Extremely important against N'Zoth decks (win condition if you have enough luck with Kazakus). As a N'Zoth player, I lost too many times due to Kazakus...
Been playing lots of aggro/midrange since the patch and kazakus has definitely been giving me grief when playing against priest.
Would not excluded the card from the deck. Especially since it is a singleton deck so most alternatives are probanly already included in the deck.
Edit: if you don't have the card then raza/shadow aunduin are more important. But it is a deliberately broken card to make up for the loss of consistency singleton decks have.
Guys I have the card and I realize it's good because it's flexible, in a vacuum. My question is very specifically asking if the small chance to get a board clear + 5/5 is worth running a negative tempo 4-drop.
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Yes, because it is more than boardclear and 5/5, there maybe situation, where you want to go for tempo, but i don´t recognise many great tempo options for priest on the 4 slot: maybe twillight drake or priest of the feast (because of the better body) but tempowise he is not that bad on 4...
Highlander is inconsistent...so especially you may need a boardclear on 5, so there you can play him on curve, if yo play against control and you need to go for tempo play sth else, and play him on 11 where you have the room and go for 1 potion or resurrect and 8/8 if you have greedy board.
So maybe to understand your Question better, what would you run instead?
Funny, I was thinking the same thing after chaining terrible potions that clog my hand. He definitely feels a lot more underwhelming than he did in MSG. But everyone in the thread is right, there isn't much you can put in your deck instead
I suppose you could get to rank 10 or so using a budget version with no Kazakus, but if you have him there's no reason not to use him. The 10 mana potions are nowhere near as good as Ultimate Infestation, but it's the versatility that's so important, weather you're against aggro, midrange or control, he can turn the game around.
Except those times where there's a board of enemy murlocs and he refuses to give you 2/4 damage to all minions... :<
I think that he is worth running in every normal highlander deck because even though you sometimes get unlucky picks the card itself still has the potential to win games on its own. Therefore I think that it pushes the deck's overall winrate more than most replacements.
Whats funny though is that I'm running a list by asmodai that doesn't contain kazakus. It's a deck running divine spirit/inner fire combo and most cards under 4 as duplicates and also hemet/benedictus.
so what you're saying is, kazakus is an auto-include that wins you games and has no replacement......but you're winning with a deck in which it's not run.
so it's not an auto-include.
there are many potential (more consistent) things you could run instead that would contest the board better. i'll update this later when i have time.
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Guys I have the card and I realize it's good because it's flexible, in a vacuum. My question is very specifically asking if the small chance to get a board clear + 5/5 is worth running a negative tempo 4-drop.
over 50% is not a small chance....It's literally more than half of the time.
And basically the entire Highlander Priest deck is a negative tempo deck. Your Loot Hoarders, Novice Engineers, Gnomish Inventors, etc. aren't gaining any tempo.
I think the only time it's justifiable not to run Kazakus in a Raza-Anduin deck is when you are running the Hemet version that plays copies of cards.
Guys I have the card and I realize it's good because it's flexible, in a vacuum. My question is very specifically asking if the small chance to get a board clear + 5/5 is worth running a negative tempo 4-drop.
over 50% is not a small chance....It's literally more than half of the time.
And basically the entire Highlander Priest deck is a negative tempo deck. Your Loot Hoarders, Novice Engineers, Gnomish Inventors, etc. aren't gaining any tempo.
I think the only time it's justifiable not to run Kazakus in a Raza-Anduin deck is when you are running the Hemet version that plays copies of cards.
You don't get the 5/5 + 4dmg aoe more than half the time. You get one specific option more than half the time; two specific options is IIRC ~22%.
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Guys I have the card and I realize it's good because it's flexible, in a vacuum. My question is very specifically asking if the small chance to get a board clear + 5/5 is worth running a negative tempo 4-drop.
over 50% is not a small chance....It's literally more than half of the time.
And basically the entire Highlander Priest deck is a negative tempo deck. Your Loot Hoarders, Novice Engineers, Gnomish Inventors, etc. aren't gaining any tempo.
I think the only time it's justifiable not to run Kazakus in a Raza-Anduin deck is when you are running the Hemet version that plays copies of cards.
You don't get the 5/5 + 4dmg aoe more than half the time. You get one specific option more than half the time; two specific options is IIRC ~22%.
You don't need to ONLY get the 5/5+4dmg AOE every time though. Often the 4dmg AOE is enough. Or the 5dmg is enough. Or building a board is enough.
Frankly, in highlander, the draw 2 is probably the best of all options.
Again, tempo is not your concern with a deck like Highlander Priest. It's surviving and assembling the combo. And I think that's where your disconnect with Kazakus starts.
I think that he is worth running in every normal highlander deck because even though you sometimes get unlucky picks the card itself still has the potential to win games on its own. Therefore I think that it pushes the deck's overall winrate more than most replacements.
Whats funny though is that I'm running a list by asmodai that doesn't contain kazakus. It's a deck running divine spirit/inner fire combo and most cards under 4 as duplicates and also hemet/benedictus.
there are many potential (more consistent) things you could run instead that would contest the board better. i'll update this later when i have time.
In a highlander deck, I am about 99% positive you should replace basically anything besides Anduin and Raza before you replace Kazakus.
It's very possible I was just in a bad run of matchups that are bad for Razakus and starting to doubt Kaz's viability. There were some Warlock and Rogue zoo decks running Prince Keleseth that were able to quickly assemble a wide board of 5+ health minions that I wasn't able to deal with.
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That seems more likely. Certain decks will occasionally out tempo the Highlander Priest. That's just sort of way it goes when you can only run 1-of answers.
idk bro, i play control paly.i heard when reno was in standard kazakus was somewhat good, since you had a burt healing to mantain you in the match, dont know now the hes not in standard, what im guessing if you have decent healing or a way to retain borad control i guess i can put it in your deck otherwise dont think so
The main advantage that he gives is it's a card draw, which should provide you card advantage. If that one cards trades for 2-3 of thiers, it is a huge win. Plus you've gained more card advantage since the card did not come from your deck.
He's not a must have, but he's very good.
But in most midrange/aggro games, I do not want card draw from Kazakus - and Kazakus doesn't trade for 2 to 3 of theirs, it's almost always a 1 to 1 trade that Kaz is not winning. The best result from Kaz is often clearing their board and summoning a 5/5.....second BEST results in just resetting the board but still at a tempo loss. In midrange/aggro matchups, how can that be justified?
Important enough to have been an auto include in every competitive high lander deck out there.
Even if you don't get the effects you were hoping for, you would still get sweet effects that can tip the game in your favor; Kazakus alone has won me many games, and that is just in standard. In Wild he is absolutely bonkers with brann.
Yes I get that it's been an auto include in lists thus far. That doesn't mean there is no room to discuss it as NOT being an auto include.
1 to 1? Then you are doing something wrong. At the very least it's 2 for 1. You are getting a character on the board and most likely killing or sheeping at least one of theirs. That's a worst case. I didn't mean card draw in that you want to choose the draw 2 cards option, but that the card you get from Kaz is a card that was not in your hand, so that's always a card draw. Regardless, if you are not killing at least one of theirs, and getting a character on board, then there is a problem.
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I've tried a variant of the machine gun priest that didn't run Kazakus - but I replaced many cards, went with a more aggressive mid-range apporach in the hope of winning more games trhough sheer board pressure if I didn't draw into raza/anduin. It worked up to rank 5 anyway, so it can be ok, but as I said, you're looking at changing more than just kazakus if you decide not to run him and want success.
It's like asking "how important is patches to pirate warrior really?"
The deck is playable without it, but it's much better when the card is included
Because to become a better deck builder and better player overall, you have to get over the assumption that a card is an auto-include and cannot be questioned. Remember for a brief period a few expansions back when Priest stopped running Northshire Cleric and everyone lost their mind, even though it was actually a good choice for the meta?
Let me be perfectly clear: I am not saying that Kazakus is a bad card, or even that the deck is weaker if you include it. I am merely asking for a discussion, and asking "why is it good/better than other options?" The same absolutely could be asked of Patches, and if you response to "why patches?" is "lol what how can you even possibly question it" then until you change, you won't improve as a player or deck builder.
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Extremely important against N'Zoth decks (win condition if you have enough luck with Kazakus). As a N'Zoth player, I lost too many times due to Kazakus...
Been playing lots of aggro/midrange since the patch and kazakus has definitely been giving me grief when playing against priest.
Would not excluded the card from the deck. Especially since it is a singleton deck so most alternatives are probanly already included in the deck.
Edit: if you don't have the card then raza/shadow aunduin are more important. But it is a deliberately broken card to make up for the loss of consistency singleton decks have.
Guys I have the card and I realize it's good because it's flexible, in a vacuum. My question is very specifically asking if the small chance to get a board clear + 5/5 is worth running a negative tempo 4-drop.
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Yes, because it is more than boardclear and 5/5, there maybe situation, where you want to go for tempo, but i don´t recognise many great tempo options for priest on the 4 slot: maybe twillight drake or priest of the feast (because of the better body) but tempowise he is not that bad on 4...
Highlander is inconsistent...so especially you may need a boardclear on 5, so there you can play him on curve, if yo play against control and you need to go for tempo play sth else, and play him on 11 where you have the room and go for 1 potion or resurrect and 8/8 if you have greedy board.
So maybe to understand your Question better, what would you run instead?
Funny, I was thinking the same thing after chaining terrible potions that clog my hand. He definitely feels a lot more underwhelming than he did in MSG. But everyone in the thread is right, there isn't much you can put in your deck instead
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He is clearly the third best card in the deck in standard and possibly in wild as well.
I suppose you could get to rank 10 or so using a budget version with no Kazakus, but if you have him there's no reason not to use him. The 10 mana potions are nowhere near as good as Ultimate Infestation, but it's the versatility that's so important, weather you're against aggro, midrange or control, he can turn the game around.
Except those times where there's a board of enemy murlocs and he refuses to give you 2/4 damage to all minions... :<
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And basically the entire Highlander Priest deck is a negative tempo deck. Your Loot Hoarders, Novice Engineers, Gnomish Inventors, etc. aren't gaining any tempo.
I think the only time it's justifiable not to run Kazakus in a Raza-Anduin deck is when you are running the Hemet version that plays copies of cards.
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It's very possible I was just in a bad run of matchups that are bad for Razakus and starting to doubt Kaz's viability. There were some Warlock and Rogue zoo decks running Prince Keleseth that were able to quickly assemble a wide board of 5+ health minions that I wasn't able to deal with.
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That seems more likely. Certain decks will occasionally out tempo the Highlander Priest. That's just sort of way it goes when you can only run 1-of answers.
idk bro, i play control paly.i heard when reno was in standard kazakus was somewhat good, since you had a burt healing to mantain you in the match, dont know now the hes not in standard, what im guessing if you have decent healing or a way to retain borad control i guess i can put it in your deck otherwise dont think so
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How is this even a discussion lol?
It's like asking "how important is patches to pirate warrior really?"
The deck is playable without it, but it's much better when the card is included
I've tried a variant of the machine gun priest that didn't run Kazakus - but I replaced many cards, went with a more aggressive mid-range apporach in the hope of winning more games trhough sheer board pressure if I didn't draw into raza/anduin. It worked up to rank 5 anyway, so it can be ok, but as I said, you're looking at changing more than just kazakus if you decide not to run him and want success.
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