I love how this post bounces from wanting to keep Reno to some people saying we should have kept Dr. Boom to some people wanting a return of Loatheb or to keep Justicar. I'm quite glad that we have a card rotation system in place now. There is 0 justification to add any of these cards into the basic set, as it breaks the mold recently installed. If you enjoy Reno, play him while he's here. Let's however, not pretend like there are SOO many classes with Tier A decks running Reno atm and that it would be so devasting to standard when he leaves. OP may as well have titled this "I Love Reno Lock." Reno decks will always be limited by a smaller card pool in standard. However as some others have stated Reno may shine in wild over time.
Justicar Trueheart: Doesn't have decks built around it. Doesn't create a new archetype. Has a very unique effect.
Loatheb: Doesn't have decks built around it. Doesn't create a new archetype. Has a very unique effect.
Dr. Boom: Doesn't have decks built around it. Doesn't create a new archetype. Has a not very special though technically unique effect.
Reno Jackson: Does have decks built around it. Does create a new archetype. Has a very unique effect.
That's why I think, that of all these cards, Reno Jackson deserves to stay in standard the most. That's my argument, the fact that I like Reno is not relevant in any way.
This is exactly why Reno should not stay in standard. Reno, by being able to create an entire deck archetype means that several decks, while slightly different each time, will always be in rotation, which is exactly the reason why the devs decided to create standard in the first place. Loatheb and Justicar are versatile and interesting, and they don't enable specific decks so people would still play them but not the same deck archetype after rotation, which is why they would actually work in classic (Dr. Boom is a little too versatile, by virtue of it's general OPness, which is a perfect example of why cards should also be lower in power level on top of being versatile). Ultimately though, even those cards shouldn't be added to standard, because that would ultimately remove the point of standard if cards could just be added back in arbitrarily.
It would be simple enough for them to print a Reno like card in the expansion that rotates LoE out, and it gets us to spend gold or dust to acquire it.
Yah. A poorly designed card. Definitely not the 7/7 for 4 mana, a wildfire weapon with 8 durability which is extremely easy to combo with, a minion with high defense that gains an extra attack whenever you summon another minion, ... I could go on all day.
But, please, continue calling the only source for control decks in most classes a cancerous and poorly designed card. I can feel the credibility pouring out through your keyboard.
No. The faster that cancer rotates out of Standard, the better
Hello there salty aggro player who says control decks are cancerous because you cant smorc them :/ learn to play mate
Ugh, I hate this argument. Guys, Reno isn't good against aggro. Why do you think we don't see very many Reno decks in standard with all the aggro you see in standard nowadays? Because games that end at around turn 7 do not make it easy for you to draw and play Reno, and even if you do you're still going to get burst down in another 5 turns.
Yah. A poorly designed card. Definitely not the 7/7 for 4 mana, a wildfire weapon with 8 durability which is extremely easy to combo with, a minion with high defense that gains an extra attack whenever you summon another minion, ... I could go on all day.
But, please, continue calling the only source for control decks in most classes a cancerous and poorly designed card. I can feel the credibility pouring out through your keyboard.
Listing a bunch of op aggro cards is not a valid argument against the criticisms on Reno Jackson, a card that, if I were using your rhetoric, would be a card that heals your hero completely, undoing all the progress your opponent went through that game, in exchange for making your deck more interesting.
Reno is a great card. I'd just rather put the pressure on them to innovate further and create more great cards. That's what will really keep things fresh. While we're at it, change "Classic" packs to be "Core", and do annual rotations. Take archetype-defining cards, those that have just been too prevalent, or others that inhibit future design out - they're still "Classic", but are now in Wild. Then, take staple defensive cards (Zombie Chow, Bomb Lobber, Kezan Mystic, Explosive Sheep), and add them to "Core" packs, along with a few selections they feel are appropriate to promote for the current year (maybe even a year where Reno comes back). So, now that these cards are in the current Standard rotation, they're possible to open in Core packs, which replaces Classic as the same type awarded for Tavern Brawl, Spectate quests, and those first few new player quests.
No. The faster that cancer rotates out of Standard, the better
Hello there salty aggro player who says control decks are cancerous because you cant smorc them :/ learn to play mate
Ugh, I hate this argument. Guys, Reno isn't good against aggro. Why do you think we don't see very many Reno decks in standard with all the aggro you see in standard nowadays? Because games that end at around turn 7 do not make it easy for you to draw and play Reno, and even if you do you're still going to get burst down in another 5 turns.
I guess you dont play reno decks (especially warlock), and its still very good (at least i have a very good winrate with it) the main problem is it always costs around 10k dust and you can make 5 smorc instead, and since 90% of hs players care more about winning no matter how than having fun (what should be the main reason since its a game, and it cant be marked as competitive with the huge amounts of rng) they will netdeck that 5 aggro deck to get that mighty legend.
They should move cards like Fiery Winaxe, Truesilver Champion, Fireball, Sylvanas, Ragnaros and etc out of standard if that's the case.
Chances are, at least some of the classic cards will be further nerfed. After all, the devs want it so that each deck contains no more than a few basic/classic cards, especially not powerful neutrals. War axe, truesilver, and fireball will probably stay forever, but cards like Alex and ice block could well see nerfs next year.
It seems like you're a player who likes when there's only a few decks in the meta. Well, I'm not, I like when the meta has as many different decks in play as it can get and I'd love to see cards creating their own archetype stay in standard forever. In the end, it's just a matter of opinion I guess...
There will always be only a few decks in the meta, no matter how many tools are added to the game. After all, the meta is more or less defined as the top 10 or so decks.
For people who think he should become a permanent standard card just to preserve an archetype, do you think that Grim Patron should be made a part of the permanent set? Thaurissan? C'thun / N'zoth / Yogg? Tunnel Trogg and Totem Golem? One of the main points of the standard format is to avoid "permanent" archetypes; and it's hard to justify an exception to that simply because this one happens to be much-beloved by a fairly small, but enthusiastic, subset of the community.
Reno's place is in Wild where his limitation isn't a liability. In Standard, he would just be a crutch for Blizzard to say "see we do have a great neutral healing option, so we don't need to print more/other neutral healing." Control players should have a viable ladder solution that doesn't involve either a singleton deck or the entire C'thun card set.
Thaurissan doesn't make an archetype, it only helps the combo one. And regarding Grim Patron, yes I think it should stay in standard as well. Though Grim Patron is not as versatile as Reno Jackson is. C'Thun -> same thing. N'Zoth and Yogg are just win condition cards, not cards creating an archetype.
That means you have no understanding of why Standard exist. Honestly, given the stuff that is said by people here, I think Ben Brode should have rotated out classic as well and be done with it.
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People who refuses to play aggro out of principle are even worse than people who play exclusively aggro.
One should seek to become a complete player and play all archetypes, including ones that he despises for whatever irrational reasons.
No. The faster that cancer rotates out of Standard, the better
It would be simple enough for them to print a Reno like card in the expansion that rotates LoE out, and it gets us to spend gold or dust to acquire it.
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Yah. A poorly designed card. Definitely not the 7/7 for 4 mana, a wildfire weapon with 8 durability which is extremely easy to combo with, a minion with high defense that gains an extra attack whenever you summon another minion, ... I could go on all day.
But, please, continue calling the only source for control decks in most classes a cancerous and poorly designed card. I can feel the credibility pouring out through your keyboard.
Reno is a great card. I'd just rather put the pressure on them to innovate further and create more great cards. That's what will really keep things fresh. While we're at it, change "Classic" packs to be "Core", and do annual rotations. Take archetype-defining cards, those that have just been too prevalent, or others that inhibit future design out - they're still "Classic", but are now in Wild. Then, take staple defensive cards (Zombie Chow, Bomb Lobber, Kezan Mystic, Explosive Sheep), and add them to "Core" packs, along with a few selections they feel are appropriate to promote for the current year (maybe even a year where Reno comes back). So, now that these cards are in the current Standard rotation, they're possible to open in Core packs, which replaces Classic as the same type awarded for Tavern Brawl, Spectate quests, and those first few new player quests.
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Where's the NO poll option?
Those who think this should be added to basic, need to be shot in the hands.
Kiss my ass.
Sincerely,
Vince McMahon
People who refuses to play aggro out of principle are even worse than people who play exclusively aggro.
One should seek to become a complete player and play all archetypes, including ones that he despises for whatever irrational reasons.
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For people who think he should become a permanent standard card just to preserve an archetype, do you think that Grim Patron should be made a part of the permanent set? Thaurissan? C'thun / N'zoth / Yogg? Tunnel Trogg and Totem Golem? One of the main points of the standard format is to avoid "permanent" archetypes; and it's hard to justify an exception to that simply because this one happens to be much-beloved by a fairly small, but enthusiastic, subset of the community.
Reno's place is in Wild where his limitation isn't a liability. In Standard, he would just be a crutch for Blizzard to say "see we do have a great neutral healing option, so we don't need to print more/other neutral healing." Control players should have a viable ladder solution that doesn't involve either a singleton deck or the entire C'thun card set.
People who refuses to play aggro out of principle are even worse than people who play exclusively aggro.
One should seek to become a complete player and play all archetypes, including ones that he despises for whatever irrational reasons.
I like Reno and it's design but I'd much rather not have it in the game as a basic card. Keep the game fresh please!
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