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Those cards are strong, they just dont fit into current decks. This DOES fit into every current druid deck alongside wild growth, and perhaps into new decks INSTEAD of wild growth, depending on the angel lady and other druid cards.

No one will play this card in a current combo deck, Wild Growth works because the ramp is permanent but this card will only let you ramp every now and then. Even then it will unlikely be for more than a turn. Lowering the curve to make this card better only makes it more pointless. 

And how does Troggzor "not fit into a deck", his effect requires no synergy whatsoever. Its simply that most of the time its useless, no matter how powerful it "could" be. Just like Dragon Consorts effect and this cards will be.

Also that "angel lady" is Aviana, lets hope she's at least somewhat useful unlike this card.

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Those cards are strong, they just dont fit into current decks. This DOES fit into every current druid deck alongside wild growth, and perhaps into new decks INSTEAD of wild growth, depending on the angel lady and other druid cards.

No one will play this card in a current combo deck, Wild Growth works because the ramp is permanent but this card will only let you ramp every now and then. Even then it will unlikely be for more than a turn. Lowering the curve to make this card better only makes it more pointless. 

And how does Troggzor "not fit into a deck", his effect requires no synergy whatsoever. Its simply that most of the time its useless, no matter how powerful it "could" be. Just like Dragon Consorts effect and this cards will be.

Also that "angel lady" is Aviana, lets hope she's at least somewhat useful unlike this card.

With only 30 cards per deck Troggzor doesn't "help" any decks current "theme" and we don't have room to sacrifice something for him.  It's really pretty obvious why he doesn't.  His effect doesn't require synergy but we need other cards that synergize better with whatever the deck we are playing does do.  

Honestly not sure why I am explaining this, at this point if you don't get it you are either just arguing because you desperately want to be right beyond common knowledge and sense and are too stubborn to admit it or you are a troll.

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Those cards are strong, they just dont fit into current decks. This DOES fit into every current druid deck alongside wild growth, and perhaps into new decks INSTEAD of wild growth, depending on the angel lady and other druid cards.

No one will play this card in a current combo deck, Wild Growth works because the ramp is permanent but this card will only let you ramp every now and then. Even then it will unlikely be for more than a turn. Lowering the curve to make this card better only makes it more pointless. 

And how does Troggzor "not fit into a deck", his effect requires no synergy whatsoever. Its simply that most of the time its useless, no matter how powerful it "could" be. Just like Dragon Consorts effect and this cards will be.

Also that "angel lady" is Aviana, lets hope she's at least somewhat useful unlike this card.

2mana for a 2/3 that has a huge potential if left on the board is FAR from crap. It might be a bit unplayed but the potential is there. Troggzor and Dragon Consort are far from crap cards, I don't know what you are talking about. If for you every cards that are not an auto-include in every deck is a crap card, then fine, this card will be crap then.

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With only 30 cards per deck Troggzor doesn't "help" any decks current "theme" and we don't have room to sacrifice something for him.  It's really pretty obvious why he doesn't.  His effect doesn't require synergy but we need other cards that synergize better with whatever the deck we are playing does do.  

Yeah because Dr Booms "theme" fits and has synergy with all the decks he's in right?

The fact that the best defence for this card is "you just don't get it" says it all really, not a single scenario presented in this cards favour will ever be consistent. Well other than it always popping out your own Shredders that is.

Hard to say it's better or worse than Wild Growth. Wild Growth has a larger loss of tempo but higher risk/reward since it cannot be removed. There is a HUGE downside f you don't get It out in the first few turns it quickly turns into a bad card with tempo loss that you won't recover. (Paying 2 mana for 4 mana spread out is a bad investment when you consider the tempo loss you gave up to do it, and past turn 10 it turns into a strictly worse than Far Sight losing two mana to cycle). This has less upside but always gives you 2 mana worth of value. I think competitive players who want to lessen risk may run this over Wild Growth.

LMAO. This people saying this card is crap, OMG.

I think this card at least will be experimented with if the deck someone uses already ran a Chow. (Maybe some will try run 1x of each lol...)

1x Darnassus Asprirant instead of 1x Zombie Chow

2x Wild Growth

2x Innervate

Not sure how it will work out (rarely play Druid). But I think it will at least be tried.

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With only 30 cards per deck Troggzor doesn't "help" any decks current "theme" and we don't have room to sacrifice something for him.  It's really pretty obvious why he doesn't.  His effect doesn't require synergy but we need other cards that synergize better with whatever the deck we are playing does do.  

Yeah because Dr Booms "theme" fits and has synergy with all the decks he's in right?

The fact that the best defence for this card is "you just don't get it" says it all really, not a single scenario presented in this cards favour will ever be consistent. Well other than it always popping out your own Shredders that is.

What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

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What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

What about it dying and you have no 3 drops to play and a hand full of 4+ drops?

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What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

What about it dying and you have no 3 drops to play and a hand full of 4+ drops?

What? Why would your hand be full of 4 drops?

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If you think this card is crap, I guess you don't understand it.

Just like Troggzor and Dragon Consort, right?

This card is just a bad Mechwarper at best.

Do you seriously think that Dragon Consort is a bad card?  Like honestly? Dragon Consort is a great card, there's just not enough good dragons in the game right now for it to be played. 

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What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

What about it dying and you have no 3 drops to play and a hand full of 4+ drops?

LOL. Do you actually play this game?

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What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

What about it dying and you have no 3 drops to play and a hand full of 4+ drops?

Then what would you do without this card on Turn 3 anyway? Why do you only have 4+ drops in your hand? Not the card's fault if you don't mulligan correctly.

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In an aggro meta this buys time as your opponent wants to remove it, or you keep the effect of left to be silenced or Tinkmaster Overspark. In a control meta is forces your enemy to take time to deal with it, so you can still ramp up with a wild growth and not lose out because your opponent got to play a minion themselves like an Armoursmith. It would also deny desirable slow plays such as Shield Block or Ice Block.

Silence your own 2 drop or . . . . hope it gets Tinkmastered . . .

I'm also pretty sure any control player will gladly take the chance to kill your ramp.

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What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

What about it dying and you have no 3 drops to play and a hand full of 4+ drops?

If you are running one of these and are still running both wild growths (which is what I assume people would do), what card could have been in its place that would have been better to play on turn 2-3 when you have your hypothetical hand of 4+drops?

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What about playing your own Piloted Shredder on turn 3?

Or what about stopping ignoring the posts that explains why this card could be played?

What about it dying and you have no 3 drops to play and a hand full of 4+ drops?

Then what would you do without this card on Turn 3 anyway? Why do you only have 4+ drops in your hand? Not the card's fault if you don't mulligan correctly.

Also, this card is gonna be played mostly in Ramp Druid... what about shade of naxxramas, what about innervate and wildgrowth?

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I hope this card will still work with the angel-type being that is the new legendary

It's a Harpy, but yes I agree

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Also, this card is gonna be played mostly in Ramp Druid... what about shade of naxxramas, what about innervate and wildgrowth?

Your gonna play this card so you might be able to play those cards after this? Instead of just playing those cards like you would normally?

Do YOU actually play this game?

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Then what would you do without this card on Turn 3 anyway? Why do you only have 4+ drops in your hand? Not the card's fault if you don't mulligan correctly.

Because most Druid decks only play 1 set of 3 drops and 4+ drop minions? You know because thats the whole point of ramping, to play more bigger minions?

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what card could have been in its place that would have been better to play on turn 2-3 when you have your hypothetical hand of 4+drops?

Wrath probably, assuming the opponent has made the mistake of putting something on the board that could be a threat or the hand drawn is not too strong. 1 damage and a card draw is nice and 3 damage is almost certainly a removal.

You would have taken out a wrath for this guy? i would think you would want to keep both wraths in the deck.

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Also, this card is gonna be played mostly in Ramp Druid... what about shade of naxxramas, what about innervate and wildgrowth?

Your gonna play this card so you might be able to play those cards after this? Instead of just playing those cards like you would normally?

Do YOU actually play this game?

You know what? There is something called topdecking if you have your hand filled with 4 mana or more minions like you said before... sigh...