Please go easy on me...I've been playing HS for a few months now, but I've never really felt 'good enough' for arena. That extra 50 gold for an entry vs a card pack just seemed too much of a gamble.
With the new quest theme though, it's easier to earn gold, so I've ventured in these past couple of days.
First time I crafted a deck on my own...but there were cards I'm not used to seeing. I screwed up, and ended up with a hunter deck that finished with 4 wins.
So I found the Overwolf app and used that for my next 2 entries decks; A priest, then a rogue.
Both finished 0:3. :(
I'm pretty disheartened right now after feeling like I wasted 300 gold (or 3 packs I guess).
The Overwolf app kept on recommending certain cards as "we really need a 2 drop right now"; even though I had 4-5 2 drops already in my deck of 20 cards (at that point).
Next it was recommending "this card will fit really nicely in our attrition deck", only to recommend the next card draw should be chosen as "it would fit nicely in our control deck". ??
Regardless, I chose whatever it recommended, and lost 6 games in a row with the 2 decks I built. The other players just seemed to have much better cards.
I'm sure it's just me, because frankly, I'm not great at deck building (yet).
I just wanted to check in to see if others recommend the Overwolf app when starting with Arena, or if it's a general consensus that there's a better way?
It is a nice tool. I mainly use it because its easy to miss a good pick based on synergy you wouldnt have noticed otherwise. Its also good for newer players because that might not know what the higher power level stand alone cards are.
I don't know about the app but don't feel like you wasted 300g since even with 0 wins you get a pack plus a small reward. Try to think of it as for 300g you got 2 packs a small reward and some experience to help you improve.
app can give you rating or suggest a synergy, but you still need to have some knowledge of card games, like deck types or what kind of decks you should draw for each class. this new event also introduced very strong cards.
I am playing hearthstone since August 2015 and I have 2350 total counted wins in game. I generally finish a seasons at rank 5. I am a casual long time constructed player and I can play nearly all the tier 1-2 meta decks for every expansion. I purchase only pre-order packs and adventures.
However, I really hate playing in Arena. Playing arena is like gambling. It is hugely affected by luck. I have total of 57 wins in arena and my max run streak is only 6. I am also using Overwolf's arena application. I tried picking all the suggested cards, I also tried picking cards myself. I tried creating aggro, mid-range, late game and control decks however each of them end up being useless.
So I quit playing arena. It is waste of time and money for me. I play it when I find free tickets. Today I tried arena again after a long time and end up 0-3 as always. I selected a paladin and played against 3 mages. Two of them had an incredible curve.
To answer your question, even Kripperian "the arena god ;)" himself using overwatch's arena companion. However, he often selects non-suggested cards in his streams. Therefore, I think the application is useful. But the game mode sucks :)
The app is good, it works with a lot of numbers and statistics so usually it’s ( mathematically speaking ) correct. However, it doesn’t take into considerations “human” things and RNG, obviously a well made deck has a good mana curve, BUT, sometimes you won’t draw the perfect cards, basically fucking you. My suggestion is, don’t always take the card it chooses, sometimes it choose a 2 drop because he’s really fond of them, sometimes card that you may like are actually not good ( point wise ) but take them anyway if you know how to play them, and try to always have some remouval, it’s so rare and useful.
That's where an experienced arena player shines. The app is just an assist tool that can help you value your options better, if you build your deck without a goal for it in mind then the suggestions will lead you astray.
Before picking your class I recommend checking hs replay for the current rankings for classes in arena. Combine top class with hearth arena app in overwolf will help with your deck after that the rest is up to you.
I used to use it when I was a beginner but eventually felt like the cards it suggests are all cards I was going to pick anyway so I stopped bothering with it. I do not think by winrate went up or down since dropping it. Picking the right card isn't that hard. I've reached 12 wins in half the classes without its help, so by no means is using this app vital to your arena success. Even during this Taverns of Time event I averaged 6.8 wins over 6 games without the app (And before someone says that's a lie because 6.8 is OP, it's because arena is full of noobs for the event, normally it would be much harder ;)). Speaking of which, make sure to get plenty of games in before the event hype dies down - it's ez gold farming if you're an experienced player and good practice at a lower cost if you're not
If using the app is lowering your average wins, I suspect you are blindly picking cards instead of thinking about each one, which is what you should be doing. Even when you pick the exact same card it recommends, thinking about it helps you understand each card's role in the deck and why you are picking it. This will be helpful for when you are actually piloting it. Also, the app is not good with archetypes and giving your deck a cohesive gameplan. If it wants a card because it fits your archetype, you should probably ignore it. Learn to pick the archetype on your own. No one except your opponent wants to see a control rogue. Experienced players are mostly using it as a synergy reminder for when they didn't notice they picked so many elementals, making elemental activated cards better, for instance
To answer your question, even Kripperian "the arena god ;)" himself using overwatch's arena companion. However, he often selects non-suggested cards in his streams. Therefore, I think the application is useful. But the game mode sucks :)
Heartharena is one of Kripp's sponsors so he's literally only using it because they pay him to :P
The Overwolf drafting app is not the app that gives you the drafting advice. The drafting advice comes from HearthArena. The Overwolf app allows you to use HearthArena while you are in the Hearthstone screen. Otherwise you'd have to enter all the card choices manually into HearthArena's site.
So the real question is: Is HearthArena any good?
I have used HearthArena extensively for some time, and I think the answer is qualifed "no". OP mentioned the main problems with HearthArena - it is fixated on having a minion to play on turn 2 (if it thinks you have a "fast" deck), and it tries too hard to pin your deck into a "type" based on the deck's average mana cost.
Additionally, in the early draft it focuses too strongly on card quality (aside from 2-drops). For instance if you have an early draft choice of two mid-cost cards of slightly below average quality and a high cost card of slightly above average quality, HA will tell you to take the high cost card. This is usually a mistake: you need to think about filling you curve first, unless the high cost card is of very high quality.
In the last two metas, value was more important than tempo. In this meta, tempo is more important than value. HA has not caught up yet.
HA also undervalues card draw.
"Attrition" and "Classic Control" are the names it gives to decks with the highest average mana cost. Having a high average mana cost deck is usually horrible, except maybe for Priests or Druids with very high quality cards like Obsidian Statue or UI. HA does not do you any favors by trying to find you cards that fit in your "Attrition" deck. If it thinks you have one of those two decks, that should tell you you need to lower your mana curve at any cost.
I disagree with everyone saying that Heartharena sucks. Before I used any help drafting I averaged 3-4 wins. Since I began tracking every arena with its help my average is 5.7 wins. I sometimes crosscheck the tier list with lightforge but generally the choices are at least close.
Ultimately, you must decide what cards and deck styles you're comfortable playing if you expect to have success in arena. You have to be perfect with your board trading mechanics and work hard to gain those extra tempo points.
Edit: Forgot to mention that picking viable arena classes is also hugely important. Rogue is king in arena because the hero power is all about tempo. If you're uncomfortable playing as rogue arena is a great place to learn.
Hey folks,
Please go easy on me...I've been playing HS for a few months now, but I've never really felt 'good enough' for arena. That extra 50 gold for an entry vs a card pack just seemed too much of a gamble.
With the new quest theme though, it's easier to earn gold, so I've ventured in these past couple of days.
First time I crafted a deck on my own...but there were cards I'm not used to seeing. I screwed up, and ended up with a hunter deck that finished with 4 wins.
So I found the Overwolf app and used that for my next 2 entries decks; A priest, then a rogue.
Both finished 0:3. :(
I'm pretty disheartened right now after feeling like I wasted 300 gold (or 3 packs I guess).
The Overwolf app kept on recommending certain cards as "we really need a 2 drop right now"; even though I had 4-5 2 drops already in my deck of 20 cards (at that point).
Next it was recommending "this card will fit really nicely in our attrition deck", only to recommend the next card draw should be chosen as "it would fit nicely in our control deck". ??
Regardless, I chose whatever it recommended, and lost 6 games in a row with the 2 decks I built. The other players just seemed to have much better cards.
I'm sure it's just me, because frankly, I'm not great at deck building (yet).
I just wanted to check in to see if others recommend the Overwolf app when starting with Arena, or if it's a general consensus that there's a better way?
Thanks in advance for your reply!
:)
It is a nice tool. I mainly use it because its easy to miss a good pick based on synergy you wouldnt have noticed otherwise. Its also good for newer players because that might not know what the higher power level stand alone cards are.
I don't know about the app but don't feel like you wasted 300g since even with 0 wins you get a pack plus a small reward. Try to think of it as for 300g you got 2 packs a small reward and some experience to help you improve.
app can give you rating or suggest a synergy, but you still need to have some knowledge of card games, like deck types or what kind of decks you should draw for each class. this new event also introduced very strong cards.
It's there to support you. But you still have to depend the type of archetype you are going for and build with that in mind.
Any time is says that it would normally pick a card but suggests another, go with the card it normally would pick.
If you are in your first year of playing please read this post.
Dust does not burn a hole in the jar. Be careful what you craft, especially before and right after a rotation.
I am playing hearthstone since August 2015 and I have 2350 total counted wins in game. I generally finish a seasons at rank 5. I am a casual long time constructed player and I can play nearly all the tier 1-2 meta decks for every expansion. I purchase only pre-order packs and adventures.
However, I really hate playing in Arena. Playing arena is like gambling. It is hugely affected by luck. I have total of 57 wins in arena and my max run streak is only 6. I am also using Overwolf's arena application. I tried picking all the suggested cards, I also tried picking cards myself. I tried creating aggro, mid-range, late game and control decks however each of them end up being useless.
So I quit playing arena. It is waste of time and money for me. I play it when I find free tickets. Today I tried arena again after a long time and end up 0-3 as always. I selected a paladin and played against 3 mages. Two of them had an incredible curve.
To answer your question, even Kripperian "the arena god ;)" himself using overwatch's arena companion. However, he often selects non-suggested cards in his streams. Therefore, I think the application is useful. But the game mode sucks :)
The app is good, it works with a lot of numbers and statistics so usually it’s ( mathematically speaking ) correct. However, it doesn’t take into considerations “human” things and RNG, obviously a well made deck has a good mana curve, BUT, sometimes you won’t draw the perfect cards, basically fucking you. My suggestion is, don’t always take the card it chooses, sometimes it choose a 2 drop because he’s really fond of them, sometimes card that you may like are actually not good ( point wise ) but take them anyway if you know how to play them, and try to always have some remouval, it’s so rare and useful.
And i don’t even play Paladins
That's where an experienced arena player shines. The app is just an assist tool that can help you value your options better, if you build your deck without a goal for it in mind then the suggestions will lead you astray.
Before picking your class I recommend checking hs replay for the current rankings for classes in arena. Combine top class with hearth arena app in overwolf will help with your deck after that the rest is up to you.
I used to use it when I was a beginner but eventually felt like the cards it suggests are all cards I was going to pick anyway so I stopped bothering with it. I do not think by winrate went up or down since dropping it. Picking the right card isn't that hard. I've reached 12 wins in half the classes without its help, so by no means is using this app vital to your arena success. Even during this Taverns of Time event I averaged 6.8 wins over 6 games without the app (And before someone says that's a lie because 6.8 is OP, it's because arena is full of noobs for the event, normally it would be much harder ;)). Speaking of which, make sure to get plenty of games in before the event hype dies down - it's ez gold farming if you're an experienced player and good practice at a lower cost if you're not
If using the app is lowering your average wins, I suspect you are blindly picking cards instead of thinking about each one, which is what you should be doing. Even when you pick the exact same card it recommends, thinking about it helps you understand each card's role in the deck and why you are picking it. This will be helpful for when you are actually piloting it. Also, the app is not good with archetypes and giving your deck a cohesive gameplan. If it wants a card because it fits your archetype, you should probably ignore it. Learn to pick the archetype on your own. No one except your opponent wants to see a control rogue. Experienced players are mostly using it as a synergy reminder for when they didn't notice they picked so many elementals, making elemental activated cards better, for instance
Heartharena is one of Kripp's sponsors so he's literally only using it because they pay him to :P
Legend with : S65 Freeze Mage, S57 Maly Gonk Druid, S57 "Okay" Shaman, S53 Boom-zooka Hunter, S53 Maly Tog Druid, S52 Wild Tog Druid ft.Blingtron, S50 Quest Rogue, S49 Dead Man's Warrior, S41 Wild Clown Fiesta Druid, S41 Hadronox Jade Druid, S40 Wild OTK Dragon Druid, S35 SMOrc Shaman, S33 Jade Druid, S22 Control Priest, S19 Control Priest
thelightforge.com/TierList
Remember tempo is king in arena
The Overwolf drafting app is not the app that gives you the drafting advice. The drafting advice comes from HearthArena. The Overwolf app allows you to use HearthArena while you are in the Hearthstone screen. Otherwise you'd have to enter all the card choices manually into HearthArena's site.
So the real question is: Is HearthArena any good?
I have used HearthArena extensively for some time, and I think the answer is qualifed "no". OP mentioned the main problems with HearthArena - it is fixated on having a minion to play on turn 2 (if it thinks you have a "fast" deck), and it tries too hard to pin your deck into a "type" based on the deck's average mana cost.
Additionally, in the early draft it focuses too strongly on card quality (aside from 2-drops). For instance if you have an early draft choice of two mid-cost cards of slightly below average quality and a high cost card of slightly above average quality, HA will tell you to take the high cost card. This is usually a mistake: you need to think about filling you curve first, unless the high cost card is of very high quality.
In the last two metas, value was more important than tempo. In this meta, tempo is more important than value. HA has not caught up yet.
HA also undervalues card draw.
"Attrition" and "Classic Control" are the names it gives to decks with the highest average mana cost. Having a high average mana cost deck is usually horrible, except maybe for Priests or Druids with very high quality cards like Obsidian Statue or UI. HA does not do you any favors by trying to find you cards that fit in your "Attrition" deck. If it thinks you have one of those two decks, that should tell you you need to lower your mana curve at any cost.
I disagree with everyone saying that Heartharena sucks. Before I used any help drafting I averaged 3-4 wins. Since I began tracking every arena with its help my average is 5.7 wins. I sometimes crosscheck the tier list with lightforge but generally the choices are at least close.
Ultimately, you must decide what cards and deck styles you're comfortable playing if you expect to have success in arena. You have to be perfect with your board trading mechanics and work hard to gain those extra tempo points.
Edit: Forgot to mention that picking viable arena classes is also hugely important. Rogue is king in arena because the hero power is all about tempo. If you're uncomfortable playing as rogue arena is a great place to learn.
"Since we don't want too many early drops and we need and early drop [...]"
Legend with : S65 Freeze Mage, S57 Maly Gonk Druid, S57 "Okay" Shaman, S53 Boom-zooka Hunter, S53 Maly Tog Druid, S52 Wild Tog Druid ft.Blingtron, S50 Quest Rogue, S49 Dead Man's Warrior, S41 Wild Clown Fiesta Druid, S41 Hadronox Jade Druid, S40 Wild OTK Dragon Druid, S35 SMOrc Shaman, S33 Jade Druid, S22 Control Priest, S19 Control Priest