embiggen turn 1 > draw Injured Tolvir or Fairy rewards you a 4/5 or 5/4 right out the gate. Unless you have exactly Execute for the first (which is also a waste of an execute) get ready to have a bad time. No counter to the second. This is even more abusive than Prince Keleseth was.
Oh but it costs the opponent two cards, you will defend. Not so. If it were a 0 mana spell that gives +2/+2 you would be correct. But behind that Tolvir theres a whole shit storm coming. That play that takes zero skill to pull off throws your chance to win the game.
Do they even test any more? I get the idea their group of testers are a bunch of undergrads that really don't have time to play the game because every expansion brings out some broken ridiculous crap that made it past "the testers".
Why can they not just do beta for every new expansion OR what the game really needs do regular balance patches to address this horseshit highroll nobrain bizzarro crap that the only reason you wouldnt be complaining about it is because you are abusing it.
And players like me that play decks THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO have to suffer because after how many years Team 5 still hasn't learned how to balance and are too proud and lazy to patch.
Now look naive and tell me I'm wrong, Hearthpwn...
So on their turn 1 they need to have Embiggen. They MUST be going 2nd. And they need to exactly top deck tolvir on their second turn to pull this off?
Sorry but there are countless openings that are insane, and most every class can pull one off if the draw is perfect enough. Hell, druids back in beta could play a 5 drop on turn 1 with the perfect draw. Zoo with double flame imo opener and no answer from their opponent is also ridiculous.
Im sorry but the situation you mentioned is just too inconsistent to be considered overpowered. It's a card game, really good draws happen, as do really bad. And Embiggen is definitely not the best deck in the game. It has drawbacks, mainly Embiggen losing huge effectiveness every turn that passes. And it is an absolute do nothing draw late game.
Dead draw late game? Didnt seem to stop people from playing Kelly. Theres two of these and the deck is constantly used. Please use your brain when you reply to people's threads.
The power level of the deck is not a problem, have a fair number of conditions.
My problem is how often the class appears in the ladder, like, I play 20 times vs druid for each time I play vs mage or shaman and THIS is not right.
I don't ask for a perfect balanced meta where all 9 classes have the same ammount of play but if the proportion for the most played classes and the less played classes are 20 for 1 then something need to be done.
Dead draw late game? Didnt seem to stop people from playing Kelly. Theres two of these and the deck is constantly used. Please use your brain when you reply to people's threads.
Ohhhh you're the guy from yesterday that posted about how not enough people complain. This makes perfect sense now. Don't worry I'll move along, arguing with people like you leads to nowhere.
I'm not saying that all of these are particularly good options, mind. But they all cost 2 mana or less, and they all counter (or at least stall) a 5/4 Elusive, and they're all in Standard.
When everyone is playing a deck at the frequency you mention, hillander it IS because there's a problem in its power level. It's join em or lose to em. So ppl pick up the deck whether they like it or not.
You said "no counters," and I gave you 19 of them. Sure, a lot of them are gimmicky/unlikely, but Heroic Strike isn't the worst card to tech in (since it will still provide value in most scenarios), and Ritual Chopper is in Galakrond Warrior anyway. I've seen Air Raid in decks, too. I agree that lots of them are terrible counters, but they are, most assuredly, counters.
I don't get why there isn't a post from you that doesn't insult Blizzard and the people who play Hearthstone yet you want to discuss a relevant topic. I think a better strategy is to lay out good points and keep the insults to yourself. You will get a far better response.
You are right. It's a right strong play. However, it won't happen that often as it requires two things: 1) Draw Embiggen in your opening hand. 2) Top deck Faerie dragon or Injured Tolvir on t2.
It's highroll and not the reason why Druid is so strong at the moment. E.g. embiggen into ramp + card draw is way stronger as it accelerates your endgame.
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embiggen turn 1 > draw Injured Tolvir or Fairy rewards you a 4/5 or 5/4 right out the gate. Unless you have exactly Execute for the first (which is also a waste of an execute) get ready to have a bad time. No counter to the second. This is even more abusive than Prince Keleseth was.
Oh but it costs the opponent two cards, you will defend. Not so. If it were a 0 mana spell that gives +2/+2 you would be correct. But behind that Tolvir theres a whole shit storm coming. That play that takes zero skill to pull off throws your chance to win the game.
Do they even test any more? I get the idea their group of testers are a bunch of undergrads that really don't have time to play the game because every expansion brings out some broken ridiculous crap that made it past "the testers".
Why can they not just do beta for every new expansion OR what the game really needs do regular balance patches to address this horseshit highroll nobrain bizzarro crap that the only reason you wouldnt be complaining about it is because you are abusing it.
And players like me that play decks THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO have to suffer because after how many years Team 5 still hasn't learned how to balance and are too proud and lazy to patch.
Now look naive and tell me I'm wrong, Hearthpwn...
Because you know that I am not.
So on their turn 1 they need to have Embiggen. They MUST be going 2nd. And they need to exactly top deck tolvir on their second turn to pull this off?
Sorry but there are countless openings that are insane, and most every class can pull one off if the draw is perfect enough. Hell, druids back in beta could play a 5 drop on turn 1 with the perfect draw. Zoo with double flame imo opener and no answer from their opponent is also ridiculous.
Im sorry but the situation you mentioned is just too inconsistent to be considered overpowered. It's a card game, really good draws happen, as do really bad. And Embiggen is definitely not the best deck in the game. It has drawbacks, mainly Embiggen losing huge effectiveness every turn that passes. And it is an absolute do nothing draw late game.
Obviously did not read post. Next.
Dead draw late game? Didnt seem to stop people from playing Kelly. Theres two of these and the deck is constantly used. Please use your brain when you reply to people's threads.
The power level of the deck is not a problem, have a fair number of conditions.
My problem is how often the class appears in the ladder, like, I play 20 times vs druid for each time I play vs mage or shaman and THIS is not right.
I don't ask for a perfect balanced meta where all 9 classes have the same ammount of play but if the proportion for the most played classes and the less played classes are 20 for 1 then something need to be done.
Every class in the game can play 2 Ancient Watchers and 2 Dalaran Librarians for a more reliable 2 mana 4/5 out on turn 2.
In Mage you can also get a 3/2, 2/2 and 8/8 out all on turn 2... if you draw perfectly.
You are clearly butthurt because one of your opponents got lucky in one game.
Ohhhh you're the guy from yesterday that posted about how not enough people complain. This makes perfect sense now. Don't worry I'll move along, arguing with people like you leads to nowhere.
"No counter to the second."
Freezing Trap would like to have a word. As would any two of Pounce and Claw. Or Misdirection (if they play another minion). Or Mirror Image/Air Raid (which, granted, aren't hard counters, but do give you some space). Auchenai Phantasm + Circle of Healing will get the job done too. Plague of Madness will cost you some health, but takes care of that pesky dragon. Patient Assassin, same deal. 2x Forked Lightning would cost a bunch of Overload, but it's still a toasted mob. Voltaic Burst + Storm's Wrath (or just 2 Bursts) costs you 2 mana and 2 Overload, which is better. Any 0 or 1-cost minion plus Plague of Flames roasts him too. Felstalker would let you trade. Eternium Rover (or any other 1-cost 1/3 or 0/3) + Charge + 2x Inner Rage even nets you 6 Armor at the end of the deal. Heroic Strike or Ritual Chopper lets you clobber it. 2x Depth Charge is a neutral option. Toxfin + another cheap Murloc is an unreliable neutral option. Doomsayer probably buys you an extra turn, at worst. Millhouse Manastorm is a risky trade possibility.
I'm not saying that all of these are particularly good options, mind. But they all cost 2 mana or less, and they all counter (or at least stall) a 5/4 Elusive, and they're all in Standard.
When everyone is playing a deck at the frequency you mention, hillander it IS because there's a problem in its power level. It's join em or lose to em. So ppl pick up the deck whether they like it or not.
Nihilisism you did not read the text. Your ancient watcher example doesnt also boost the deck .
Kedalin aside from freezing trap those are all terrible counters. Its a waste of a freezing trap.
You said "no counters," and I gave you 19 of them. Sure, a lot of them are gimmicky/unlikely, but Heroic Strike isn't the worst card to tech in (since it will still provide value in most scenarios), and Ritual Chopper is in Galakrond Warrior anyway. I've seen Air Raid in decks, too. I agree that lots of them are terrible counters, but they are, most assuredly, counters.
Just play token druid and hit them faster than they can survive full face fk em
I don't get why there isn't a post from you that doesn't insult Blizzard and the people who play Hearthstone yet you want to discuss a relevant topic. I think a better strategy is to lay out good points and keep the insults to yourself. You will get a far better response.
Um yea. It's not 2017 anymore. No one uses Heroic Strike. The Ritual Chopper I admit is a good counter for the 5/4 fairy, but not the Tolvir.
Since you could only give me 1.5 class specific counters anyone actually runs you have helped prove my point, and I thank you for that.
Embiggen is a high roll card which means it won't work 70% of the time. So get over it.
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HSreplay has Embiggen Druid at a 57.6% winrate.
Won't work 70% the time?? May I have a bit of what you are smoking sir
Dude, you are talking about f#(*1ng druid at first and he had god hand at second.
Why you even bother to write?
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Edwin can get much bigger than that, already from turn 1!
Play enbiggen yourself a bit and figure how helpless it can feel when you fail to draw your ramp and buffs. It happens a lot more than you think!
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You are right. It's a right strong play. However, it won't happen that often as it requires two things:
1) Draw Embiggen in your opening hand.
2) Top deck Faerie dragon or Injured Tolvir on t2.
It's highroll and not the reason why Druid is so strong at the moment. E.g. embiggen into ramp + card draw is way stronger as it accelerates your endgame.