Rogue has sucked since Standard rolled out in, like, March. Losing Blade Flurry and Tinker's Sharpsword Oil killed the class's prospects outside of miracle. No (truly) good cards were added in WOG or Karazhan, so why is everyone so up in arms about MSG being the same?
And why does everyone care? Rogue has historically been one of the least played classes. Blizzard, knowing this, has adjusted the card pool to fit. There is no conspiracy, Team 5 doesn't "hate Rogues", and likely it wasn't meant to make Rogue suck. It's the natural ebb and flow that every expansion has. Let's wait until the 1st before we call foul and write angry petitions to Blizzard.
I'd imagine people are upset because of exactly what you're saying: Rogue has been pretty bad since Standard began, and many people were hoping MSG would help fix that problem. Seeing cards like the new Rager feel like a slap in the face. Then, you factor in the rallying cry to make Priests competitively viable, sparked by Purify, and now that crusade has transferred to Rogue.
It's easy to whine, it's hard to play another class or game (apparently). So we're all stuck with the "outrage" until Rogue gets a Tier 1 deck.
Miracle is basically the one way to go for now. Jade Rogue will be viable based on the stream but Shaman and Druid WILL be better at it. Tempo rogue at least gets me to rank 10.
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And I get that people are tired with Miracle, but Questing Adventurer/Leeroy/Malygos variants are all good decks. Burgle has its moments, Aggro is viable in certain metas, and Mill is hella fun. I'm holding off judgement on Stealth and Jade variants until the dust settles after launch, but I think that rogue will be okay.
And I get that people are tired with Miracle, but Questing Adventurer/Leeroy/Malygos variants are all good decks. Burgle has its moments, Aggro is viable in certain metas, and Mill is hella fun. I'm holding off judgement on Stealth and Jade variants until the dust settles after launch, but I think that rogue will be okay.
only better in gimmick deck. 20% win rate deck. or you pray RNG god carry you have 90% win rate, but most of time will be terrible deck.
Rogue has sucked since Standard rolled out in, like, March. Losing Blade Flurry and Tinker's Sharpsword Oil killed the class's prospects outside of miracle. No (truly) good cards were added in WOG or Karazhan, so why is everyone so up in arms about MSG being the same?
And why does everyone care? Rogue has historically been one of the least played classes. Blizzard, knowing this, has adjusted the card pool to fit. There is no conspiracy, Team 5 doesn't "hate Rogues", and likely it wasn't meant to make Rogue suck. It's the natural ebb and flow that every expansion has. Let's wait until the 1st before we call foul and write angry petitions to Blizzard.
The reason why everyone is going ballistic is, how you pointed out, Rogue has not gotten a truly good card for ages and Blizzard comes with the genius idea of printing a stealthed Magma Rager as a class card. That is basically just giving Rogue one less card to work with and frankly I don't know what they expected.
And I get that people are tired with Miracle, but Questing Adventurer/Leeroy/Malygos variants are all good decks. Burgle has its moments, Aggro is viable in certain metas, and Mill is hella fun. I'm holding off judgement on Stealth and Jade variants until the dust settles after launch, but I think that rogue will be okay.
Aggro Rogue is something I never really saw as viable, Hunter always seemed better to me. I already preordered the set so I might as well pray that either Stealth or Jade will be a thing, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Rogue has sucked since Standard rolled out in, like, March. Losing Blade Flurry and Tinker's Sharpsword Oil killed the class's prospects outside of miracle. No (truly) good cards were added in WOG or Karazhan, so why is everyone so up in arms about MSG being the same?
And why does everyone care? Rogue has historically been one of the least played classes. Blizzard, knowing this, has adjusted the card pool to fit. There is no conspiracy, Team 5 doesn't "hate Rogues", and likely it wasn't meant to make Rogue suck. It's the natural ebb and flow that every expansion has. Let's wait until the 1st before we call foul and write angry petitions to Blizzard.
The reason why everyone is going ballistic is, how you pointed out, Rogue has not gotten a truly good card for ages and Blizzard comes with the genius idea of printing a stealthed Magma Rager as a class card. That is basically just giving Rogue one less card to work with and frankly I don't know what they expected.
And I get that people are tired with Miracle, but Questing Adventurer/Leeroy/Malygos variants are all good decks. Burgle has its moments, Aggro is viable in certain metas, and Mill is hella fun. I'm holding off judgement on Stealth and Jade variants until the dust settles after launch, but I think that rogue will be okay.
Aggro Rogue is something I never really saw as viable, Hunter always seemed better to me. I already preordered the set so I might as well pray that either Stealth or Jade will be a thing, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
If you watched the Blizz stream Jade Rogue is very good. You are probably thinking Jade Rogue is too slow but the scariest part demonstrated by the stream is: it isn't. Not even board clears will save you due to the deathrattles. Except if you want to play Jade Golems Shaman and Druid are better in pretty much every way.
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Lots of people forget JUST HOW TERRIBLE shaman used to be. The Hearthstone team just seem to be a year or two behind with their "balanced" cards :) Rogue's day will come.
This isn't WoW. You lose nothing if your class gets passed over buffwise or shit on nerfwise. Time, effort, and money is very rarely on the line in these expansions in regards to a single class.
Years of work are undone if rogue got this same treatment in WoW, but in HS it's incredibly easy to just PLAY ANOTHER CLASS.
Seriously. Play another similar class like Priest or Druid until the wave of broken Rogue cards comes around next expansion. It'll be okay, the world won't be over in the Spring.
This isn't WoW. You lose nothing if your class gets passed over buffwise or shit on nerfwise. Time, effort, and money is very rarely on the line in these expansions in regards to a single class.
Years of work are undone if rogue got this same treatment in WoW, but in HS it's incredibly easy to just PLAY ANOTHER CLASS.
Seriously. Play another similar class like Priest or Druid until the wave of broken Rogue cards comes around next expansion. It'll be okay, the world won't be over in the Spring.
The most fun I have in Hearthstone is picking a deck that counters the meta. I remember the first time I hit legend I have been bouncing around Rank 2 all day, noticed on my deck tracker that nothing I was playing against countered Face Hunter, switched and went 11-2 in an hour. Been bouncing around Heavy Control Decks which counter MR Shaman now, and Malyrogue when I'm hitting a bunch of mirrors. Sure sometimes I want to play a certain deck and a certain class, but I enjoy winning more, and will always be looking for the opportunity to win more easily than get frustrated playing a deck I enjoy into hard counter after hard counter.
Don't worry, they are going to push Rager Rogue further in the next expansion with cards like:
Salt: 4-mana: Give a friendly Rager +5/+5. Perfect follow up for your Ragers on turn 3 (if they don't die). It's a slightly better Blessing of Kings and the only constaint is that you need to use it on a Rager.
You mad, bro?: 7-mana: Give your minions +2/+2. Costs (1) less for each Rager you control. Similar to Everyfin is Awesome, but with Rager synergy. Imagine a board filled with Ragers, then you can cast this for free and your opponent is going to rage quit.
From what i heard there will also be a Rager legendary as Rogue class legendary:
Raging Rager: 3-mana: 5/1 Rager, Deathrattle: Summon a 5/1 Magma Rager. Flavour text: We heard you like Ragers, so we put some Ragers in your Ragers, so that you can rage while you rage.
Rogue has sucked since Standard rolled out in, like, March. Losing Blade Flurry and Tinker's Sharpsword Oil killed the class's prospects outside of miracle. No (truly) good cards were added in WOG or Karazhan, so why is everyone so up in arms about MSG being the same?
And why does everyone care? Rogue has historically been one of the least played classes. Blizzard, knowing this, has adjusted the card pool to fit. There is no conspiracy, Team 5 doesn't "hate Rogues", and likely it wasn't meant to make Rogue suck. It's the natural ebb and flow that every expansion has. Let's wait until the 1st before we call foul and write angry petitions to Blizzard.
I'd imagine people are upset because of exactly what you're saying: Rogue has been pretty bad since Standard began, and many people were hoping MSG would help fix that problem. Seeing cards like the new Rager feel like a slap in the face. Then, you factor in the rallying cry to make Priests competitively viable, sparked by Purify, and now that crusade has transferred to Rogue.
It's easy to whine, it's hard to play another class or game (apparently). So we're all stuck with the "outrage" until Rogue gets a Tier 1 deck.
Miracle is basically the one way to go for now. Jade Rogue will be viable based on the stream but Shaman and Druid WILL be better at it. Tempo rogue at least gets me to rank 10.
“I’M A SHADOW, ONE THAT NO LIGHT WILL SHINE ON. AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW ME, YOU WILL NEVER SEE THE DAY.”
Both Reno and Aggro are cancer!
And I get that people are tired with Miracle, but Questing Adventurer/Leeroy/Malygos variants are all good decks. Burgle has its moments, Aggro is viable in certain metas, and Mill is hella fun. I'm holding off judgement on Stealth and Jade variants until the dust settles after launch, but I think that rogue will be okay.
A glorious bundle of salt.
Rogue will most likely be the next class to get buffed after Priest. So keep the hopes up for the Spring 2017 expansion / Summer 2018 adventure.
“I’M A SHADOW, ONE THAT NO LIGHT WILL SHINE ON. AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW ME, YOU WILL NEVER SEE THE DAY.”
Both Reno and Aggro are cancer!
Rogue is slowly taking priest over as the meme class
Lots of people forget JUST HOW TERRIBLE shaman used to be. The Hearthstone team just seem to be a year or two behind with their "balanced" cards :) Rogue's day will come.
Ibn Fahd.
This isn't WoW. You lose nothing if your class gets passed over buffwise or shit on nerfwise. Time, effort, and money is very rarely on the line in these expansions in regards to a single class.
Years of work are undone if rogue got this same treatment in WoW, but in HS it's incredibly easy to just PLAY ANOTHER CLASS.
Seriously. Play another similar class like Priest or Druid until the wave of broken Rogue cards comes around next expansion. It'll be okay, the world won't be over in the Spring.
I've actually been playing around with a Tempo list with the new cards, and it doesn't look half bad. Only time will tell, of course.
old problems, new shadow rager Kappa