To be fair, I've screwed myself over as dragon priest when I played Reno and nothing happened as he had played a ex evil (obtained through a tri-class card) and Ihad two in my deck. (I was playing on my phone)
You can remember stuff like that, but a tracker helps alot there.
Just had a look - Arcane Tracker is Android-Only as far as I can tell. :-( Going to try Hearth Hand, but it looks like it might require "switching" and also seems like just an event tracker rather than a deck tracker.
It's an advantage, not unfair. If you learn your deck, you'll know 90% of what's left in your deck. If you play Reno, it's closer to 100%.
What about the ones that show the opponents' deck and track what cards they've played? (So yuo can keep track of the polymorph's, hexes, etc)
Same story actually as it doesn't 'show your opponent's deck' but instead track the same elements you can do with pen/paper such as what turn each card was pulled in, where the coin is (it's always in the same spot), cards put into the hand due to specific events (i.e. shadowstep) and the like. It's due to the fact that Blizzard purposely made all of these things visible and trackable during play similar to real card holding. Pro players do it manually all the time. The deck tracker does it for you.
Blizzard already chimed in on this long ago. If you can do it on pen/paper, you can let a computer automate it so long as they aren't pulling directly from the files. The trackers we have nowadays use a combination of visual tracking and reading the game logs (the game keeps an active log file of your game as you play which is in normal text format and can be viewed at any time).
The only issue is on mobile but it seems that Arcane Tracker, at least for android, IS a mobile deck tracker thus letting mobile accounts use it.
So yeah, you're free to use a tracker if you so choose. Note that if you plan to be competitive though it's best NOT to until you are able to do the things it does mentally as it'll become a crutch that will ruin you when you can't use it in many tournaments.
Blizzard already chimed in on this long ago. If you can do it on pen/paper, you can let a computer automate it so long as they aren't pulling directly from the files.
To be fair, I've screwed myself over as dragon priest when I played Reno and nothing happened as he had played a ex evil (obtained through a tri-class card) and Ihad two in my deck. (I was playing on my phone)
You can remember stuff like that, but a tracker helps alot there.
Reno tells you already whether or not it will be activated by glowing orange. That is just a personal problem if you play it not looking at your cards.
To be fair, I've screwed myself over as dragon priest when I played Reno and nothing happened as he had played a ex evil (obtained through a tri-class card) and Ihad two in my deck. (I was playing on my phone)
You can remember stuff like that, but a tracker helps alot there.
Reno tells you already whether or not it will be activated by glowing orange. That is just a personal problem if you play it not looking at your cards.
I spent the first year and a half playing thins game and not knowing about the orange feature. Nothing in the game tells you it. I only found out because Brode was talking about it when explaining why Reno wasn't turning orange (it was bugged before and took a while for them to sort out how to fix it). Brode casually mentioned "when cards like eviscerate are 'activated' they turn orange, as you know." and I was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!?!?!?
To be fair, I've screwed myself over as dragon priest when I played Reno and nothing happened as he had played a ex evil (obtained through a tri-class card) and Ihad two in my deck. (I was playing on my phone)
You can remember stuff like that, but a tracker helps alot there.
Reno tells you already whether or not it will be activated by glowing orange. That is just a personal problem if you play it not looking at your cards.
I spent the first year and a half playing thins game and not knowing about the orange feature. Nothing in the game tells you it. I only found out because Brode was talking about it when explaining why Reno wasn't turning orange (it was bugged before and took a while for them to sort out how to fix it). Brode casually mentioned "when cards like eviscerate are 'activated' they turn orange, as you know." and I was like WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!?!?!?
I think it's also a relatively new feature as well. At least in the last year or so. When I played back in the days before Reno etc, I'm sure this wasn't a thing - or at least wasn't so visible at least.
I mostly play on my phone also. There is an app for it on Android called "Arcane Tracker" which is the same as the different PC versions.
Do you have to keep switching apps for it though? I don't know about Android, but switching Apps on the iPhone causes the game to need to reload.
No switching. Once you load Arcane Tracker it will launch Hearthstone and start tracking. You can also make you deck on it so it will auto-load instead of it just tracking what you have played. It also tracks you opponents deck.
Tracking your opponent's deck, is an unfair advantage. You're not supposed to know what your opponent has in their hand.
Actually, hand reading is an advanced skill that all the pros use and you can utilize it with or without trackers
Guys, we all know the card's list of Aggro Shaman and Pirate Warrior, come on...
Btw, it's exactly as playing with friends. In many occasions, when I had friends visiting my house, they helped me in my decisions playing HS. They also predicted many plays of my opponents, as well as helping me with arena draft. The apps just organize what we already should pay more attention
Deck trackers do a lot more than that, don't be dishonest to yourself, it is pointless. It's fine if you think deck trackers are fair, opinions are fine. Lies are not fine.
And it doesn't matter how much time it takes. It DOES take time, while the deck tracker does it instantly. Unfair, period.
Deck trackers don't do anything more than tell you what cards you still have left and sometimes what % chance you have of drawing a 1 of or 2 of.
Honestly, it's not unfair. If you can't remember what cards you or your opponent has played in a 10 minute game (and thats long) then you have bigger problems in life.
Having a photographic memory doesn't make you any smarter than someone who doesn't. Surely you are aware of this? Otherwise your comment doesn't really make sense.
Or are you saying that halfway through any match you could (without the help of any 3rd party) reel off every card that has been playe by both players, and in what order?
I think the crux of my point has been a little buried with the back and forth. If you were sitting at home at your desk, with a pen and paper then yes that would work (though yuo might as well just use your app on the PC at that point).
But what is the likelihood of you carrying around a pen and paper when you're at the station, on the loo, in the bath, on the bus, at a mate's house, in a cafe, etc etc?
It's not very high. And also, every time you modify your deck, you have to modify your written lists (not to mention writing them out in the first place).
Pen and paper is "physically" viable, but not really "practically" viable to be honest.
Deck trackers do a lot more than that, don't be dishonest to yourself, it is pointless. It's fine if you think deck trackers are fair, opinions are fine. Lies are not fine.
And it doesn't matter how much time it takes. It DOES take time, while the deck tracker does it instantly. Unfair, period.
I simplified maybe, but it's not a 200 word essay that needs to be done before tomorrow. Everything a tracker does, you can do by just paying attention, and where needed writing. Oh, the deck tracker does this for you, therefore unfair? Nah, I wouldn't blame my opponent for playing in the optimal situation that is allowed. Should you only be matched with people who have a 17" screen if that's what I have? Is it unfair if my computer is faster, internet is worse, or if you're an amputee? As long as we're talking about legit, allowed tools, there is nothing unfair. Cheats are unfair. It's an advantage, won't deny that, but playing with a mouse instead of a touchpad is an advantage too. C'est la vie.
I think there's a fair difference between "controller methods" and 3rd party tools designed to give you an edge on other players, though.
A better analogy would be two players playing a game on a console, but one player has one of those "auto-fire" toggle switches. He might claim that "anyone could go buy one", but that doesn't mean it is "fair".
Don't confuse "fairness" and "sportsmanship" with "legality" - plenty of stuff is "allowed", but certainly not fair or good sportsmanship.
Now, I'm definitely not claiming that using a tracker is bad sportsmanship (I've happily used one on the PC) - that was more just in relation to the analogies we were discussing there.
It certainly gives you some advantage, but I don't think it is unfair. I don't use one, but I have the option to if I wanted to, and that is all that matters. When I used one in the past it wasn't all that helpful for me(I can keep track of things in my head pretty well), so the part of it I actually miss is its automatic tracking of my wins/losses in different matchups.
I'd call it an advantage, but i wouldn't call it an unfair advantage. It would be unfair if only some people could use it, but it's available to everybody. Ofc when it comes to mobile... well I feel like you already have a major disadvantage. Imo on mobile/tablet it's a lot more difficult to immerse and focus on the game. The controls aren't as good as just playing with a mouse. The game could be laggy etc. So it would be like saying that everybody who plays on PC is being unfair towards those who play on Mobile. Or in a competitive FPS people who have better PCs are being unfair because your PC laggs like hell and their's is not. If you choose to play on a bad device you'll also get a bad experience. That's how it has almost always been and I don't think it's gonna change any time soon. (Note. Not calling mobile devices bad, just not as good as PC when it comes to playing HS.)
I should also mention that tracking your opponents deck is a lot bigger advantage than tracking your own. Imo.
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I think the crux of my point has been a little buried with the back and forth. If you were sitting at home at your desk, with a pen and paper then yes that would work (though yuo might as well just use your app on the PC at that point).
But what is the likelihood of you carrying around a pen and paper when you're at the station, on the loo, in the bath, on the bus, at a mate's house, in a cafe, etc etc?
It's not very high. And also, every time you modify your deck, you have to modify your written lists (not to mention writing them out in the first place).
Pen and paper is "physically" viable, but not really "practically" viable to be honest.
You're putting that limitation on yourself. That does not make it unfair. You know the scenario of what you are playing and should play accordingly. If you can't play at a highly competitive level without a deck tracker or pen/paper then don't play competitive in those scenarios. Sometimes I play from work, on my iPad that has a faulty screen and sometimes registers touches that I don't make, or on a shitty internet connection. All of those scenarios affect my ability to play at a high level and I simply play casual or arena. If I choose to play in constructed, that doesnt mean it was unfair. That means that I chose to play despite knowing that I wouldn't play at my absolute best.
Just because your opponent may have made choices to ensure they play at their absolute best does not mean that it was an unfair game. Does a deck tracker give a competitive edge? Absolutely, but thats not what unfair means.
Both players have access to the same tools. I see nothing unfair about this. This sort of thing occurs in a lot of games. For example, in competitive Scrabble both players usually carry with them a sheet of paper with all 100 tiles listed. During the game, as tiles are revealed, they cross out letters on their sheets. If performed accurately this allows both players to have a better idea of the odds of receiving certain tiles in the future. And near the end of the game you can determine precisely which letters your opponent has on their rack without peeking. This tactic is not required but obviously failing to do so gives your opponent an advantage.
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I think the crux of my point has been a little buried with the back and forth. If you were sitting at home at your desk, with a pen and paper then yes that would work (though yuo might as well just use your app on the PC at that point).
But what is the likelihood of you carrying around a pen and paper when you're at the station, on the loo, in the bath, on the bus, at a mate's house, in a cafe, etc etc?
It's not very high. And also, every time you modify your deck, you have to modify your written lists (not to mention writing them out in the first place).
Pen and paper is "physically" viable, but not really "practically" viable to be honest.
You're putting that limitation on yourself. That does not make it unfair. You know the scenario of what you are playing and should play accordingly. If you can't play at a highly competitive level without a deck tracker or pen/paper then don't play competitive in those scenarios. Sometimes I play from work, on my iPad that has a faulty screen and sometimes registers touches that I don't make, or on a shitty internet connection. All of those scenarios affect my ability to play at a high level and I simply play casual or arena. If I choose to play in constructed, that doesnt mean it was unfair. That means that I chose to play despite knowing that I wouldn't play at my absolute best.
Just because your opponent may have made choices to ensure they play at their absolute best does not mean that it was an unfair game. Does a deck tracker give a competitive edge? Absolutely, but thats not what unfair means.
My point, however, is that the limitation of the problem isn't put on myself. The tools available to those on PC are basically not available to those on Mobile / Tablet - at least, not on iOS> From what was said earlier, there apparently is something for the Android.
By your argument, you are basically saying that "because this athlete chose to take steroids to give himself the best chance of winning, that is fine; I mean, the other athletes could have taken steroids if they "really" wanted to win"... It doesn't really work that way.
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Just had a look - Arcane Tracker is Android-Only as far as I can tell. :-(
Going to try Hearth Hand, but it looks like it might require "switching" and also seems like just an event tracker rather than a deck tracker.
Will give it a try later to test
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One does not simply walk into Mordor,
unless they want to be the best they can be.
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Guys, we all know the card's list of Aggro Shaman and Pirate Warrior, come on...
Btw, it's exactly as playing with friends. In many occasions, when I had friends visiting my house, they helped me in my decisions playing HS. They also predicted many plays of my opponents, as well as helping me with arena draft. The apps just organize what we already should pay more attention
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is having a smarter brain an unfair advantage?
Surely you are aware of this?
Otherwise your comment doesn't really make sense.
I think the crux of my point has been a little buried with the back and forth.
If you were sitting at home at your desk, with a pen and paper then yes that would work (though yuo might as well just use your app on the PC at that point).
But what is the likelihood of you carrying around a pen and paper when you're at the station, on the loo, in the bath, on the bus, at a mate's house, in a cafe, etc etc?
It's not very high. And also, every time you modify your deck, you have to modify your written lists (not to mention writing them out in the first place).
Pen and paper is "physically" viable, but not really "practically" viable to be honest.
hey if you need it use it i guess
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It certainly gives you some advantage, but I don't think it is unfair. I don't use one, but I have the option to if I wanted to, and that is all that matters. When I used one in the past it wasn't all that helpful for me(I can keep track of things in my head pretty well), so the part of it I actually miss is its automatic tracking of my wins/losses in different matchups.
I'd call it an advantage, but i wouldn't call it an unfair advantage. It would be unfair if only some people could use it, but it's available to everybody. Ofc when it comes to mobile... well I feel like you already have a major disadvantage. Imo on mobile/tablet it's a lot more difficult to immerse and focus on the game. The controls aren't as good as just playing with a mouse. The game could be laggy etc. So it would be like saying that everybody who plays on PC is being unfair towards those who play on Mobile. Or in a competitive FPS people who have better PCs are being unfair because your PC laggs like hell and their's is not. If you choose to play on a bad device you'll also get a bad experience. That's how it has almost always been and I don't think it's gonna change any time soon. (Note. Not calling mobile devices bad, just not as good as PC when it comes to playing HS.)
I should also mention that tracking your opponents deck is a lot bigger advantage than tracking your own. Imo.
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Both players have access to the same tools. I see nothing unfair about this. This sort of thing occurs in a lot of games. For example, in competitive Scrabble both players usually carry with them a sheet of paper with all 100 tiles listed. During the game, as tiles are revealed, they cross out letters on their sheets. If performed accurately this allows both players to have a better idea of the odds of receiving certain tiles in the future. And near the end of the game you can determine precisely which letters your opponent has on their rack without peeking. This tactic is not required but obviously failing to do so gives your opponent an advantage.
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The tools available to those on PC are basically not available to those on Mobile / Tablet - at least, not on iOS> From what was said earlier, there apparently is something for the Android.
It doesn't really work that way.