No matter how much hate Pirate Warrior gets, it IS a good deck, its just easy to play and dosen't require much skill to play it, but it does require SOME skill to make it to Legend rank at least.
My question is, is Pirate Warrior still the best deck or has another taken its place? For example Murloc Paladin, but Pirate Warrior seems to be slightly favored even against that deck.
One thing is sure, Pirate Warrior is still and will most likely remain the most annoying deck for a long damn time.
I wouldn't call it the best deck. It's a very efficient deck as it plays really fast and has a lot of boost and thrives as an aggro deck, but it gets kinda weak when you start playing other decks in higher ranks, even if you tech it or play with a skill (not missing turn one patches to the face). It's still a top 10 deck I would say, but there are a better decks. Paladin, Freeze mage, miracle rogue, I think even the rogue quest with vanish is better than pirate warrior.
Too much golakka crawler being played. I play a lot of decks, and never see crawler, bring out pirate warrior, and see it two games in a row on turn 2.
Meta hasn't even came close to settling yet. Paladin is the big deal right now, but most decks atill haven't been completely figured out. Pirate Warrior is just capatilizimg on that. It's probably a tier 2 deck at the moment, but people are over rating it because it is already refined and beats their experiments.
It's great pre rank 5. Sucks after rank 5. There's just TOO much taunt to contend with and TOO many huntards with Golakkas eating your pirates an taking ALL the tempo.
I would say midrange paladin, quest warrior and miracle rogue are the best at high ranks.
My experience trying to rank up with pirate warrior above rank 5 (and this is borne out by the VS data) is that it's really great against certain deck archetypes and fails horribly against others. This means that there's more variance in win rate, and extreme streakiness. You might shoot up to rank 3 only to fall back to rank 5 again. (This can of course happen with any deck, but pirate warrior is less consistent than some others.)
It does have the critical advantage of being a fast deck, but a more consistent deck will help ensure you don't end up way out on the long tail of many hundreds of games to get from R5 to Legend.
I ended up switching to a murloc paladin deck, which can still be fast, has a solid win rate and is a lot more consistent. The worst match-ups aren't as bad (and the best match-ups aren't as good) but how things go isn't as dictated by a rock-scissors-paper of deck archetypes alone.
Pirate warrior is a good deck, but the problem is almost everyone now knows how to beat it. I can usually beat an pirate warrior unless i draw bad/he draws perfect.
People also tech against them super hard, name one deck today without anti-aggro(or even some anti-pirate) cards. Almost every deck i have is teched against it with cards such as Golakka Crawler and Tar Creeper. People also know exactly how they want their deck to go against pirate warrior such as mulligan and order.
It's great pre rank 5. Sucks after rank 5. There's just TOO much taunt to contend with and TOO many huntards with Golakkas eating your pirates an taking ALL the tempo.
I would say midrange paladin, quest warrior and miracle rogue are the best at high ranks.
A piraTARD is not allowed to call hunters huntards. From one that dislike hunters a lot.
Efficient, fast ,and deadly, the freaking pirates are! But manageable and winnable against. I still think its a powerful deck and one worth playing for ladder if you lack the cards for the new decks out there. But the best? I don't think so. Lots of decks out there that can handle Pirates and much more fun to play. Taunt Warrior, Freeze Mage, Purify Priest, etc. all can win against Pirates!
Pirate Warrior is superior in many ways... it has high consistency, don't need a skilled player to pilot and the games are super fast. The problem is, even if a midrange or control deck hits a higher win rate ... Pirate Warrior does more games in the same time.
Even with a hard anti pirate tech meta now and everyone knows how to fight it is still T1 in standart and wild. There is no hard counter that survive against the other decks (Quest Rogues does a good job in killing them -.-) there are soft counter with a 55% +/- win rate wuhu...
Pirate Warrior is superior in many ways... it has high consistency
Pirate Warrior is consistent against certain deck archetypes but also consistently loses to others. Also, it's very sensitive to having good card draw. Playing it well requires shorter-term decision-making than many other decks (including some fast ones.)
If you look at the archetype win rate chart on VS, you'll see that pirate warrior is all over the place while other archetypes are less sensitive to their opponent's archetype. That lower sensitivity means lower variance in win rate as your skill improves and probably means a more predictable ladder climb (though not necessarily faster.)
I ended up ditching PW this month because it felt like the outcome wasn't really in my hands beyond a certain point, it was too much down to card draw and against whom I got matched. The overall average win rate is good, but kind of depends on the things that easily beat it being less popular right now.
I crafted my first deck three days ago; I REALLY regret picking Pirate Warrior as that deck. I stopped playing it after a day. What a complete waste of 2600 dust, or whatever I spent on it.
The way everyone talks about it, they make it out like an unstoppable deck that's just disgustingly good. It's not. It feels disgustingly good to play against because if it gets perfect draws and your draws aren't, it CAN be really powerful, but it's really inconsistent against most of the meta right now. Most decks have tweaked or teched for pirates/aggro, or are better and more consistent aggro themselves, such as various Hunter, Druid, and Paladin aggro decks.
With Gorlakka Crawler probably in 33% - 50% of peoples' decks at the moment, that often swings a game when it comes out. There's plenty of AOE and taunt out there, too, and a Pirate Warrior usually can't recover from much of that.
I started with a home built Hunter deck that is somewhere between Mid-Range and Aggro, and that's what I immediately went back to. Stopped my losing streak and started climbing again. I have a better than 50% win rate against pirates, and I often don't even tech Gorlakka.
I think Pirate Warrior has finally hit the tipping point, with the cards it lost last rotation, the nerfs, and the new anti-aggro cards available, Pirate Warrior is finally, finally Rank 2. And that moment is when I chose to try it out. Great.
It's great pre rank 5. Sucks after rank 5. There's just TOO much taunt to contend with and TOO many huntards with Golakkas eating your pirates an taking ALL the tempo.
I would say midrange paladin, quest warrior and miracle rogue are the best at high ranks.
ive rode the deck from r3 to legend without a single loss against hunter and maybe one loss againt qw. i only lost 2 games overall
The deck feels like a highroll deck as of late. Opening Golakka Crawler in the mirror or against Druid/Rogue, or having it opened against you, can win or lose the game on its own. Just too much tempo and swing factor for a fairly statlined card. Also has decent synergy in Hunter. The meta has also switched from being Rogue centric to being Paladin centric, meaning that face/aggressive decks become stifled when matched against Paladin's superior board presence and burst healing potential. Overall, the deck is still really strong and its existence is quite important to keep Rogue in check.
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No matter how much hate Pirate Warrior gets, it IS a good deck, its just easy to play and dosen't require much skill to play it, but it does require SOME skill to make it to Legend rank at least.
My question is, is Pirate Warrior still the best deck or has another taken its place? For example Murloc Paladin, but Pirate Warrior seems to be slightly favored even against that deck.
One thing is sure, Pirate Warrior is still and will most likely remain the most annoying deck for a long damn time.
What are your opinions?
I wouldn't call it the best deck. It's a very efficient deck as it plays really fast and has a lot of boost and thrives as an aggro deck, but it gets kinda weak when you start playing other decks in higher ranks, even if you tech it or play with a skill (not missing turn one patches to the face). It's still a top 10 deck I would say, but there are a better decks. Paladin, Freeze mage, miracle rogue, I think even the rogue quest with vanish is better than pirate warrior.
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Too much golakka crawler being played. I play a lot of decks, and never see crawler, bring out pirate warrior, and see it two games in a row on turn 2.
Meta hasn't even came close to settling yet. Paladin is the big deal right now, but most decks atill haven't been completely figured out. Pirate Warrior is just capatilizimg on that. It's probably a tier 2 deck at the moment, but people are over rating it because it is already refined and beats their experiments.
It's great pre rank 5. Sucks after rank 5. There's just TOO much taunt to contend with and TOO many huntards with Golakkas eating your pirates an taking ALL the tempo.
I would say midrange paladin, quest warrior and miracle rogue are the best at high ranks.
Pirate Warrior requires skill? What skill are you talking about, a skill to hit face?
I play taunt warrior and don't struggle much. I'm rank 10 atm, so I can't say how is it going higher on the ladder.
I've no clue what I'm doing...
My experience trying to rank up with pirate warrior above rank 5 (and this is borne out by the VS data) is that it's really great against certain deck archetypes and fails horribly against others. This means that there's more variance in win rate, and extreme streakiness. You might shoot up to rank 3 only to fall back to rank 5 again. (This can of course happen with any deck, but pirate warrior is less consistent than some others.)
It does have the critical advantage of being a fast deck, but a more consistent deck will help ensure you don't end up way out on the long tail of many hundreds of games to get from R5 to Legend.
I ended up switching to a murloc paladin deck, which can still be fast, has a solid win rate and is a lot more consistent. The worst match-ups aren't as bad (and the best match-ups aren't as good) but how things go isn't as dictated by a rock-scissors-paper of deck archetypes alone.
The single most annoying and brainless deck. Cheap as hell too.
Pirate warrior is a good deck, but the problem is almost everyone now knows how to beat it. I can usually beat an pirate warrior unless i draw bad/he draws perfect.
People also tech against them super hard, name one deck today without anti-aggro(or even some anti-pirate) cards. Almost every deck i have is teched against it with cards such as Golakka Crawler and Tar Creeper. People also know exactly how they want their deck to go against pirate warrior such as mulligan and order.
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Yeah, but nowadays you don't know whether you play against pirate or taunt if you queue up against a warrior. So mulligan is not that easy.
Efficient, fast ,and deadly, the freaking pirates are! But manageable and winnable against. I still think its a powerful deck and one worth playing for ladder if you lack the cards for the new decks out there. But the best? I don't think so. Lots of decks out there that can handle Pirates and much more fun to play. Taunt Warrior, Freeze Mage, Purify Priest, etc. all can win against Pirates!
Pirate Warrior is superior in many ways... it has high consistency, don't need a skilled player to pilot and the games are super fast. The problem is, even if a midrange or control deck hits a higher win rate ... Pirate Warrior does more games in the same time.
Even with a hard anti pirate tech meta now and everyone knows how to fight it is still T1 in standart and wild. There is no hard counter that survive against the other decks (Quest Rogues does a good job in killing them -.-) there are soft counter with a 55% +/- win rate wuhu...
I crafted my first deck three days ago; I REALLY regret picking Pirate Warrior as that deck. I stopped playing it after a day. What a complete waste of 2600 dust, or whatever I spent on it.
The way everyone talks about it, they make it out like an unstoppable deck that's just disgustingly good. It's not. It feels disgustingly good to play against because if it gets perfect draws and your draws aren't, it CAN be really powerful, but it's really inconsistent against most of the meta right now. Most decks have tweaked or teched for pirates/aggro, or are better and more consistent aggro themselves, such as various Hunter, Druid, and Paladin aggro decks.
With Gorlakka Crawler probably in 33% - 50% of peoples' decks at the moment, that often swings a game when it comes out. There's plenty of AOE and taunt out there, too, and a Pirate Warrior usually can't recover from much of that.
I started with a home built Hunter deck that is somewhere between Mid-Range and Aggro, and that's what I immediately went back to. Stopped my losing streak and started climbing again. I have a better than 50% win rate against pirates, and I often don't even tech Gorlakka.
I think Pirate Warrior has finally hit the tipping point, with the cards it lost last rotation, the nerfs, and the new anti-aggro cards available, Pirate Warrior is finally, finally Rank 2. And that moment is when I chose to try it out. Great.
The deck feels like a highroll deck as of late. Opening Golakka Crawler in the mirror or against Druid/Rogue, or having it opened against you, can win or lose the game on its own. Just too much tempo and swing factor for a fairly statlined card. Also has decent synergy in Hunter. The meta has also switched from being Rogue centric to being Paladin centric, meaning that face/aggressive decks become stifled when matched against Paladin's superior board presence and burst healing potential. Overall, the deck is still really strong and its existence is quite important to keep Rogue in check.
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