Ok, so yeah, I have a full time job, have 2 kids, a wife, and many other thing going on in my real life. Is my success the whole reason why I can't accomplish anything in online gaming? I used to be real good, but it seems that I am getting worst every day. I don't know if it's cause I have more "real life responsibilities", or if I'm just not keeping up on times. I have taken a liking to "Hearthstone" cause it is a game I can participate in without having to dedicate my livelihood to. I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
I was playing every spare minute I had for a while, and getting nowhere. Lately been playing a bit less, and actually winning more. Within 2hrs tonight I jumped more ranks than I did for the past 2 weeks! It's not how long you spend playing, but the mind set you're in at the time. Don't chase losses, learn when to quit, best advice I could give
To be fair, the competition in Hearthstone is very stiff. I was lucky enough to start playing during closed beta when everyone was still learning the ropes and not everyone has a big card collection. If you started not long ago then it must be pretty tough because you start with nothing (no cards, no experience) when most people have already got significantly more experience and cards. I have a busy life too so my goal everyday is just to gain 1 or 2 stars, which will get me to between rank 10 to 5. I will also play at least 2 games in arena and luckily for me, I'm pretty good at arena so that helps me get the cards I need.
Also, don't feel bad just because you're not very good at hearthstone. Your success in real life is important and I'm sure that if you had the luxury of spending more time in hearthstone, you will be a very good player. Don't compare yourself to players whose job is to play hearthstone because they spend a huge chunk of their time on the game so of course they're good at it.
Ok, so yeah, I have a full time job, have 2 kids, a wife, and many other thing going on in my real life. Is my success the whole reason why I can't accomplish anything in online gaming? I used to be real good, but it seems that I am getting worst every day. I don't know if it's cause I have more "real life responsibilities", or if I'm just not keeping up on times. I have taken a liking to "Hearthstone" cause it is a game I can participate in without having to dedicate my livelihood to. I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
I also play a limited amount, which generally means that I cannot keep up to date on the current meta or how to respond. As a result, I typically steer clear of Ranked play (where the meta is most important).
As long as you set modest goals, the Arena can be a pretty good place to mess around, and your limited card pool doesn't really matter there. Everyone is coming from the same place (though some get better drafts and others are better at picking cards from mixed drafts).
So yes, there are definitely ways and places to win.
That said, I do wish there were some more casual play options. Right now everyone gets dumped into one of three big pools. Casual has a matchmaking algorithm, for sure - but there's no real chance to migrate by choice to an environment with more players at your level of skill/dedication.
I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
Question: How are you supposed to compete on a normal level with someone who dedicates his life to anything where time and practice makes you better?
Answer: You are not, hence people dedicating their life to it.
The concept of card gathering isn't what is supreme, you can easily dump $640 into card packs and have everything, however if you do 1280 dailies or 15630 playmode wins, you end up with the same but have come across so many different things, played so many RNG games and have (hopefully) learned to expect certain plays at certain mana points or field states that you can read your opponent.
If that wouldn't be enough, you can't compete with those people, other than running into them in unranked, because they play at a high rank - versus others at their level and that is your advantage. You don't have to compete with someone who has seen everything and reads you like an open book, you play those that are as good or bad as you are. If that is less than what you want to accomplish, then you either get better skillwise or invest more time.
Look at it this way: you have a stable job, which for sure earns you more per hour than what you would be able to grind in HS per hour. To grind 30 wins a day you'll need 5 hours or more, that gives you 100g, and 100g is one pack which is worth $1.250 / €1.125 . Basically, the question becomes: are you earning more than $1.25 per 5-6 hours? If your answer is yes, then it is more time efficient just to buy some packs as I presume that you don't have big enough card collection.
Also, that's how CCGs work - you will need cards and those cards cost time or money. In MtG, for one competitive deck of 60 cards for standard format you'll be looking at shelling out $500+ ! You can't get cards for free there, so at least in HS if you just play casually you will get decent collection sooner or later.
As for actual practice, do you seriously think that playing 10 minutes a day will make you a pro? Or that in any field 10 minutes a day is enough to master that field? Want to get better at playing? Play more, read more game theory, watch pro streamers and how they play and what decisions they make and WHY they make them. No one can master anything with just a couple of minutes daily. When Kripp started playing HS, he sucked so much as he didn't even know basic CCG concepts, but is now regarded as one of the top players. All it takes is a bit of effort on your part and I wish you good luck if you decide to go that way. It certainly doesn't need to become your 2nd job or to devote your whole life to it - if you can play 2h per day, each day (which is not unreasonable for something you like, but I can understand time constraints) you will soon see that you are becoming much better player. Good luck and have fun. :)
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You don't need to get all the cards the day you start playing. Enjoy the game. Do your daily's. Savor it. Sure it'll take a while, but the entire experience can be free, there's absolutely no need to get everything in one go. Buying isn't time efficiënt at all, nor financially efficiënt. You have plenty of time to get all the cards. Why would you want to get them all now and then have absolutely nothing to do with your dust and gold afterwards?
Just seems weird to me is all.
edit: time efficiency to me is spending the total of allocated time you have towards the goal, in this case collecting all the cards. It's not efficient to get everything the first day, and then nothing at all for the 5 months afterwards. It's time efficient to spend the 5 months collecting a few cards per day, maybe even per week, and then at the 5 month marker having all the cards... however, you've got even longer than 5 months so :D
It's just this need that people seem to have these days to get everything they want instantly, it's just going to have you be done with the game that much sooner.
Ok, so yeah, I have a full time job, have 2 kids, a wife, and many other thing going on in my real life. Is my success the whole reason why I can't accomplish anything in online gaming? I used to be real good, but it seems that I am getting worst every day. I don't know if it's cause I have more "real life responsibilities", or if I'm just not keeping up on times. I have taken a liking to "Hearthstone" cause it is a game I can participate in without having to dedicate my livelihood to. I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
As per your question, Simple, you can't. It's like trying to beat an athlete in the 100 meter sprint. He trained for it all his life, all his waking moments. You simply can't beat all that practice and experience.
Sure you can build a good deck but that's not really what hearthstone is about. Hearthstone is about the meta, and knowing what works against the meta, learning to identify the meta you're in and adjusting. There's a lot of experience required to really understand how this works. And that's just for laddering, after laddering there's tournaments and that's just an entire different ballgame. There you do not fight the meta anymore but individual opponents that tweak there decks to defeat YOU personally, which you have to counter tweak and... wooooo :D
Personally I'm not too bothered anymore with getting to the highest rank, I wanted to be a legendary starcraft 2 player years ago, but it had nothing to do with my passion for the game, I like starcraft but not that much. I just wanted to be one of the best. I can't imagine myself growing old as a starcraft 2 pro, I personally don't think that would make me very happy. I have other dreams though and I'm doing my best to follow them, to unwind I love playing a videogame or two, but knowing I'm not doing it to become the best anymore shifts the focus from competetive long term play to being competetive in the moment verus my current opponent, and just enjoy that. I think that's where true satisfaction in gaming lies.
edit: so yeh, just try to become competetive at the level that you're at and don't worry about the immediate future. When your experience and card collection grows so will your level of competiveness, just try to enjoy the experience. That's all I can say from my perspective and I hope it helps you in some way.
Ok, so yeah, I have a full time job, have 2 kids, a wife, and many other thing going on in my real life. Is my success the whole reason why I can't accomplish anything in online gaming? I used to be real good, but it seems that I am getting worst every day. I don't know if it's cause I have more "real life responsibilities", or if I'm just not keeping up on times. I have taken a liking to "Hearthstone" cause it is a game I can participate in without having to dedicate my livelihood to. I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
Yes you can. Hearthstone is not like most other MOBA or FPS games where the skill cap is very high. You need to play for thousand of hours to drill your skill to perfection in other to complete with the elites. HS, however, is a thinking game where you just need to have a clear mind and a good understanding of the current meta to succeed. A HS beginner who has some experiences with similar trading card/turn based games (chess) can quickly surpass even the most experienced HS player without playing a lot.
Ok, so yeah, I have a full time job, have 2 kids, a wife, and many other thing going on in my real life. Is my success the whole reason why I can't accomplish anything in online gaming? I used to be real good, but it seems that I am getting worst every day. I don't know if it's cause I have more "real life responsibilities", or if I'm just not keeping up on times. I have taken a liking to "Hearthstone" cause it is a game I can participate in without having to dedicate my livelihood to. I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
Yes you can. Hearthstone is not like most other MOBA or FPS games where the skill cap is very high. You need to play for thousand of hours to drill your skill to perfection in other to complete with the elites. HS, however, is a thinking game where you just need to have a clear mind and a good understanding of the current meta to succeed. A HS beginner who has some experiences with similar trading card/turn based games (chess) can quickly surpass even the most experienced HS player without playing a lot.
Bit of a conundrum isn't it. Let's say he doesn't have any experience with other trading games and or chess,.. should he then go spend time aquiring the needed experience to become a better hearthstone player via chess or magic? Time he points out he doesn't really have because of his real life responsibility's... :p.
Sure thinking game, but you're making a few assumptions that... seem very unrealistic to me. In order to become better at thinking games, much like sports, you will need to practice and put in the hours... 191 IQ isn't going to make you any better at chess if you've never played it before and have no experience with the rules. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he cannot become a hearthstone God, he most certainly can, I'm merely saying he cannot become a hearthstone God without putting in the hours required may it be via past experiences through chess or other card games or by simply playing hearthstone.
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First of all, if you're so busy irl, why would you play online games? Live real life, play singleplayer games in your free time. Almost all modern online games require nolife mode to achieve something. Hearthstone isn't even the worst game compared to them. I see no way how you can get worse and worse in Hearthstone everyday if you know the cards, the playstyle. It's not hard to become good at this game, and once you do it, you will enjoy this game much more.
Re-reading the OP, it does seem a little smug, the "success" line. As if it was out of the ordinary to have a wife, kids and a job! :D
I have all that too! As many others do too. That's normal life. Games are what we use to relax and escape for a bit. I doubt anyone has more than a couple of hours per day to spare playing. If it's not fun and stressing you out, get help/uninstall.
I watched an interesting vid by Jotto some time ago on how to reach legend (just before I did myself). Basically he says that the road to legendary is one of 55% wins overall and that's a winratio to be proud of (you won't win 70-80% of your games as some deck claim). Secondly my personal advise would be to find out what your play style is (aggro, control, rush) and craft your cards accordingly. The deck that took me to legendary (backspace, coldlight) only had Leeroy and Mukkla in there. The month before I got to rank 2 with shockadin with only Leeroy. Before that I played zoo to rank 3 without legendaries. I like aggro/rush and my crafted cards were accordingly.
You don't need to spend real money to get far in this game (I didn't). Just diligently do your dailies and some extra wins for gold (30 mins a day if you play aggro) and you'll get there. Also, reading articles on here and watching the odd twitch stream or two helps. I used to read the meta reports that DKMR (I think?) write up but cba anymore after reaching legendary once.
Ok, so yeah, I have a full time job, have 2 kids, a wife, and many other thing going on in my real life. Is my success the whole reason why I can't accomplish anything in online gaming? I used to be real good, but it seems that I am getting worst every day. I don't know if it's cause I have more "real life responsibilities", or if I'm just not keeping up on times. I have taken a liking to "Hearthstone" cause it is a game I can participate in without having to dedicate my livelihood to. I just can't grasp this whole concept of card gathering to be supreme. How am I, or anyone, supposed to compete on a normal level with people who dedicate their entire life to this?
It's quite possible to win, and only play a few hours a day. Learn the basic game theory, acquire good cards, build a strong deck, and enjoy. :)
Wait you don't like the win one lose one win one lose one randomness of casually playing ranked?
I was playing every spare minute I had for a while, and getting nowhere. Lately been playing a bit less, and actually winning more. Within 2hrs tonight I jumped more ranks than I did for the past 2 weeks! It's not how long you spend playing, but the mind set you're in at the time. Don't chase losses, learn when to quit, best advice I could give
To be fair, the competition in Hearthstone is very stiff. I was lucky enough to start playing during closed beta when everyone was still learning the ropes and not everyone has a big card collection. If you started not long ago then it must be pretty tough because you start with nothing (no cards, no experience) when most people have already got significantly more experience and cards. I have a busy life too so my goal everyday is just to gain 1 or 2 stars, which will get me to between rank 10 to 5. I will also play at least 2 games in arena and luckily for me, I'm pretty good at arena so that helps me get the cards I need.
Also, don't feel bad just because you're not very good at hearthstone. Your success in real life is important and I'm sure that if you had the luxury of spending more time in hearthstone, you will be a very good player. Don't compare yourself to players whose job is to play hearthstone because they spend a huge chunk of their time on the game so of course they're good at it.
I also play a limited amount, which generally means that I cannot keep up to date on the current meta or how to respond. As a result, I typically steer clear of Ranked play (where the meta is most important).
As long as you set modest goals, the Arena can be a pretty good place to mess around, and your limited card pool doesn't really matter there. Everyone is coming from the same place (though some get better drafts and others are better at picking cards from mixed drafts).
So yes, there are definitely ways and places to win.
That said, I do wish there were some more casual play options. Right now everyone gets dumped into one of three big pools. Casual has a matchmaking algorithm, for sure - but there's no real chance to migrate by choice to an environment with more players at your level of skill/dedication.
Question: How are you supposed to compete on a normal level with someone who dedicates his life to anything where time and practice makes you better?
Answer: You are not, hence people dedicating their life to it.
The concept of card gathering isn't what is supreme, you can easily dump $640 into card packs and have everything, however if you do 1280 dailies or 15630 playmode wins, you end up with the same but have come across so many different things, played so many RNG games and have (hopefully) learned to expect certain plays at certain mana points or field states that you can read your opponent.
If that wouldn't be enough, you can't compete with those people, other than running into them in unranked, because they play at a high rank - versus others at their level and that is your advantage. You don't have to compete with someone who has seen everything and reads you like an open book, you play those that are as good or bad as you are. If that is less than what you want to accomplish, then you either get better skillwise or invest more time.
Look at it this way: you have a stable job, which for sure earns you more per hour than what you would be able to grind in HS per hour. To grind 30 wins a day you'll need 5 hours or more, that gives you 100g, and 100g is one pack which is worth $1.250 / €1.125 . Basically, the question becomes: are you earning more than $1.25 per 5-6 hours? If your answer is yes, then it is more time efficient just to buy some packs as I presume that you don't have big enough card collection.
Also, that's how CCGs work - you will need cards and those cards cost time or money. In MtG, for one competitive deck of 60 cards for standard format you'll be looking at shelling out $500+ ! You can't get cards for free there, so at least in HS if you just play casually you will get decent collection sooner or later.
As for actual practice, do you seriously think that playing 10 minutes a day will make you a pro? Or that in any field 10 minutes a day is enough to master that field? Want to get better at playing? Play more, read more game theory, watch pro streamers and how they play and what decisions they make and WHY they make them. No one can master anything with just a couple of minutes daily. When Kripp started playing HS, he sucked so much as he didn't even know basic CCG concepts, but is now regarded as one of the top players. All it takes is a bit of effort on your part and I wish you good luck if you decide to go that way. It certainly doesn't need to become your 2nd job or to devote your whole life to it - if you can play 2h per day, each day (which is not unreasonable for something you like, but I can understand time constraints) you will soon see that you are becoming much better player. Good luck and have fun. :)
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Look at it this way
You don't need to get all the cards the day you start playing.
Enjoy the game. Do your daily's. Savor it. Sure it'll take a while, but the entire experience can be free, there's absolutely no need to get everything in one go. Buying isn't time efficiënt at all, nor financially efficiënt. You have plenty of time to get all the cards. Why would you want to get them all now and then have absolutely nothing to do with your dust and gold afterwards?
Just seems weird to me is all.
edit: time efficiency to me is spending the total of allocated time you have towards the goal, in this case collecting all the cards. It's not efficient to get everything the first day, and then nothing at all for the 5 months afterwards. It's time efficient to spend the 5 months collecting a few cards per day, maybe even per week, and then at the 5 month marker having all the cards... however, you've got even longer than 5 months so :D
It's just this need that people seem to have these days to get everything they want instantly, it's just going to have you be done with the game that much sooner.
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dX1-sQD3UVNvk5_AfjtIMzaydii4TXDfnlKVvB_Px20/edit#gid=191287612
As per your question,
Simple, you can't. It's like trying to beat an athlete in the 100 meter sprint. He trained for it all his life, all his waking moments. You simply can't beat all that practice and experience.
Sure you can build a good deck but that's not really what hearthstone is about. Hearthstone is about the meta, and knowing what works against the meta, learning to identify the meta you're in and adjusting. There's a lot of experience required to really understand how this works. And that's just for laddering, after laddering there's tournaments and that's just an entire different ballgame. There you do not fight the meta anymore but individual opponents that tweak there decks to defeat YOU personally, which you have to counter tweak and... wooooo :D
Personally I'm not too bothered anymore with getting to the highest rank, I wanted to be a legendary starcraft 2 player years ago, but it had nothing to do with my passion for the game, I like starcraft but not that much. I just wanted to be one of the best. I can't imagine myself growing old as a starcraft 2 pro, I personally don't think that would make me very happy.
I have other dreams though and I'm doing my best to follow them, to unwind I love playing a videogame or two,
but knowing I'm not doing it to become the best anymore shifts the focus from competetive long term play to being competetive in the moment verus my current opponent, and just enjoy that. I think that's where true satisfaction in gaming lies.
edit: so yeh, just try to become competetive at the level that you're at and don't worry about the immediate future. When your experience and card collection grows so will your level of competiveness, just try to enjoy the experience.
That's all I can say from my perspective and I hope it helps you in some way.
Worlds "bestest" collectors spreadsheet, download at your leisure:
version 2.1 with a big thanks to Rayman001:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dX1-sQD3UVNvk5_AfjtIMzaydii4TXDfnlKVvB_Px20/edit#gid=191287612
Yes you can. Hearthstone is not like most other MOBA or FPS games where the skill cap is very high. You need to play for thousand of hours to drill your skill to perfection in other to complete with the elites. HS, however, is a thinking game where you just need to have a clear mind and a good understanding of the current meta to succeed. A HS beginner who has some experiences with similar trading card/turn based games (chess) can quickly surpass even the most experienced HS player without playing a lot.
Bit of a conundrum isn't it. Let's say he doesn't have any experience with other trading games and or chess,.. should he then go spend time aquiring the needed experience to become a better hearthstone player via chess or magic? Time he points out he doesn't really have because of his real life responsibility's... :p.
Sure thinking game, but you're making a few assumptions that... seem very unrealistic to me. In order to become better at thinking games, much like sports, you will need to practice and put in the hours... 191 IQ isn't going to make you any better at chess if you've never played it before and have no experience with the rules. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he cannot become a hearthstone God, he most certainly can, I'm merely saying he cannot become a hearthstone God without putting in the hours required may it be via past experiences through chess or other card games or by simply playing hearthstone.
Worlds "bestest" collectors spreadsheet, download at your leisure:
version 2.1 with a big thanks to Rayman001:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dX1-sQD3UVNvk5_AfjtIMzaydii4TXDfnlKVvB_Px20/edit#gid=191287612
First of all, if you're so busy irl, why would you play online games? Live real life, play singleplayer games in your free time. Almost all modern online games require nolife mode to achieve something. Hearthstone isn't even the worst game compared to them. I see no way how you can get worse and worse in Hearthstone everyday if you know the cards, the playstyle. It's not hard to become good at this game, and once you do it, you will enjoy this game much more.
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If you are so "succesful" in real life, use real money to get the cards.
Re-reading the OP, it does seem a little smug, the "success" line. As if it was out of the ordinary to have a wife, kids and a job! :D
I have all that too! As many others do too. That's normal life. Games are what we use to relax and escape for a bit. I doubt anyone has more than a couple of hours per day to spare playing. If it's not fun and stressing you out, get help/uninstall.
I watched an interesting vid by Jotto some time ago on how to reach legend (just before I did myself). Basically he says that the road to legendary is one of 55% wins overall and that's a winratio to be proud of (you won't win 70-80% of your games as some deck claim). Secondly my personal advise would be to find out what your play style is (aggro, control, rush) and craft your cards accordingly. The deck that took me to legendary (backspace, coldlight) only had Leeroy and Mukkla in there. The month before I got to rank 2 with shockadin with only Leeroy. Before that I played zoo to rank 3 without legendaries. I like aggro/rush and my crafted cards were accordingly.
You don't need to spend real money to get far in this game (I didn't). Just diligently do your dailies and some extra wins for gold (30 mins a day if you play aggro) and you'll get there. Also, reading articles on here and watching the odd twitch stream or two helps. I used to read the meta reports that DKMR (I think?) write up but cba anymore after reaching legendary once.