With the competitive year winding down now and Karazhan fully out am I the only one incredibly worried about the condition of Standard in 2017?
I realize we still have a full expansion to go before LoE, BRM and TGT cycle out but a look at some of the cards we are losing is incredibly concerning. Don't get me wrong if they manage to find similarly interesting cards it could make for an incredible new ladder experience but pretty much every current deck will either be dead or need an overhaul when the sets cycle out.
Just a look at some of the major cards we are gonna lose.
1) Reno Jackson (Reno Mage+Lock)
2) Elise Starseeker
3) Justicar Trueheart (Control Warrior, Control Priest)
9) Imp Gang Boss, Dark Peddler (Huge Knock to Zoo)
10) RIP All Dragon Decks
11) Anyfin Can Happen (RIP Murloc Paladin)
12) Ethereal Conjurer (Huge loss to a lot of control mage decks)
13) Tunnel Trogg, Totem Golem, Tuskarr Totemic, Thunder Bluff Valiant (Get your golden Shaman's Now)
14) Resurrect, Entomb, Excavated Evil, (Priest going from rock bottom to even worse)
15) Grim Patron
16) Brann Bronzebeard (So many fun interactions gone)
17) Lock and Load (Lock and Load Hunter)
18) Keeper of Uldaman (Big loss to Paladin)
19) Sir Finley (Aggro Shaman, Dragon Warrior, Generally fun decks)
20) Tomb Pillager, big loss for Miracle rogue.
Please don't jump down my throat here, I am not saying it is all bad, but with so many incredible cards cycling out, it puts a lot of pressure on the new expansion to step up or we are gonna be playing a lot of Freeze Mage/CThun decks.
Actually, there will be at least 260 (130x2) cards to fill in the rotation of LOE, BRM, TGT.
By the rotation, we will already have the Winter expansion (Dec 2016), and also the Spring expansion (around Apr/May 2017, same time as OldGods was released right after the first rotation).
Well first of all of those cards can still be plaed in wild. I know you are refeering to standard, and i do believe it will be fine. Personally i believe cards like Thaurissan, Reno and Brann fits perfectly into the wild scene. Sure i will miss them, but i do look forward to a scene without otk, and crazy stuff. I mean right now there is not that big incentive to play wild. My bet is that with those crazy cards in wild that mode will be increasingly popular. Standard will change of course, there will be broken seasons and balanced seasons, but i look forward to the changes. New types of decks, new tiers. Its an interesting time to play hs.
Mostly worried about Shaman, it was a horrible class before Trogg & Totem Friends, when they rotate it will go back to a bad spot.
Most of the other classes will manage. Control Warrior will probably dominate unless Hunter keeps it in check, as it tends to do due to the strong basic set support. Priest will probably become opop to compensate for being in a bad spot now. Other classes will find alternative options. Zoo for example always finds a way somehow.
Will be difficult to top the LoE cards though in terms of impact on the meta.
No one played resurrect because we had early game tools to control the game, Velens, Zombie Chow, Deathlord. Entomb is an absolutely ridiculous loss for priest, one of the few good match ups it had was vs control since it could take their stuff (Tirion, Ysera etc) going to need a LOT of help to fix
When you put it like that, the change from 2016 (Kraken) Standard to 2017 (Chihuahua) Standard will be a bigger deal that the original inception of the Standard format.
Lots of our favourite Standard decks will be leaving.
However, the same game developers who created those cards for us will be hard at work creating something equally cool. Indeed, they have 2 more years experience than they had when they designed those cards so the Chihuahua metagame will probably be EVEN BETTER!
By all means, shed a tear for the friends which we'll lose (or see them over in Wild) but, personally, I'm equally excited to see what comes next and to test my deck design skills against a brand new meta.
don't worry, think that before old gods, hunter wasn't even playable. it lost the mad scientist, instead it got call of the wild which is a card everyone complains about (because it's so strong). also, seeing that hunter has big problems early game, blizzard even created kindly grandmother. the same for mage, tempo mage wasn't good enough to be tier 1 but things changed with karazhan and its firelands portals and babbling books
It's important to keep in mind that Blizzard are more than aware of what's rotating out. Right now it's hard to imagine viable decks with so many key / popular cards rotating out but there will be 2 full expansions released before the next rotation which means totally new archetypes to explore.
Personally I am excited about 2017's rotation. I think it will be the biggest change in the game's history, even more significant than the introduction of formats. Blizzard were learning how to properly balance cards and the loss of TGT, BRM and LoE, while huge will see a standard with a much more balanced power level than we've seen this year.
The game has a really bright future ahead. It's probably going through it's most difficult patch ever ito balance but the next rotation will address that for sure. I can't wait...
The game has a really bright future ahead. It's probably going through it's most difficult patch ever ito balance but the next rotation will address that for sure. I can't wait...
Bright ? It does have a future, but I wouldn't call it Bright without seeing what's next.
The Standard format went closer to its desire to balance classes that I would have thought. You see several valid standard entries lately. But how Blizz plans to refresh the Standard meta without making Wild an overkill (well, when everything is OP, nothing is, right?).
The best example to illustrates my idea is Deathrattle and N'Zoth. The more deathrattle are released, the more N'Zoth become strong. Of course you can't play all of them at once, but you can adapt your picks according to what you need in the meta. No wonder why Control is much more relevant in Wild.
How can you add more Deathrattle, or any redundant mechanic (charge,divine shield, etc) without making Wild a mess, but remaining good in Standard ?
Magic is facing this problem since ages, and barely gave a "Let's say it's something" answer : reprinting, multiplicating messy mechanics (to a point you sometimes needs to do a thesis out of a particular situation), powercreeping. I wonder how Blizz will deal with it.
Wild will balance itself eventually, broken decks will counter other broken decks, and the cycle continues.
Before Entomb, Control Priest was already viable until it meets the Standard Aggro decks nowadays.. Entomb is a must card for Priest in a much slow meta. Priest will be in a good spot if they receive a good replacement tool to control aggro/midrange opponents like Lightbomb and Zombiems Chow.
we will have to see if they want to push Resurrect Priest further in the future to know whether this archetype will stay.
You can't cry over what we are going to lose when we still don't know what we are going to gain!!
Agreed.
It will be tough for Blizz though. They have to account for the unfixed classic set and losses from the rotated sets to balance all the classes and their archetypes again.
In my mind, Blizz had this situation before and didnt deliver. Not to expect too much is always the safest bet.
How you gonna deal with it when the early game moves out? Shaman's only lost like tuskarr totemic and totem golem but they are just going to substitute it with other cards like claws and stuff. Unless they get nerfed, we will see it more and more. Prepare a card like Overloadeater 4 mana 2/4 Battlecry: Eat all your opponent's overloads. Gain +1/+1 for each mana crystal overloaded
It is still to early to talk about what the scene will look like in 2017 but I can tell you for sure that there will still be a zoo warlock deck. Zoo has existed even before Curse of Naxxramas came out. There will always be a zoo warlock deck as long as there are efficient cheap minions. Same goes for freeze mage and control warrior. These three decks have been around forever, in one version or another, so I really can't imagine them leaving unless something changes drastically.
With the competitive year winding down now and Karazhan fully out am I the only one incredibly worried about the condition of Standard in 2017?
I realize we still have a full expansion to go before LoE, BRM and TGT cycle out but a look at some of the cards we are losing is incredibly concerning. Don't get me wrong if they manage to find similarly interesting cards it could make for an incredible new ladder experience but pretty much every current deck will either be dead or need an overhaul when the sets cycle out.
Just a look at some of the major cards we are gonna lose.
1) Reno Jackson (Reno Mage+Lock)
2) Elise Starseeker
3) Justicar Trueheart (Control Warrior, Control Priest)
4) Emperor Thaurissan (So many decks... Freeze Mage, OTK Warrior, Malygos Mage,Druid,Rogue, Etc etc etc)
5) Chillmaw
6) Flamewaker (RIP Tempo Mage)
7) Raven Idol (Huge Loss to Token and Yogg Druid)
8) Elekk, Huge Toad, Quick Shot Hunter)
9) Imp Gang Boss, Dark Peddler (Huge Knock to Zoo)
10) RIP All Dragon Decks
11) Anyfin Can Happen (RIP Murloc Paladin)
12) Ethereal Conjurer (Huge loss to a lot of control mage decks)
13) Tunnel Trogg, Totem Golem, Tuskarr Totemic, Thunder Bluff Valiant (Get your golden Shaman's Now)
14) Resurrect, Entomb, Excavated Evil, (Priest going from rock bottom to even worse)
15) Grim Patron
16) Brann Bronzebeard (So many fun interactions gone)
17) Lock and Load (Lock and Load Hunter)
18) Keeper of Uldaman (Big loss to Paladin)
19) Sir Finley (Aggro Shaman, Dragon Warrior, Generally fun decks)
20) Tomb Pillager, big loss for Miracle rogue.
Please don't jump down my throat here, I am not saying it is all bad, but with so many incredible cards cycling out, it puts a lot of pressure on the new expansion to step up or we are gonna be playing a lot of Freeze Mage/CThun decks.
Actually, there will be at least 260 (130x2) cards to fill in the rotation of LOE, BRM, TGT.
By the rotation, we will already have the Winter expansion (Dec 2016), and also the Spring expansion (around Apr/May 2017, same time as OldGods was released right after the first rotation).
Well first of all of those cards can still be plaed in wild. I know you are refeering to standard, and i do believe it will be fine. Personally i believe cards like Thaurissan, Reno and Brann fits perfectly into the wild scene. Sure i will miss them, but i do look forward to a scene without otk, and crazy stuff. I mean right now there is not that big incentive to play wild. My bet is that with those crazy cards in wild that mode will be increasingly popular. Standard will change of course, there will be broken seasons and balanced seasons, but i look forward to the changes. New types of decks, new tiers. Its an interesting time to play hs.
Mostly worried about Shaman, it was a horrible class before Trogg & Totem Friends, when they rotate it will go back to a bad spot.
Most of the other classes will manage. Control Warrior will probably dominate unless Hunter keeps it in check, as it tends to do due to the strong basic set support. Priest will probably become opop to compensate for being in a bad spot now. Other classes will find alternative options. Zoo for example always finds a way somehow.
Will be difficult to top the LoE cards though in terms of impact on the meta.
Priest will be good, he is losing bad cards and we can expect a huge buff to class in future.
I think some cards should stay in standard.. but only tech,tribe and simple cards like Quick Shot, Blackwing Corruptor and Elise Starseeker
No one played resurrect because we had early game tools to control the game, Velens, Zombie Chow, Deathlord. Entomb is an absolutely ridiculous loss for priest, one of the few good match ups it had was vs control since it could take their stuff (Tirion, Ysera etc) going to need a LOT of help to fix
december this year already hitting an expansion?
When you put it like that, the change from 2016 (Kraken) Standard to 2017 (Chihuahua) Standard will be a bigger deal that the original inception of the Standard format.
Lots of our favourite Standard decks will be leaving.
However, the same game developers who created those cards for us will be hard at work creating something equally cool. Indeed, they have 2 more years experience than they had when they designed those cards so the Chihuahua metagame will probably be EVEN BETTER!
By all means, shed a tear for the friends which we'll lose (or see them over in Wild) but, personally, I'm equally excited to see what comes next and to test my deck design skills against a brand new meta.
Flamewaker, Imp gang boss, Tunnel trogg (and their class stuff) - burn in hell!
Someone miss Thaurissan aka Freezmage and Worgen war. Really?
Excavated evil? ...lol ...You CANT make nonexisting class weaker!
don't worry, think that before old gods, hunter wasn't even playable. it lost the mad scientist, instead it got call of the wild which is a card everyone complains about (because it's so strong). also, seeing that hunter has big problems early game, blizzard even created kindly grandmother. the same for mage, tempo mage wasn't good enough to be tier 1 but things changed with karazhan and its firelands portals and babbling books
It's important to keep in mind that Blizzard are more than aware of what's rotating out. Right now it's hard to imagine viable decks with so many key / popular cards rotating out but there will be 2 full expansions released before the next rotation which means totally new archetypes to explore.
Personally I am excited about 2017's rotation. I think it will be the biggest change in the game's history, even more significant than the introduction of formats. Blizzard were learning how to properly balance cards and the loss of TGT, BRM and LoE, while huge will see a standard with a much more balanced power level than we've seen this year.
The game has a really bright future ahead. It's probably going through it's most difficult patch ever ito balance but the next rotation will address that for sure. I can't wait...
Missing lethal since June 2015.
guess ill have some dust
4 mana 7/7 still gonna be 4 mana 7/7
How you gonna deal with it when the early game moves out? Shaman's only lost like tuskarr totemic and totem golem but they are just going to substitute it with other cards like claws and stuff. Unless they get nerfed, we will see it more and more. Prepare a card like Overloadeater 4 mana 2/4 Battlecry: Eat all your opponent's overloads. Gain +1/+1 for each mana crystal overloaded
Problem solved lol
Just remember the good times!
It is still to early to talk about what the scene will look like in 2017 but I can tell you for sure that there will still be a zoo warlock deck. Zoo has existed even before Curse of Naxxramas came out. There will always be a zoo warlock deck as long as there are efficient cheap minions. Same goes for freeze mage and control warrior. These three decks have been around forever, in one version or another, so I really can't imagine them leaving unless something changes drastically.
very true. but thats because most of their key cards are stuck in standard forevah