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This card is bad.

Sometimes I'm shocked at how wrong the community predictions are. The card does nothing when it comes out on an empty board which means that you need to develop your board a bit before playing it and the hero power is also completely useless on an empty board. Looks good on paper but in practice it is bad. I would strongly advise against crafting it.

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This card is bad.

Sometimes I'm shocked at how wrong the community predictions are. The card does nothing when it comes out on an empty board which means that you need to develop your board a bit before playing it and the hero power is also completely useless on an empty board. Looks good on paper but in practice it is bad. I would strongly advise against crafting it.

 100% agreed.  Evolve is strong because it's cheap and can be combined in the middle game for board swings.  The Hero Power itself is on par with the Un'Goro Hunter Hero Power that gives a beast +2/+2.  Yeah it can technically snowball out of control...but most likely it's just too slow to work that way.  

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Quote from EternalHS >>

This card is bad.

Sometimes I'm shocked at how wrong the community predictions are. The card does nothing when it comes out on an empty board which means that you need to develop your board a bit before playing it and the hero power is also completely useless on an empty board. Looks good on paper but in practice it is bad. I would strongly advise against crafting it.

 100% agreed.  Evolve is strong because it's cheap and can be combined in the middle game for board swings.  The Hero Power itself is on par with the Un'Goro Hunter Hero Power that gives a beast +2/+2.  Yeah it can technically snowball out of control...but most likely it's just too slow to work that way.  

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Quote from EternalHS >>

This card is bad.

Sometimes I'm shocked at how wrong the community predictions are. The card does nothing when it comes out on an empty board which means that you need to develop your board a bit before playing it and the hero power is also completely useless on an empty board. Looks good on paper but in practice it is bad. I would strongly advise against crafting it.

 100% agreed.  Evolve is strong because it's cheap and can be combined in the middle game for board swings.  The Hero Power itself is on par with the Un'Goro Hunter Hero Power that gives a beast +2/+2.  Yeah it can technically snowball out of control...but most likely it's just too slow to work that way.  

This card will probably result in me auto-conceding every Shaman match in the future. This is insanely OP. 

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Quote from EternalHS >>

This card is bad.

Sometimes I'm shocked at how wrong the community predictions are. The card does nothing when it comes out on an empty board which means that you need to develop your board a bit before playing it and the hero power is also completely useless on an empty board. Looks good on paper but in practice it is bad. I would strongly advise against crafting it.

 100% agreed.  Evolve is strong because it's cheap and can be combined in the middle game for board swings.  The Hero Power itself is on par with the Un'Goro Hunter Hero Power that gives a beast +2/+2.  Yeah it can technically snowball out of control...but most likely it's just too slow to work that way.  

 Honestly if it weren't for evolve shaman being the best deck out there right now, this wouldn't be a bad argument.  As far as the hero power goes, I don't think you are far wrong, but shaman and hunter are trying to do different things.  Hunter currently doesn't have a game plan beyond putting more pressure out there and getting in the face damage every turn. Dinomancy just doesn't have a place in the hunter style of play.  I think shaman though could get a lot of work out of the hero power.  I don't know how "good" it is but I don't think it's bad.  

I will say this though.  I don't think this card belongs in the current iteration of evolve shaman.

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Another factor that the detractors of the hero power seem to be ignoring is that a shaman deck with this card can afford to be quite a bit more conservative than the all-in token spammy shenanigans we have now. You can run extra card draw/generation and bide your time with existing minions and play like you're a freaking priest with Justicar Trueheart's hero power that's only usable on your minions. It's just that strong..

It's not like shaman lacks control tools to enable such a playstyle either.

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Another factor that the detractors of the hero power seem to be ignoring is that a shaman deck with this card can afford to be quite a bit more conservative than the all-in token spammy shenanigans we have now. You can run extra card draw/generation and bide your time with existing minions and play like you're a freaking priest with Justicar Trueheart's hero power that's only usable on your minions. It's just that strong..

It's not like shaman lacks control tools to enable such a playstyle either.

 eh they don't have a good card draw engine which is the biggest reason why I think that card generation will have to be the answer.  The most obvious source of is elementals, at the moment.

There's still plenty of options.

Stonehill Defender, Harrison Jones, Fight Promoter (which actually works if you can consistently evolve a cheap Thing from Below or Nerubian Prophet on the same turn you play it, play Jinyu Waterspeaker or evolve something on the board).

All are really good evolve targets, too.

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Another factor that the detractors of the hero power seem to be ignoring is that a shaman deck with this card can afford to be quite a bit more conservative than the all-in token spammy shenanigans we have now. You can run extra card draw/generation and bide your time with existing minions and play like you're a freaking priest with Justicar Trueheart's hero power that's only usable on your minions. It's just that strong..

It's not like shaman lacks control tools to enable such a playstyle either.

 eh they don't have a good card draw engine which is the biggest reason why I think that card generation will have to be the answer.  The most obvious source of is elementals, at the moment.

There's still plenty of options.

Stonehill Defender, Harrison Jones, Fight Promoter (which actually works if you can consistently evolve a cheap Thing from Below or Nerubian Prophet on the same turn you play it, play Jinyu Waterspeaker or evolve something on the board).

All are really good evolve targets, too.

Stonehill Defender is great for sure.  Love that card and it's pretty solid in shaman. Harrison Jones is a tech card and not a good "draw" card.   He is good weapon destruction with a draw upside. Fight Promoter just isn't good.  If I have to play a creature then evolve it to draw two cards, it's no longer card draw, it's card cycle.   Nerubian and Jinyu are great evolve targets, and at the very least I think Jinyu Waterspeaker is worth looking at cause healing with a decent body is solid for control.  Nerubian is really good when you draw it with other low cost early game cards.  Otherwise it's not good outside Evolve.  Normally I would say not to play him because evolve is a limited resource and having too many targets isn't good.  The shaman hero could change that.  It's still something you can only do once a turn and it makes evolve targets (cards that generally already have a fairly high mana cost but a small body) even more expensive to play out and evolve the same turn. 

Basically what I am saying is Fight Promoter and Nerubian Prophet are dubious inclusions in my opinion. Jinyu Waterspeaker and Stonehill Defender are excellent choices. Harrison Jones is card whose worth is entirely decided by the meta that comes about.

 I agree with your analysis on Harrison Jones, but not on Fight Promoter.

Sure, you have to use your hero power on a minion before Fight Promoter gets activated most of the time, but isn't that what you want to do anyway? Evolving a 6 cost minion into a 7 cost one (which is probably going to have 6 health), playing a 4/4 and drawing 2 cards is nothing to sneeze at.

I think this will take elemental shaman to tier 1. 

I don't know why people are hyping this up so much.Whether or not the card is good is entirely up to RNG, especially with so many minions that are almost designed to troll evolution. Even this expansion is getting in on that with things like Bonemare and Ticking Abomination. Is it possible you'll get something amazing out of it? Yes. Is it equally possible you'll take a couple 3 drops and a 5 drop and evolve them into Bomb Squads and Baron Geddon? Yes. I just think it's too much of a crapshoot. The only real combo I can see with it is with Dopplegangster, but there's been a number of cases where having a badass 10-mana play doesn't make a 5-drop good.

I'm certainly not planning to make a deck around this, and to be completely honest I'm predicting the only place I'll see it regularly is on Trolden and similar youtube videos.

Play it and enjoy it while you can.  I see a nerf in its future.

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I had some reasonable success running Fight Promoter in a C'thun druid deck as a one of (along with doomsayers and Kun), while Renolocks were pretty dominant on ladder. It really isn't as bad a card as most people seem to think. It just hasn't had good synergy with any of the popular meta decks. It's bad against aggro, but in a slower meta it's just a pretty solid card if you run some big minions. Often I could just drop it after a big minion stuck on my board unharmed.

By the way, not sure where you got 10 out of 16.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/minion?filter-show-standard=y&filter-unreleased=1&filter-cost-val=7&filter-cost-op=3&filter-premium=1&display=3

If we include the newly revealed cards, there's 34 7-drops in standard. 22 of them have 6+ health. So 2/3rds qualify.

For the moment I think freeze effects will just be too rare. Only 2 good options so far.. Glacial Shard and Cryostasis. Everything else seems too weak or situational to only have synergy with just one legendary in the entire deck to be able to generate cards.

Now we're talking. Maybe the first legend card I'm actually excited about. The Battlecry coupled with the hero power are both very powerful effects and this only costs 5 compared to the higher costed Mage and Hunter ones. I will be surprised if this isn't a meta-deck staple.

Dopp + This is pretty bad.  Look at the 7-drops in standard.  There's maybe 6 that are good, 25 that are average at best.  I doubt this is as good as you all think. 

Voted very good.

Evolve shaman is a deck, and this might fit into it. Could see myself cutting a bloodlust.

i already hate playing against this card

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I don't know why people are hyping this up so much.Whether or not the card is good is entirely up to RNG, especially with so many minions that are almost designed to troll evolution. Even this expansion is getting in on that with things like Bonemare and Ticking Abomination. Is it possible you'll get something amazing out of it? Yes. Is it equally possible you'll take a couple 3 drops and a 5 drop and evolve them into Bomb Squads and Baron Geddon? Yes. I just think it's too much of a crapshoot. The only real combo I can see with it is with Dopplegangster, but there's been a number of cases where having a badass 10-mana play doesn't make a 5-drop good.

I'm certainly not planning to make a deck around this, and to be completely honest I'm predicting the only place I'll see it regularly is on Trolden and similar youtube videos.

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i already hate playing against this card

The more I think about this card the more I think how wrong I could've been in my initial response to the card. Having a third "evolve" in your deck might just be sick, even if the battlecry isn't that much better than evolve. Might be wrong to say its weaker cause its not as good as evolve, because the evolve kind of effect is sick when it goes off. Maybe more copies = more consistency and more power.

I still have my doubts though for sure, but I just also have doubts about my doubts. God that art is so good.