Wild Tog Druid ft.Blingtron, S50 Quest Rogue, S49 Dead Man's Warrior, S41 Wild Clown Fiesta Druid, S41 Hadronox Jade Druid, S40 Wild OTK Dragon Druid, S35 SMOrc Shaman, S33 Jade Druid, S22 Control Priest, S19 Control Priest
It's mixture of sarcasm and realism. I think the point was to protest against the power level of druid. Something doesn't need to have a high win rate to be "Broken" just look back at quest rogue.
ahahaha Tempo storm Baby Raged and just "Druided" S rank oh man that reynad salt is real. hilarious
*edit* i think this is te worst tempo storm list, i saw for a while.
Evolve shaman Tier2? lol what are they smoking? it has 60% winratio
Good job to Tempostorm, they are only telling the truth. The meta is either play Druid or something to defeat the Druid.. Top legend decks are different Druid archetypes.. There is a problem when a class can have 4!!!! different archetypes that are competitive enough to get in to top legend decks.. Blizzard should wake up and do something asap..