Anyone else getting a lot of concedes when their opponents get Rag?
I don't mind free wins, but this looks like a problem. (An understandable problem, I suppose, as I still have yet to lose a single game with Nef, but have lost plenty with Rag.)
I've run up against some player that have had Rag figured out and there was nothing I could do but hope for a lucky hero power. Once you figure out how to Rag I think its actually more successful than Nefarion.
I've run up against some player that have had Rag figured out and there was nothing I could do but hope for a lucky hero power. Once you figure out how to Rag I think its actually more successful than Nefarion.
Rag isn't hard to play, but he starts out with a nearly insurmountable disadvantage of being 5 crystals behind. In fact, now that I've been playing a while and am being forced to play with Rag more than Nef due to auto-concedes, I'm having quite a few games where Nef is taking me from 60 to 0 in 4 turns.
EDIT: The problem I'm seeing with this is that if it continues and/or gets worse, you'll have a situation where you either play at a disadvantage with Rag or you don't play at all.
I got Nefarian the first two times, and lost both times (quite horribly). I only won once I had Ragnaros. Luck? Possibly, but definitely not unbalanced.
People just don't know how to play Rag - they assume it can't be their fault, so they say it's unbalanced and rage concede.
But it is unbalanced.
I've never found it unbalanced. Rag is control, Nefarian is aggro. If you learn how to play Rag, you should have no problem defeating Nefarian - especially with the level of players that I sometimes face. I've had players leave Coren Direbrew alive and concede when they lose the ensuing Brawl. I assume these are also the people rage-conceding as Rag.
I will say that both rely heavily on getting a good opening hand. I'm guessing that people who are struggling playing as Rag don't usually play heavy control decks!
People just don't know how to play Rag - they assume it can't be their fault, so they say it's unbalanced and rage concede.
But it is unbalanced.
I've never found it unbalanced. Rag is control, Nefarian is aggro. If you learn how to play Rag, you should have no problem defeating Nefarian - especially with the level of players that I sometimes face. I've had players leave Coren Direbrew alive and concede when they lose the ensuing Brawl. I assume these are also the people rage-conceding as Rag.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm of the belief that any Hearthstone player worth their salt should find easy victories with a 5 crystal lead from the start. Playing against bad players doesn't make the two heroes balanced. I've won games with Rag, but I'm still undefeated as Nefarian.
I thought it was terribly unbalanced as well, but then started playing Rag as a control warrior and now win most of my games with him. It is unbalanced, but it is unbalanced like the heroic modes are, makes it fun and can create some entertaining games.
People just don't know how to play Rag - they assume it can't be their fault, so they say it's unbalanced and rage concede.
Not really, if you check top streamers they all agree that the fight is highly unbalanced (and top streamers are almost all pro players so I doubt they don't know how to play the game).
To be honest I think the matchmaking pairs you with the people of your same rank and this is why some people here in hearthpwn find ragnaros fine while it obviously isn't.
But staying on topic, yeah it's quite pathetic conceding if you don't get Nefarian, I actually prefer getting Rag because at least it's somehow challenging to use.
Yeah, I aggre that Rag is more challenging to play than Nef. In fact, I find I actually have to try to lose as Nef, but that might just be because people are terrible. I even had one game where I contemplated using my Tree of Life to bring Rag back to 60hp just to get a challenge out of him.
On stream yesterday Trump got his first 7/8 fights as Nefarian. He then proceeded to concede his next two which were again Nefarian so that he could play as the underdog.
The first 8 matches I played were all with Rag and I won multiple times, but I really wanted to play as Nef, so I just started conceding until i got him. It wasn't until the 21st match that I FINALLY got Nef. I lost terribly, but I wanted to try it out haha
Exactly, Ragnaros has an exceedingly strong late game. I've played about 30 odd brawls by now, and from what I can understand, most of these guys, as soon as they get nefarion and notice the mana advantage, immediately start playing out their hand, trying to get as many minions on the board as possible, now in certain scebarios that does work, if ragnaros doesn't get any removals whatsoever, but that should be rare, since rag has loads of clearances. The trick is, to keep using your weapon as rag, for the first five turns, maintaining board control, and as soon as you get the 'die insect' hero power, switch to aggro. Direbrew gives you a nine mana guaranteed board clearance, so it really isn't all that unbalanced.
Exactly, Ragnaros has an exceedingly strong late game. I've played about 30 odd brawls by now, and from what I can understand, most of these guys, as soon as they get nefarion and notice the mana advantage, immediately start playing out their hand, trying to get as many minions on the board as possible, now in certain scebarios that does work, if ragnaros doesn't get any removals whatsoever, but that should be rare, since rag has loads of clearances. The trick is, to keep using your weapon as rag, for the first five turns, maintaining board control, and as soon as you get the 'die insect' hero power, switch to aggro. Direbrew gives you a nine mana guaranteed board clearance, so it really isn't all that unbalanced.
Eh, I don't agree. Ragnaros just doesn't have the removals to combat things like this, and even if he did, he doesn't have the mana crystals available to use them: (It was my move 2, and in the SS is now his move 3. Needless to say, the game was over two turns later.)
You have Vaelstrasz here, it's one of the best openings you could have and it obviously doesn't happen often.
It doesn't?
The fact that if you start with Vael in your opening hand makes it an instant win only further justifies those who are auto-conceding with Rag. (Although, I have been getting more games in with Nef, thankfully.)
No it doesn't, it's one card in 30 cards deck, you can easily calculate probability.
Yes, I understand probability just fine, thanks. But Vael is not necessary for an easy win with Nef, who I am still undefeated with (I think it's now 12-0).
EDIT: Even if Rag does indeed have a strong late game, it is irrelevant because it's incredibly rare that he'll survive that long. The Nefarian player has to be making some serious egregious errors in order to allow Rag to make it to late game.
Anyone else getting a lot of concedes when their opponents get Rag?
I don't mind free wins, but this looks like a problem. (An understandable problem, I suppose, as I still have yet to lose a single game with Nef, but have lost plenty with Rag.)
Yes, 80% its auto concede.
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Anyone else getting a lot of concedes when their opponents get Rag?
I don't mind free wins, but this looks like a problem. (An understandable problem, I suppose, as I still have yet to lose a single game with Nef, but have lost plenty with Rag.)
People just don't know how to play Rag - they assume it can't be their fault, so they say it's unbalanced and rage concede.
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But it is unbalanced.
I've run up against some player that have had Rag figured out and there was nothing I could do but hope for a lucky hero power. Once you figure out how to Rag I think its actually more successful than Nefarion.
Rag isn't hard to play, but he starts out with a nearly insurmountable disadvantage of being 5 crystals behind. In fact, now that I've been playing a while and am being forced to play with Rag more than Nef due to auto-concedes, I'm having quite a few games where Nef is taking me from 60 to 0 in 4 turns.
EDIT: The problem I'm seeing with this is that if it continues and/or gets worse, you'll have a situation where you either play at a disadvantage with Rag or you don't play at all.
I got Nefarian the first two times, and lost both times (quite horribly). I only won once I had Ragnaros. Luck? Possibly, but definitely not unbalanced.
I've never found it unbalanced. Rag is control, Nefarian is aggro. If you learn how to play Rag, you should have no problem defeating Nefarian - especially with the level of players that I sometimes face. I've had players leave Coren Direbrew alive and concede when they lose the ensuing Brawl. I assume these are also the people rage-conceding as Rag.
You can find me here! Good luck everyone!
I've won as both.
I will say that both rely heavily on getting a good opening hand. I'm guessing that people who are struggling playing as Rag don't usually play heavy control decks!
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Lost as Nef my first match, won as Rag my second. Thus endeth week one Tavern Brawl for me.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm of the belief that any Hearthstone player worth their salt should find easy victories with a 5 crystal lead from the start. Playing against bad players doesn't make the two heroes balanced. I've won games with Rag, but I'm still undefeated as Nefarian.
I thought it was terribly unbalanced as well, but then started playing Rag as a control warrior and now win most of my games with him. It is unbalanced, but it is unbalanced like the heroic modes are, makes it fun and can create some entertaining games.
Yeah, I aggre that Rag is more challenging to play than Nef. In fact, I find I actually have to try to lose as Nef, but that might just be because people are terrible. I even had one game where I contemplated using my Tree of Life to bring Rag back to 60hp just to get a challenge out of him.
On stream yesterday Trump got his first 7/8 fights as Nefarian. He then proceeded to concede his next two which were again Nefarian so that he could play as the underdog.
The first 8 matches I played were all with Rag and I won multiple times, but I really wanted to play as Nef, so I just started conceding until i got him. It wasn't until the 21st match that I FINALLY got Nef. I lost terribly, but I wanted to try it out haha
Exactly, Ragnaros has an exceedingly strong late game. I've played about 30 odd brawls by now, and from what I can understand, most of these guys, as soon as they get nefarion and notice the mana advantage, immediately start playing out their hand, trying to get as many minions on the board as possible, now in certain scebarios that does work, if ragnaros doesn't get any removals whatsoever, but that should be rare, since rag has loads of clearances. The trick is, to keep using your weapon as rag, for the first five turns, maintaining board control, and as soon as you get the 'die insect' hero power, switch to aggro. Direbrew gives you a nine mana guaranteed board clearance, so it really isn't all that unbalanced.
Do you like to play with FIRE..?
Eh, I don't agree. Ragnaros just doesn't have the removals to combat things like this, and even if he did, he doesn't have the mana crystals available to use them: (It was my move 2, and in the SS is now his move 3. Needless to say, the game was over two turns later.)
I auto-concede to Val if she's played on turn 1-3. Other than that I find the decks to be pretty balanced.
It doesn't?
The fact that if you start with Vael in your opening hand makes it an instant win only further justifies those who are auto-conceding with Rag. (Although, I have been getting more games in with Nef, thankfully.)
Yes, I understand probability just fine, thanks. But Vael is not necessary for an easy win with Nef, who I am still undefeated with (I think it's now 12-0).
EDIT: Even if Rag does indeed have a strong late game, it is irrelevant because it's incredibly rare that he'll survive that long. The Nefarian player has to be making some serious egregious errors in order to allow Rag to make it to late game.
Yes, 80% its auto concede.
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