Priest(N'zoth) is very good right now in my opinion , we are talkin about a t2 just becouse in particular machups is sfavourited (rogue or druid) but can easily beat other control decks.. against warrior is always an easy win , he plays monkey i play nzoth and good game , against nzoth paladin we have 2 entomb for cairne/sylv or tirion.. it does good against aggro decks too , the only important thing is tryng to understeand what deck u re facing and set up a good mulligan: against aggro board control , against control you look for value cards and against tempo you need tempo plays too .
Soo ok we cant compare shaman to priest right now ( even a child can have 70+ % winrate ) but the fun that class give to me is uncountable.(and the winrate is not bad too.....)
I don't know what game you are playing, but priest IS competitive right now. It's not tier 1, but like you posted it is high tier two. High tier two is absolutely high enough to be considered competitive. Competitive in tournaments and competitive on ladder are two different things though. Some decks do better in tournaments and worse on ladder and vice versa. Priest is one of the decks right now that is very competitive for ladder but not so good for tournament play.
Priest(N'zoth) is very good right now in my opinion , we are talkin about a t2 just becouse in particular machups is sfavourited (rogue or druid) but can easily beat other control decks.. against warrior is always an easy win , he plays monkey i play nzoth and good game , against nzoth paladin we have 2 entomb for cairne/sylv or tirion.. it does good against aggro decks too , the only important thing is tryng to understeand what deck u re facing and set up a good mulligan: against aggro board control , against control you look for value cards and against tempo you need tempo plays too .
Soo ok we cant compare shaman to priest right now ( even a child can have 70+ % winrate ) but the fun that class give to me is uncountable.(and the winrate is not bad too.....)
Priest has a chance in slower matchups. However, in matchups where it should be favored (control ought to be a pretty good and consistent counter to aggro), like I already said if you don't draw your removal spells in time, you simply lose the game. That's not very consistent. Slower Priest decks are getting destroyed right now because of the loss of very key early game minions, namely Zombie Chow and Deathlord. I hate to say it but losing these two cards alone killed Priest, as Chow could often be traded for 2 to 3 other minions and DL allowed you to survive until the mid game, in a lot of cases without taking face damage. Also of note but IMO less key was the loss of Velen's Chosen.
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Priest(N'zoth) is very good right now in my opinion , we are talkin about a t2 just becouse in particular machups is sfavourited (rogue or druid) but can easily beat other control decks.. against warrior is always an easy win , he plays monkey i play nzoth and good game , against nzoth paladin we have 2 entomb for cairne/sylv or tirion.. it does good against aggro decks too , the only important thing is tryng to understeand what deck u re facing and set up a good mulligan: against aggro board control , against control you look for value cards and against tempo you need tempo plays too .
Soo ok we cant compare shaman to priest right now ( even a child can have 70+ % winrate ) but the fun that class give to me is uncountable.(and the winrate is not bad too.....)
Priest has a chance in slower matchups. However, in matchups where it should be favored (control ought to be a pretty good and consistent counter to aggro), like I already said if you don't draw your removal spells in time, you simply lose the game. That's not very consistent. Slower Priest decks are getting destroyed right now because of the loss of very key early game minions, namely Zombie Chow and Deathlord. I hate to say it but losing these two cards alone killed Priest, as Chow could often be traded for 2 to 3 other minions and DL allowed you to survive until the mid game, in a lot of cases without taking face damage. Also of note but IMO less key was the loss of Velen's Chosen.
Yeah deathlord was a good card.. btw this season i only played nzoth priest and i ve NEVER lost a game against control warrior (how can i loose they dont press you and you have way more value) .. as i wrote all the game depends on how you mulligan if you are against aggro and you search foard board control cards in ur opening hand ( and you keep for big treats, and play them in the right moment) when you gain the board they cant do anything , all the damage thet dealt to you in the first 5-6 turns can be healed in few turns and they just conced when they understeand it . For example i played a game against a pirate/face warrior but i thought it was a control one and turn 6 end game couse i had no answer prepared to it(i also could have been ''lucky ''like you say in draw) .
You should give it a try (a serius one ) and try to understeand deeply how a nzoth priest works .
Btw if someone ask me what deck use for laddering i ll tell shaman for sure , priest is ''not easy'' to play , game are longer , you cant make missplays and you have to test it a lottt before master it.
Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
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Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
I can feel you. Im not saying that Priest class is unplayable or the worst class or in the bottom Tie, but it just sucks that this class never sees as being a Tier-1 class. (Dragon Priest barely had time to shine on Tier-1) All the other 8 classes had at least one deck Top Tier-1 for a period of time.
Warlock: Zoo, Renolock, Demonlock
Warrior: Control/Tempo/Patron
Paladin: Secret, Aggro, Control/N'Zoth/Midrange
Druid: Midrange/Combo/Aggro
Rogue: Miracle, Maly, Oil
Mage: Mech, Freeze, Tempo
Shaman: Face/Aggro/Midrange
Hunter: Face/Aggro/Hybrid/Midrange
Priest: none (Control/Dragon/OTK/N'Zoth Priest mostly spent time on Tier-2/3)
Why would Blizz be so hesitating on spoiling the Priest class with better (even broken) cards?
Priest not viable? priest is essentially a miracle rogue aka roflstomping control decks but also roflstomping aggro decks , i guess it lose to some midrange but even i doubt it because oh entomb.... priest may aswell be the strongest class right now if you build him correctly with doomsayers etc.. the only weak matchups of this class are renolock , miracle and freeze but they are not hard counters thats for sure.
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Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
Which again has 100% to do with "did I draw it in time." It's not like you get to choose what cards your mulligan gives you.
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I don't see a single question mark in your original post. I thought forums were made for discussions and questions needing answering, not random ranting.
Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
Which again has 100% to do with "did I draw it in time." It's not like you get to choose what cards your mulligan gives you.
Hahahahha ok if you want to think like that continue .. people says priest is is the shittest class in the game ( maybe they can be true ) but how can i and other players have 65/70% winrate ? SOooo the only thing i think is that you cnat play it and you just face shitty priest players with your shaman
I'm playing C'Thun and Dragon priest and it's doing fine for me. Just because someone decides to use another deck may mean it's better but doesn't mean it's not competitive.
Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
Which again has 100% to do with "did I draw it in time." It's not like you get to choose what cards your mulligan gives you.
Hahahahha ok if you want to think like that continue .. people says priest is is the shittest class in the game ( maybe they can be true ) but how can i and other players have 65/70% winrate ? SOooo the only thing i think is that you cnat play it and you just face shitty priest players with your shaman
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I am not super great with Priest but I have yet to achieve better than 48% wr with any variant of the deck. Every variant IS dependent on how well you draw and how soon you draw your removal. You cannot choose what you draw in your mulligan and in a lot of games you aren't dropping anything meaningful until at least T4. I don't believe you when you say you have a 65% wr with Priest - what rank are you playing?
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Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
Which again has 100% to do with "did I draw it in time." It's not like you get to choose what cards your mulligan gives you.
Hahahahha ok if you want to think like that continue .. people says priest is is the shittest class in the game ( maybe they can be true ) but how can i and other players have 65/70% winrate ? SOooo the only thing i think is that you cnat play it and you just face shitty priest players with your shaman
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I am not super great with Priest but I have yet to achieve better than 48% wr with any variant of the deck. Every variant IS dependent on how well you draw and how soon you draw your removal. You cannot choose what you draw in your mulligan and in a lot of games you aren't dropping anything meaningful until at least T4. I don't believe you when you say you have a 65% wr with Priest - what rank are you playing?
Now im rank 4 if you want you add me and we can have a game ok ? (As i told you is not becouse of lucky if you beat an aggro deck is more becouse of skills)
Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
Which again has 100% to do with "did I draw it in time." It's not like you get to choose what cards your mulligan gives you.
Hahahahha ok if you want to think like that continue .. people says priest is is the shittest class in the game ( maybe they can be true ) but how can i and other players have 65/70% winrate ? SOooo the only thing i think is that you cnat play it and you just face shitty priest players with your shaman
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I am not super great with Priest but I have yet to achieve better than 48% wr with any variant of the deck. Every variant IS dependent on how well you draw and how soon you draw your removal. You cannot choose what you draw in your mulligan and in a lot of games you aren't dropping anything meaningful until at least T4. I don't believe you when you say you have a 65% wr with Priest - what rank are you playing?
Now im rank 4 if you want you add me and we can have a game ok ? (As i told you is not becouse of lucky if you beat an aggro deck is more becouse of skills)
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Aye, I get the point of tournaments stuff. Even then, it's just one tournament, 32 decks, so even if you can argue something from that, it's not statistically significant even as a tournament thing.
I disagree. I think the deck breakdown for the final eight participants in a tournament is very revealing. Unfortunately I can no longer find the deck lists for the players in The Round of 128; but I remember seeing quite a few Priest decks among them. I made a point of looking at a few for ideas and inspiriation. But when all the dust settled none of the players who did in fact play Priest decks reached The Final Round of 8. Or in other words, of the final 32 decks from a pool of 512 decks, none were Priest.
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Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
Hahaah ok maybe you dont wanna read what i wrote you KEEP removal in starting hand for example a shadow word pain a excavaed evil and a wild pyromancer in the starting hand with no coin ..please try it before talking
Which again has 100% to do with "did I draw it in time." It's not like you get to choose what cards your mulligan gives you.
Hahahahha ok if you want to think like that continue .. people says priest is is the shittest class in the game ( maybe they can be true ) but how can i and other players have 65/70% winrate ? SOooo the only thing i think is that you cnat play it and you just face shitty priest players with your shaman
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I am not super great with Priest but I have yet to achieve better than 48% wr with any variant of the deck. Every variant IS dependent on how well you draw and how soon you draw your removal. You cannot choose what you draw in your mulligan and in a lot of games you aren't dropping anything meaningful until at least T4. I don't believe you when you say you have a 65% wr with Priest - what rank are you playing?
Now im rank 4 if you want you add me and we can have a game ok ? (As i told you is not becouse of lucky if you beat an aggro deck is more becouse of skills)
Priest has always been a skill intensive class to play. If you aren't prepared to lose around 40% of your games right now then don't bother. You need to know your opponents deck better than he/she knows it and be ready for thier plays. You can't rely on massive armor turns to stall or your huge heal ups but you do have the utility in your deck to keep pace with these guys if you play smart. I've been messing around with an N'zoth dragon list that's a lot of fun and I'm getting at least a 70% win rate which I'm ok with. If I wanted to blast through the ranks I wouldn't be torturing myself playing priest. For me it's all about the challenge.
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Priest(N'zoth) is very good right now in my opinion , we are talkin about a t2 just becouse in particular machups is sfavourited (rogue or druid) but can easily beat other control decks.. against warrior is always an easy win , he plays monkey i play nzoth and good game , against nzoth paladin we have 2 entomb for cairne/sylv or tirion.. it does good against aggro decks too , the only important thing is tryng to understeand what deck u re facing and set up a good mulligan: against aggro board control , against control you look for value cards and against tempo you need tempo plays too .
Soo ok we cant compare shaman to priest right now ( even a child can have 70+ % winrate ) but the fun that class give to me is uncountable.(and the winrate is not bad too.....)
I don't know what game you are playing, but priest IS competitive right now. It's not tier 1, but like you posted it is high tier two. High tier two is absolutely high enough to be considered competitive. Competitive in tournaments and competitive on ladder are two different things though. Some decks do better in tournaments and worse on ladder and vice versa. Priest is one of the decks right now that is very competitive for ladder but not so good for tournament play.
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Like I said for the 3rd time now (?), vs Aggro decks you will lose simply because of not drawing your removal in time. Deathlord, Chow, Belcher, Velens....these were all means to an end - delaying the game until you could draw removal. Without them, your "delay" is simply taking face damage. By the time you draw your removal in a lot of matchups vs aggro, a) you're already dead, b) it's too late anyways.
Yes, when you mulligan perfectly and topdeck answers left and right, Priest is easy vs aggro. Any deck is an easy win if you draw well and your opponent doesn't.
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I can feel you. Im not saying that Priest class is unplayable or the worst class or in the bottom Tie, but it just sucks that this class never sees as being a Tier-1 class. (Dragon Priest barely had time to shine on Tier-1) All the other 8 classes had at least one deck Top Tier-1 for a period of time.
Warlock: Zoo, Renolock, Demonlock
Warrior: Control/Tempo/Patron
Paladin: Secret, Aggro, Control/N'Zoth/Midrange
Druid: Midrange/Combo/Aggro
Rogue: Miracle, Maly, Oil
Mage: Mech, Freeze, Tempo
Shaman: Face/Aggro/Midrange
Hunter: Face/Aggro/Hybrid/Midrange
Priest: none (Control/Dragon/OTK/N'Zoth Priest mostly spent time on Tier-2/3)
Why would Blizz be so hesitating on spoiling the Priest class with better (even broken) cards?
Priest not viable? priest is essentially a miracle rogue aka roflstomping control decks but also roflstomping aggro decks , i guess it lose to some midrange but even i doubt it because oh entomb.... priest may aswell be the strongest class right now if you build him correctly with doomsayers etc.. the only weak matchups of this class are renolock , miracle and freeze but they are not hard counters thats for sure.
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I don't see a single question mark in your original post. I thought forums were made for discussions and questions needing answering, not random ranting.
I think everybody's nuts.
I'm playing C'Thun and Dragon priest and it's doing fine for me. Just because someone decides to use another deck may mean it's better but doesn't mean it's not competitive.
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I wonder how different the meta is. I might just throw in the towel and play wild. We'll see.
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Priest had a 27% win rate in the spring tournament, by far the lowest.
https://battlefy.com/2016-hct-spring-season/hct-americas-spring-preliminary/5715601946ce458d12688849/stage/57407a77491a637c12bc49d2/stats
Priest has always been a skill intensive class to play. If you aren't prepared to lose around 40% of your games right now then don't bother. You need to know your opponents deck better than he/she knows it and be ready for thier plays. You can't rely on massive armor turns to stall or your huge heal ups but you do have the utility in your deck to keep pace with these guys if you play smart. I've been messing around with an N'zoth dragon list that's a lot of fun and I'm getting at least a 70% win rate which I'm ok with. If I wanted to blast through the ranks I wouldn't be torturing myself playing priest. For me it's all about the challenge.