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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    Grumble doesn't bounce itself back in hand, so the played shudderwock won't bounce itself back and this is why you NEED saronite chain gang. The saronite is a key piece in the combo, not a greedy addition

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    Man, I just reviewed all the battlecry minions that will be in standard, and absolutely wanted to test that ^^.

    Another is Deathwing which can be really funny, if you manage to get its battlecry before saronite + grumble and get another 1 mana deathwing for infinity ^^.

    And for the Ultimate Lulz, i'd put a King Togwaggle in it, for a deck swapping madness while asking for tons of ransom from your opponent('s hand mostly ^^)

     

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    You misunderstand how Shudderwock works. Saronite Chain Gang's battlecry creates copies of shudderwock itself not saronites. And "killing your lifedrinker" and such. You don't have any minions on the board. You play shudderwock, it creates copies of itself, it inflicts face dmg and heals your hero, then bounce the copies back in hand. Primodrial drake's battlecry can't kill the copies (they have 6 health). However, it is really effective to take care of your opponent's board on each shudderwock play.

    Another thing, by my understanding of your last sentence, you mean that each shudderwock battlecry will stack for the next one. This isn't true, Shudderwock recast all other battlecries, EXCEPT shudderwock's battlecry itself. So you won't be dealing dozen times primordial drake's dmg, only 2 at maximum, which is 4 and can't kill Shudderwock. (it can though with the double battlecry with murmuring elemental and this is also discussed in the guide)

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    Oh shit man you are so right !! I'll change right away the 1 fire plume left for a second murmuring elemental since I already wanted to add a second (it gives you additional draw with our 4 battlercry card draw minions for only 2 mana more) and was thinking of what to cut for it.

    Edit : Actually, this means you need to have a turn somewhere in the game where you're gonna pay 8 mana for only a 7/7 on the board, and that you can't drop your Grumble, Worldshaker when it is a good opportunity if you can't combo it with Murmuring Elemental. Not only that, but a Grumble, Worldshaker turn generally needs you to play some bounced minions on the same turn to let you stabilize the board a bit since himself doesnt do anything on it for more than half your mana, and with 2 mana availabe instead of 4, it's even harder. This strategy has its weaknesses too, I'm not sure anymore.

    Twilight Drake is a cool idea indeed, but the main issue regarding the primo drake is the Murmuring Elemental killed rather than Shudderwock most of the time. And I don't know what to swap it with right now.

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    posted a message on [WW] Shudderwock OTK

    Just passing by to explain to you, that the adding of Murmuring Elemental and fire plume harbinger on my list you linked are there mostly because it guarantees you a shudderwock back in hand, the double damage is only a plus. Without it, like yours, you have 0 safe bet that your Shudderwock will consistently be back in hand. You can't simply rely on Zola the Gorgon or Baleful Banker, a good opponent will never let it live one turn, it's more than obvious.

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life
    • Of course Doomsayer is better than Brrrloc. If i were to create a simple control deck, I owuld have picked this card over them. But here we are building a combo deck. Brrrloc are here to provide their battlecry to Shudderwock.
    • You're pretty right about a second Murmuring Elemental, i initially had 2 but cut 1 to draw combo pieces sonner (less elementals for Sandbinder). But i somehow didn't realize it could aslo simply be a copy of Sandbinder or Witchwood Piper. I may be adding it back.
    • Tidal Surge is not very good and Zap! is overkill if you don't have Bogshaper to turn it into a card draw, since it will simply take a spot in your deck instead of a better card
    • I explained the reason I didnt put weapon removal in this theorycraft deck (well this is the reason basically) in my "Discussion" section.

    Hey, I love some feedback on my decks, it will always cheer me up. But 3 out of 4 parts of what you said were discussed in the presentation, so please fully read the guide I thoroughly made to explain my deck, if you want to discuss card choices... 

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    It doesnt repeat its own battlecry. We can be sure of it because it had been played multiple times on the reveal stream, and it is also consistent with the card's text which clearly says "other battlecries". I agree the meaning of "other" depends on how you understand the sentence, and is becoming an english grammar matter ^^, but i believe it was meant to specifically indicate this.

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    The thing is Glacial Shard is diluting your elemental pool for Sandbinder.

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    And this is why you play the deck with the murmuring elemental to always get at least 1 Shudderwock in your hand.

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    posted a message on Shudderwock OTK Infinite Drain Life

    Yes, you can watch it on the reveal stream made 10 hours ago. Search it on yt if you want, i found it very easily (search for "today" in results)

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