People seem to be struggling with balancing these effects. most things are broken, or super broken
If Dead Man's Hand was created as a custom card in this competion, people would have called it OP/ broken/ zomg infinite n'zoths or some other lines like that; with every new expansion the power level rises, it would be wise to keep up with the pace.
That could be a fair argument to make, but not for some of the custom cards we've seen lol. There's good, and then there's game-breaking :/
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That could be a fair argument to make, but not for some of the custom cards we've seen lol. There's good, and then there's game-breaking :/
I admit I have only gone through 5 pages, most of them seemed to be hellbent on balancing it according to 2014 power levels, can you show me an example of those game breaking cards?
That could be a fair argument to make, but not for some of the custom cards we've seen lol. There's good, and then there's game-breaking :/
I admit I have only gone through 5 pages, most of them seemed to be hellbent on balancing it according to 2014 power levels, can you show me an example of those game breaking cards?
There was a perfect example last week - the name of which escapes me at the moment. Frankly, though, I don't feel like looking for it, despite my awareness that the unwillingness to provide an example undermines my point...
...I'm also not keen on pointing-fingers. I might not agree with their balance or whatever, but waving a flag and going "this guy!" is rather rude.
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Alright, just some finishing touches I need to figure out before submission.
Should this be with Druid or Hunter? The theme of this card fits much better with Druid. (Big taunt and shuffle into deck effect. See Malorne and Recycle.) However, Hunter could really use some support for a control archetype, and Druid obviously is doing fine right now in that regard. (Forgot to put "beast" on the hunter one.)
Secondly, which text format looks better? Team5 has done cards both ways. Cornered Sentry has the "Taunt" on a line with the rest of the text, while Direhorn Hatchling gives its "Taunt" a line of it's own.
Finally, which art fits better? If both of them suck please say so.
Thougts about balance is also welcome. I feel like if this is given to Hunter, then the initial body could be a bit stronger because of the lack of card draw.
Alright, just some finishing touches I need to figure out before submission.
Should this be with Druid or Hunter? The theme of this card fits much better with Druid. (Big taunt and shuffle into deck effect. See Malorne and Recycle.) However, Hunter could really use some support for a control archetype, and Druid obviously is doing fine right now in that regard. (Forgot to put "beast" on the hunter one.)
Secondly, which text format looks better? Team5 has done cards both ways. Cornered Sentry has the "Taunt" on a line with the rest of the text, while Direhorn Hatchling gives its "Taunt" a line of it's own.
Finally, which art fits better? If both of them suck please say so.
Thougts about balance is also welcome. I feel like if this is given to Hunter, then the initial body could be a bit stronger because of the lack of card draw.
I already weighed in and said Hunter, but they're both agreeable.
I believe Direhorn Hatchling does that to avoid having a single word in the fourth row; it doesn't look good, when that happens. It's less about convention and more about cleanliness, you know? With that in mind, I'd say the Druid text-format looks better.
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@Lathy If you truly want to balance the card, the mana cost should be borderline-outrageous. I'm talking 8/9/10/11. No sarcasm intended; for the card to exist as-is, the cost needs to be prohibitive enough to justify decision-making. If it's cheap enough, why would you not run it, you know?
How about 7? That makes it un-comboable with Fandral unless you use innervate. I even doubt it would be playable at this cost, but I get why you call for the nerfbat even before it's posted ;)
@Lathy If you truly want to balance the card, the mana cost should be borderline-outrageous. I'm talking 8/9/10/11. No sarcasm intended; for the card to exist as-is, the cost needs to be prohibitive enough to justify decision-making. If it's cheap enough, why would you not run it, you know?
How about 7? That makes it un-comboable with Fandral unless you use innervate. I even doubt it would be playable at this cost, but I get why you call for the nerfbat even before it's posted ;)
If there's one thing I'm good at, it's crying foul lol :^)
7-mana sounds like a fair compromise, I suppose, especially with the upcoming Innervate nerf.
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Alright, just some finishing touches I need to figure out before submission.
Should this be with Druid or Hunter? The theme of this card fits much better with Druid. (Big taunt and shuffle into deck effect. See Malorne and Recycle.) However, Hunter could really use some support for a control archetype, and Druid obviously is doing fine right now in that regard. (Forgot to put "beast" on the hunter one.)
Secondly, which text format looks better? Team5 has done cards both ways. Cornered Sentry has the "Taunt" on a line with the rest of the text, while Direhorn Hatchling gives its "Taunt" a line of it's own.
Finally, which art fits better? If both of them suck please say so.
Thougts about balance is also welcome. I feel like if this is given to Hunter, then the initial body could be a bit stronger because of the lack of card draw.
Honestly this wording seems like ur just forcing it to fit this weeks theme. It might have as well said "Shuffle this into your deck and lower its cost by (2)." I know the way u have it worded lowers the cost of all (default two, but with some wierd shit u can trigger the deathrattle multiple times, so there can be more of them) Moss Creepers ... and that being said i think is a bit too strong anyway. The statline isnt even that bad ... and u get it over and over again and its cheaper and cheaper, this should be 4/6 at best, mby even 3/6.
It definitely fits druid more than hunter and could actually have an interesting interaction with not only N'Zoth, the Corruptor, but Hadronox and card like this could actually push for a hadronox+nzoth deck to be a real thing, which is cool, but like i said, it needs a stat nerf.
Also 100% the wording on the druid one is better. I dont think it needs to be a beast tho, i suppose it doesnt rly matter, but its another bonus (Mark of Y'Shaarj for example) that gives it more power.
I guess...it's a little OP. There are so many Neutral minions could silence the token, and once the token is silenced, you got a permanently Immune with a minor cost. Even you could give the token to opponent by Treachery...Immature advice, hope it would help.
Alright, here are my final drafts? Which one should I go with? Feedback will be returned!
Tough choice: Animus is truly unique, but turning everyone into Lightspawns with A'dal is pretty cool too. All things being equal, I think I have to give it to the Elemental :D Highlander Elemental Shaman sounds like a fun deck archetype.
Is he supposed to be universal, though, giving the adjacent bonus to the opponent?
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Is he supposed to be universal, though, giving the adjacent bonus to the opponent?
Oh yeah, he is XD. Forgot to put the "Your".
Arrrrgh! I'm getting mixed feedback. Some people like Tarot Cards, some people like A'dal, and some like Animus. WHAT DO I DO?!Correct me if I'm wrong, but I already reviewed your Tribal card no?
Is he supposed to be universal, though, giving the adjacent bonus to the opponent?
Oh yeah, he is XD. Forgot to put the "Your".
Arrrrgh! I'm getting mixed feedback. Some people like Tarot Cards, some people like A'dal, and some like Animus. WHAT DO I DO?!Correct me if I'm wrong, but I already reviewed your Tribal card no?
Yes? I can't be bothered to find it, though lol. I remember us being of like mind: "it's boring but fine." As for the mixed feedback:
A. Which card do you like the most? Your opinion > our opinion.
B. Which one of us do you like the most? Their opinion > the rest of us haha :^)
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I guess...it's a little OP. There are so many Neutral minions could silence the token, and once the token is silenced, you got a permanently Immune with a minor cost. Even you could give the token to opponent by Treachery...Immature advice, hope it would help.
I guess...it's a little OP. There are so many Neutral minions could silence the token, and once the token is silenced, you got a permanently Immune with a minor cost. Even you could give the token to opponent by Treachery...Immature advice, hope it would help.
Stealth solves this. What I see is if it is buffed by an attack so it can remove its stealth then treachery etc.
So i was thinking Stealth + Can't attack
This way there is no way someone can abuse it. Can't bounce, cant buff, cant treachery.
Stealth keeps an enemy from messing with it, but that doesn't make it immune to you. ffinderous' worry is that you could just use someone like Spellbreaker to Silence the Unstable Heart and negate its text. You could coin him out the very-next turn, and counter the downside utterly. Same thing with Treachery; there's nothing stopping you from pushing it to the other side of the board and screwing the enemy.
You might be thinking of Elusive, or "Can't be targeted by spells or hero powers." Even then, that wouldn't prevent Spellbreaker/minion-abuse.
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I guess...it's a little OP. There are so many Neutral minions could silence the token, and once the token is silenced, you got a permanently Immune with a minor cost. Even you could give the token to opponent by Treachery...Immature advice, hope it would help.
Stealth solves this. What I see is if it is buffed by an attack so it can remove its stealth then treachery etc.
So i was thinking Stealth + Can't attack
This way there is no way someone can abuse it. Can't bounce, cant buff, cant treachery.
Stealth keeps an enemy from messing with it, but that doesn't make it immune to you. ffinderous' worry is that you could just use someone like Spellbreaker to Silence the Unstable Heart and negate its text. You could coin him out the very-next turn, and counter the downside utterly. Same thing with Treachery; there's nothing stopping you from pushing it to the other side of the board and screwing the enemy.
You might be thinking of Elusive, or "Can't be targeted by spells or hero powers." Even then, that wouldn't prevent Spellbreaker/minion-abuse.
What about summoning 2 Unstable heart with elusive+stealth?
My favorite is Animus. However I have a question: if you could gain some spells like Cone of Cold or Grievous Bite, how does they work by this?
It would simply cast copies of the spell on adjacent minions. So, if you were to cast Cone of Cold, you would also cast it on minions adjacent to whom you targeted. Animus's effect is basically "Whenever you target a minion with a spell this game, cast copies of it on minions next to it." I ran out of card text space, so I had to make do. Regardless, do you think that the card needs a nerf, or is it fine?Kilrogg Deadeye looks sweet! Of course, I'm kinda biased because I made Tarot Cards, but it's still a nice preparation tool nonetheless. My only concern is that the comma between "permanently" and "the" should be a period.
What about summoning 2 Unstable heart with elusive+stealth?
Honestly, that's kind of convoluted. If you wanted to prevent all potential abuse-problems, you would say this:
"Stealth. Can't attack. Can't be targeted by spells or hero powers. Cannot be Silenced."
That's a lot of qualifiers. If you have to jump through this many hoops to make it work...it might be time to consider more dramatic retooling :/
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I admit I have only gone through 5 pages, most of them seemed to be hellbent on balancing it according to 2014 power levels, can you show me an example of those game breaking cards?
When the weak court death, they find it.
...I'm also not keen on pointing-fingers. I might not agree with their balance or whatever, but waving a flag and going "this guy!" is rather rude.
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Alright, just some finishing touches I need to figure out before submission.
Should this be with Druid or Hunter? The theme of this card fits much better with Druid. (Big taunt and shuffle into deck effect. See Malorne and Recycle.) However, Hunter could really use some support for a control archetype, and Druid obviously is doing fine right now in that regard. (Forgot to put "beast" on the hunter one.)
Secondly, which text format looks better? Team5 has done cards both ways. Cornered Sentry has the "Taunt" on a line with the rest of the text, while Direhorn Hatchling gives its "Taunt" a line of it's own.
Finally, which art fits better? If both of them suck please say so.
Thougts about balance is also welcome. I feel like if this is given to Hunter, then the initial body could be a bit stronger because of the lack of card draw.
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Any improvements? Balancing?
Alright, here are my final drafts? Which one should I go with? Feedback will be returned!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I already reviewed your Tribal card no?
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Kilrogg Deadeye looks sweet! Of course, I'm kinda biased because I made Tarot Cards, but it's still a nice preparation tool nonetheless. My only concern is that the comma between "permanently" and "the" should be a period.
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