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Oh, ok i get I mean it could spin out control pretty easy with cards such has rivendare making a huge loop were you end with a deck of 60 cards with most of them being Malorne.

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Just indulge me and find me a Hunter deck with Nerubian Egg that's either proven effective at legend rank or that was played in a tournament. If it exists at some obscure part of the ladder that does not demonstrate that it's played at a high level, and I've not seen a single copy in the past 200 games or so I've played against a Hunter or seen someone play against one. And if you activate it with Steamwheedle Sniper you're paying 4 mana for a 4/4, not to mention that I don't see the appeal of Steamwheedle in aggro Hunter (neither Beast nor Deathrattle synergy and the effect is board control oriented, suited for midrange/control).

First of all, sorry for the late reply. Been very busy lately.

As for your post itself, I find sections like this silly. If you want to find a hunter deck with Nerubian Egg, literally all you have to do is search for a Hunter deck that contains Nerubian Egg. This site let's you do this quite easily. It's really not that hard. I don't know why people I debate with can never seem to find these things themselves. But I started it for you anyway. I took ten minutes to find two decks at random. The first one had a high rating. The second one was a deathrattle based deck which at least parts of it contained cards that would look good in a deck like that with Feign Death. Here are the decks.

If you aren't satisfied, you can go look for yourself on your own time. You were the one who asked afterall. I didn't look very long and I found these and more. But for some reason my experience with talks like this is that whenever anyone who asks me to look for something like this actually looks themselves, they can never seem to find anything which takes me 5-10 minutes tops to find. I sincerely hope you aren't one of those people or we will never get anywhere with this part of the discussion. But I digress.

The point is Nerubian Egg is included on occasion and will likely only be included more with Feign Death. As for Steamwheedle Sniper, it's a very good card. It gives the Hunter more removal to keep the board control to continue to put pressure on you. It's combination with Nerubian Egg was just an example of why I think Nerubian Egg will be trending up in Hunter decks. And actually,  you were wrong about the combo. You would be paying 6 (plus the hero shot) for a 4/4 AND a 2/3. That's 6/7 stats for 6 mana which is decent.

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Cult Master is rarely played competitively. It's pretty hit or miss, it's quite awkward.

My only point was it's a viable option if you want more card draw because you were talking about the Hunter not having much card draw. That's why I brought it up. Although it can be friendly in combination with deathrattles. If you want less draw because you don't like it that's fine with me.

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Yes, decks are built for mana curve, but yours literally used all mana to play a card every turn for 5 turns. This is extremely rare, and even if you do manage it, you rarely manage to make it so minion heavy. Your conception of Hunter openings sounds a lot more like someone who's only ever played against Hunter (and remembers perfect openings a lot more than the ones where they played no 1 drop and only a 2 drop at 3 mana) than someone who's actually played Hunter himself. Your secrets, spells and midrange minions do not disappear from the deck when you mulligan.

Look, it was just an example. I don't know how many times I have to say this. You can question my knowledge all you want but since you aren't getting the point I don't think you really even understand what you are even talking about here. You don't like scenario or my halfhearted mana curve. Whatever. To be blunt, it's not even relevant to my point.  My only point was that there are plenty of cheap deathrattles that can synergize with this card and I gave an example. You are getting stuck on the details you fail to see what I'm getting at here. The end result was with 1 deathrattle on the board survived until the combo turn. Then on turn 5, they were able to use feign death with multiple deathrattles due to cheap ones being in the hand that were able to be played on the same turn as feign death due to cost. THAT would not be uncommon, particularly in a meta where cards like Feign Death exist. And this is my main point. Throw out all the other BS you are distracting yourself with. Opportunities like that are not that uncommon with Hunter.

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Yes, you can deal with the opening, if you have AOE (often 2/30 cards) early. You can answer Undertaker if you have early removal or a Silence (usually around 3-4/30 cards) at hand. Basically, your draw needs to be just as focused on early game with (at least with a lot of slower decks) much fewer early game cards. Unstable Ghoul is sometimes played in 1 deck type (Control Warrior), because it's really weak in most match ups. Also, you've still taken a ton of damage, and you seem to insist that Hunter can't win without cards on the board. A lot of the time though, if a Hunter has a really strong start, they can literally never have a board advantage past about turn 6 and still win. Two Kill Commands and two Eaglehorn Bows are 22 damage, there's the hero power, an Animal Companion might turn out to be Huffer, your opponent might have played a big Taunt and you had an Ironbeak Owl ready. When the opponent catches up on board with <15 health while you have 30, their chances are not good. I'm also amazed you consider Freeze Mage of all things to have an easy time with Hunter.

I think we are getting distracted again. Yes, the Hunter can finish you off if they have a good start. It doesn't always happen. And I don't know what your experience with playing Hunter is or facing Hunter is. But I would be shocked if you have literally never either lost with 4 deathrattles on the board at once or beat some Hunter with 4 deathrattles on the board at once. My only point with freeze age was that it can stall and use AoE. A hunter may have 4 deathrattles on the board at once but it doesn't matter if he never attacks with them. We aren't talking about match up stregnth we are talking about what can turn the tables against your supposed automatic win condition of a hunter with 4 deathrattles on the board at once. My only point is you take it too much for granted that it results in a win. If it results in a win even as much as 70% of the time, and I'm not saying it does, what about the other 30%? Does a win more card really not actually win more games? That's my point. A card like that could bring it up from 70-30 to more like 95-5. It seals the deal and makes sure there is no opportunity for a momentum shift.

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I won't go into the Bloodlust argument or Shaman in general, since I agree, it's not the point. But you should note that if you think not putting in a Bloodlust is a mistake you're essentially claiming to understand the class better than about 90% of the highest level competitive (tournament and high legend ladder) players.

I haven't kept up with the last few tournaments because of my real life obligations. I would be curious to know how many Shaman have actually won recently. I'm not trying to be a smart alec, here. But my understanding had been different before I tuned out. That aside, I would like to say that I do not by any means know more about the Shaman class than pros. However, there is one thing about the class I do know. It requires burst to be most effective. A card like Bloodlust can seal the deal, set up for other burst finishers, and make sure games that would drag out longer simply result in a win for you instead. I do not know more than the pros. But if they would refuse to run even one copy of the card, I couldn't see that as anything but a mistake.

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My point is though, if you're drawing Feign Death late you're not drawing Savannah Highmane, or Kill Command, or any other card you actually want to see then. If you drop it with 2 low cost deathrattles it's fine, but honestly not impressive. It's really good in a strong position, but I'm just underwhelmed by cards that are great when everything else is great.

If you have a deathrattle or two that survives to a turn where you can combo it with a couple more cheap deathrattles from your hand, it becomes really good. They don't always have to all already be on the board in order to work. I don't know why people assume that. If the card help you win it's not misplaced. You seem to be thinking it's a "win more" card when it's actually a win more games card. But it seems you and I will disagree until the scoreboard dictates one way or the other.

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So anyone done anything with this card to make it live up to the hype?

My favourite thing to do is to wait until your opponent plays a huge card then Sylvanas Windrunner + Feign Death

In my limited experiance, the card doesn't do much most of the time. It tends to end up being a win more card when I see it. Haven't played a deck with it so I may not have the full picture.

Now that Hunter has a decent early game removal spell with Quick Shot, could a midrange/late-game Hunter be viable combined with Feign Death?

Has anyone had any success with this card lately? I've got some extra dust lying around that I'm considering throwing its way.

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Now that Hunter has a decent early game removal spell with Quick Shot, could a midrange/late-game Hunter be viable combined with Feign Death?

Has anyone had any success with this card lately? I've got some extra dust lying around that I'm considering throwing its way.

I haven't tried, but it's a good idea.  It's only a matter of time before newer cards make Feign Death sing IMHO.