if a card that comes into play, clears the whole fucking board, and leaves a 12/12 behind doesnt see play just because it is a 10 mana one, why on earth do you guys think a 10 mana dude that does literally nothing is "very good"?????
if a card that comes into play, clears the whole fucking board, and leaves a 12/12 behind doesnt see play just because it is a 10 mana one, why on earth do you guys think a 10 mana dude that does literally nothing is "very good"?????
This was my worry as well.
Again, because first DW is one way ticket, when you discard your entire hand. I would play him in some decks if he would discard both hands or left both hands untouched. It's much easier to justify 10 which is just slow, and don't leave you at point of no return, because most of the time i can easily handle that slow pace. (For example most of my Handlock games reach past 10 turn easily.)
I am sorry let me clarify. This card comes out and does nothing, nothing at all that turn. You have spent your whole turn not clearing, not taunting up, and not drawing. IF you have a decent board and can make some good trades then fine, you have gained yourself some tempo. If you are behind or can't make good trades you have taken up your entire turn (if you didn't cheat this guy out somehow) casting him and now they have an entire turn to either kill you, deal with Deathwing or put you into lethal range if they are far enough ahead on life or a combination of these things.
Yes handlock games can go awhile, but he question was never "can you get to turn 10 or further", the question is can you afford to just plop this guy out and loose tempo. In the late game, generally the answer is no, you can't.
I do agree that this guy in most situation is better than the old Deathwing since you can just auto lose to removal where you may not with the new Dethwing, I just don't think that that fact makes this guy "good".
Also the title Dragonlord doesn't make any sense, not to me at least.
Don't know if it was answered or not (I really don't want to go through every page 0_0), but Kibler actually explained it: it's a reference to the artifact called the Dragon Soul (that would later be known as the Demon Soul). The Old Gods' grand plan with Neltharian was to manipulate him into creating an artifact that on the surface seemed like a weapon against demons, one that other dragons had to contribute to. The catch being that that "contribution" let Neltharion control any dragon that fell for the trap. Once he fully transformed into Deathwing, all of those fooled drakes got twisted as well. This card's effect represents that moment where Neltharion tricked the other dragonflights into "rallying for a common cause", when they weren't aware of his corruption.
I don't think it's particularly good. Playable at best. If you're spending an entire turn on a card that just gets silenced or transformed or baits your entire hand into a easy board clear you're going to lose. Maybe a good win-more in a control match up, but that's about it.
On the topic of the card's effect... think of him as a Voidcaller for your Ysera. That card saw play despite being costly, right?
I think one difference is that a 4-mana Voidcaller could bring out cards like Doomguard and Mal'Ganis for either a big discount in mana or lose the negative battlecry effect that Doomguard or Warlock minions in general sometimes bring.
Lets say you are on 9-mana have Ysera in hand (no Deathwing, Dragonlord drawn yet) with some situational cards, are you going to play Ysera or are you going to hold Ysera for the eventual Deathwing, Dragonlord deathrattle effect even if you know you don't have many quality dragons left to play in the deck. It would just be a high quality 12/12 at that point. This card costs more mana than other dragons (on average) compared to Voidcaller which is cheaper compared to the top tier demons and means you will not try to play large dragons on future turns to get the most of the deathrattle.
I'd love to see this card work in a N'zoth the Corruptor deck that has just enough deathrattle minions, Cairne, Sylvannas, Tirion, this card, (one other minion) and N'zoth. Would be fun to fill your board up with 32 attack on one turn...
Even if he was just a trash, we must poll very good. Because he is DeathWing!!!
Control War is just waiting to see its playing for BGH and Brawl on same turn )
And I'm sure all CW will be leaving this 2 cards against Dragon Priest :)
Deathrattle: Summon Ysera
That card is dope
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Deathwing, Aspect of Death fits better for lore reasons.... just m2c
Aldor and eadric just got more valuable
Sorry, but face is NOT place :P
Yeah more dragon deck love!
RIP yogg-saron good things don't last forever :(
On the topic of the card's effect... think of him as a Voidcaller for your Ysera. That card saw play despite being costly, right?
Sorry, but face is NOT place :P
This would probably never happen, but... You could pull out Malygos for 1 mana with Naturalize and have 9 mana left for damage spells!
Waiting for the trollden where a rogue thistle tea's into this
I don't think it's particularly good. Playable at best. If you're spending an entire turn on a card that just gets silenced or transformed or baits your entire hand into a easy board clear you're going to lose. Maybe a good win-more in a control match up, but that's about it.
most dragons got value battlecry though, just pulling them out as aoe fodder isnt that great, still playable i guess
Broken if it works, still good even if it doesn't.
With all the established WoW lore I would think a few more unique characters could be used for card art. Meh.
Interesting effect though.
Only playable if mana reduced. Could work in paladin with 5h3 dragon that reduces the cost of your dragons...
Other than that I don't think it'll see much play after everyone had a go at it in first few weeks
Just my 2 cents