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I don't understand why people auto-concede. Why play tavern brawl at all if you're so against playing as ragnaros?

 I'm guessing it is because people don't like playing when they start out with a clear disadvantage.

EDIT: Bleh, yeah, this is getting pretty old. Out of my last 10 games, I've had Rag 8 times and the two times I've had Nefarian, the first was an auto-concede and the second was an auto-concede after I played Vael with the coin.

Already starting to look like you either play with Rag or don't play. Guess it was fun for a few hours, but time to go back to regular play.

Yes, mulligan is important. I did not have the best draw in the game I discussed above, but it was decent. Also important is the spells that Nefarian gets early on. In this game, Nefarian did not get too much hard removal, which helped me build the board in the mid game.

I am not a very good player, and I have played six games, 2 losses with Nef and 4 wins with Rag.....

I concede as Rag only if he plays vael early and I don't have answers

Probably the only game mode where you don't mind your Deathwing getting Rend'ed because you have an even BIGGER threat waiting in hand haha

I have only played maybe a dozen Brawl's and while this might not be the most creative idea I am still finding it enjoyable.  One thing I don't enjoy is the auto concede from many players as Rag.  It's a wast of my time and I think that there should be some sort of penalty for doing this.  Maybe like a 15 minute lock out of Brawl or something like that. 

Also, the people who do this are crazy because I think that Rag is actually superior to Nef.  I know its a small sample size but I'm like 5-1 with Rag and only 2-2 with Nef (not including auto concedes).  Nef relies way to much on rng for the spells.  If you get good ones, then you are sitting pretty.  If not, Rag has superior cards and once you get his real hero power its basically over.

To those talking about the mana imbalance it really isn't. Vael forced the designers to make all Nef's cards fairly high in mana cost, therefore Nef needs to start with higher mana in order to be able to play a card for the first few turns.  Unless they changed Vael they couldn't lower any costs and give Nef the standard mana start.  Yes it becomes imbalanced when Vael hits the board, but if Vael doesn't hit early or gets neutralized early then the mana isn't an advantage.

I wouldn't say unbalanced. The stakes of each hero are so high due to such powerful cards on each side. I would even go so far as to say Rag has better cards with exceptions being Vaelestraz and Razogore. The thing with such imminent power is that with a bit of luck on either side it can tumble out of control. Rag is at no disadvantage--that any other hero is not subjected to also; that being to RNG. I honestly enjoy rag far more, after turn 7 his control build makes it gg. Happy flames fellow rags!

The main problem I had as rag was not getting my legendaries and it felt like there wasn't enough combo/tempo that worked together. The one time I lost as nef, my opponent played moira, bronzebeard(?, the one who pulls from your deck each turn), and had perfect tempo against my failed hero power of shadowflame x4.

I concede with Nefarian most of the time, cba to have another easy win with Nefarian, although I did lose once and was quite happy..... brawl is doing strange things to HS

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People just don't know how to play Rag - they assume it can't be their fault, so they say it's unbalanced and rage concede.

Even if there is a way to win with him if you're lucky with the cards, Nefarian still has too many advantages, so no, it's not completely their fault if they lose with Rag. I don't concede instantly. I try a few turns and see where the game goes and I actually managed to win with Rag today. Nef needs to be unlucky with his spells so you can get space and then you have to make the most of it.

 

 If you read my post on page 3, you'll see that either both Rag and Nefarian are relatively equal in power or I am apparently a hidden god of Hearthstone (I think the former is more likely). It is complete truth that both decks are relatively equal in power (if anything, since playing more matches, Rag still hold a roughly 5% lead in win rate for me, but as I also said before my individual style is more suited for Rag). Thus I have to agree that it is not the fault of the Rag deck, but the fault of the player for his "underperforming". It seems that so many people have been playing mech mage, face hunter, and other aggressive decks for so long, they forgot how to play like a control Priest or control Pally.

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 Apparently you are a "god".

 

Current statistics (last updated: 17/06/15, 5:52 GMT)

Responses: 1000; games: 7873

Rag: 1937-2266 (total: 4203; win rate of people on reddit: 46%)

Nef: 3008-662 (total: 3670; win rate of people on reddit: 82%)

Overall win rate: Rag: 33%, Nef: 67%

 

So not only do stats disagree with you, but top players disagree with you and anyone who knows HS mechanics to a decent degree and looks at the deck lists also disagrees with you. But I'm sure everyone else is just bad and needs to know how to play like you.

I don't know if you can call statistics where people openly admit they auto concede while playing Rag and even the author sources people lying as a source of problem so great he will no longer maintain the poll as a fair representative of anything by I guess should have expected that when you didn't source your reddit link (it's amazing the number of people with 100% win rate as Nefarian and 0% win rate as Rag after a large number of games, when even the "top players" can only produced an ~80% win rate with Nefarian with less games played). Also the opinion of the "top players" as you put it from there was that Rag was more difficult to play and required more planning not that he wasn't weaker (unless harder = weaker now). Also interestingly, the "top players" I've seen so far in that reddit thread all posted 60 to 80% win rates with the decks, which would agree with what I saw, (that is, if you can play the deck it's pretty balanced).

I also started conceding as Rag once I got some 30 wins. But the reason I concede is not the winrate, I very much enjoy seeing a random spell in my hand and trying to figure out what I can draw. Even if nefarian had a lower winrate, I'd still want to play as nefarian since I don't see much difference between constructed play and playing as rag; they both have straight forward play styles. So don't hate on people conceding as rag, I never "rage-conceded" with it, I just want to get the most fun I can get out of brawl.

Nefarian is much more fun to play and easier to farm gold on. That is all.

Nefarian is just stronger. Better deck, 5 mana start, synergy, op hero power. All these people who claims that ragnaros is better than nefarian and they win as ragnaros every time, because they have "skill" and you dont - L I A R S. You can win Nefarian only, i repeat, O N L Y if he had garbage start hand and u have amazing start with 6 6 taunts, living bombs, 6 3 fire elemental, brawls, and 4 7 corruptor. You just cant. Dont tell bullshit about how good are you with control decks bla bla bla. Maybe you can win like 3 out of 10 games, because rng was in your favor, but it has nothing to do with skill. I'm laughing everytime when someone claims that ragnaros better and who claims othervise just dont know how to play it.

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Nefarian is just stronger. Better deck, 5 mana start, synergy, op hero power. All these people who claims that ragnaros is better than nefarian and they win as ragnaros every time, because they have "skill" and you dont - L I A R S. You can win Nefarian only, i repeat, O N L Y if he had garbage start hand and u have amazing start with 6 6 taunts, living bombs, 6 3 fire elemental, brawls, and 4 7 corruptor. You just cant. Dont tell bullshit about how good are you with control decks bla bla bla. Maybe you can win like 3 out of 10 games, because rng was in your favor, but it has nothing to do with skill. I'm laughing everytime when someone claims that ragnaros better and who claims othervise just dont know how to play it.

 You don't know how to play it though.  The early game is easy enough to control with your weapon and the 5/1 hero power.  Anything short of a Vael being dropped early really shouldn't call for the Corruptor.  Living bombs are tricky to use as well.  You genearally have ot have an empty board since they can pretty much impale the affected creature onto yours to kill most everything in their deck.