I play casually, I put maybe a max of £30 a year into the game so maybe you do not have the same problem if you're a hardcore player. However I find myself constantly frustrated as they always throw loads of cards out each year, then I have to spend a month or two building a single deck. Which means I constantly come up against parings I just cannot beat, like Obelisk Eye priests. Where as before they removed all my decks I spent so long grinding for, I had fun and utility for anything. Each time they do it I play the game less and less, and I spend less and less money.... what is the point if they can just take the cards away from you? I know it's meant to be the fun part of the game, but it's not fun when you're left with no decks to play with.
Blizzard always seem to screw their games, WoW was ruined with TBC and my favourite Hero on Overwatch was Torb and they ruined him in a patch. Now this is the last Blizzard game I play... but I'm going to spend all this time making new decks for them to just take them away. I think the next time is the time I stop for good.
Blizzard always seem to screw their games, WoW was ruined with TBC and my favourite Hero on Overwatch was Torb and they ruined him in a patch. Now this is the last Blizzard game I play... but I'm going to spend all this time making new decks for them to just take them away. I think the next time is the time I stop for good.
But in wild you can lose automatically just because your opponents deck is op while you might just be playing a casual deck its a lot of bullshit I stopped playing hearthstone though after I hit legend it was too expensive
Yeah either wild or get really good at a F2P deck in standard. Old Guardian always posts viable cheap decks.
Main thing for me to get ez Legend in standard is focusing on one -2 classes. This way you get really good at those and dont have to buy much to stay competitive.
But in wild you can lose automatically just because your opponents deck is op while you might just be playing a casual deck its a lot of bullshit I stopped playing hearthstone though after I hit legend it was too expensive
Then why are you still here? (Serious question, btw)
Pretty sure A lot of cheap legandary viable decks are in wild atm. Also if u didnt buy initial packs for all exp i would sugest buying some cuz of the legiies.
I play casually, I put maybe a max of £30 a year into the game so maybe you do not have the same problem if you're a hardcore player. However I find myself constantly frustrated as they always throw loads of cards out each year, then I have to spend a month or two building a single deck. Which means I constantly come up against parings I just cannot beat, like Obelisk Eye priests. Where as before they removed all my decks I spent so long grinding for, I had fun and utility for anything. Each time they do it I play the game less and less, and I spend less and less money.... what is the point if they can just take the cards away from you? I know it's meant to be the fun part of the game, but it's not fun when you're left with no decks to play with.
Blizzard always seem to screw their games, WoW was ruined with TBC and my favourite Hero on Overwatch was Torb and they ruined him in a patch. Now this is the last Blizzard game I play... but I'm going to spend all this time making new decks for them to just take them away. I think the next time is the time I stop for good.
OP, I get how you feel. HS Is an incredibly expensive game. Some people have managed to stay F2P but they probably spend several hours a day playing to complete quests, save up gold and carefully craft the cards they want. That has no appeal for me. I have spent more money than I'd care to admit on this game because I really enjoy it. I don't have a lot of time to play, maybe two hours a week if I'm lucky so grinding isn't possible. When I play I like to have all the cards I need to make any deck I want. But that has a huge cost to it. Just to keep current and get all the good stuff I probably spend close to €150 per expansion plus I buy the adventures and some bundles if I think they're a good deal. I know a lot of people aren't in a position to spend as much money on the game.
The way I see it, HS either requires a lot of time invested or money spent in order to keep up. I don't think there's any other way.
I've said it before but the game is almost too expensive for me to justify anymore. Some €500 a year is no small amount of money and I'm not sure how much longer I'll happily part with my money just to enjoy a few hours of HS every now and then. I used to play much more than I do now. I suppose I'm dealing with the sunk cost falicy where I feel I've spent so much on the game it would be a shame to stop. It's great having a collection where you can make pretty much any deck you want to in both Standard and Wild and I would like to be able to keep up with the game but, "How long can this go on?", well I'm not sure.
The quick way to stay competitive f2p: Complete daily quests, dust bad cards, let your packs pick your decks not you. Don't craft or dust anything in the first week or two of the new set, then look to see which tier 2+ decks you're close to making and what cards you opened aren't seeing *any* play. Dust the bad cards, make the good decks. But let the cost of the decks determine which decks you make.
I play casually, I put maybe a max of £30 a year into the game so maybe you do not have the same problem if you're a hardcore player. However I find myself constantly frustrated as they always throw loads of cards out each year, then I have to spend a month or two building a single deck. Which means I constantly come up against parings I just cannot beat, like Obelisk Eye priests. Where as before they removed all my decks I spent so long grinding for, I had fun and utility for anything. Each time they do it I play the game less and less, and I spend less and less money.... what is the point if they can just take the cards away from you? I know it's meant to be the fun part of the game, but it's not fun when you're left with no decks to play with.
Blizzard always seem to screw their games, WoW was ruined with TBC and my favourite Hero on Overwatch was Torb and they ruined him in a patch. Now this is the last Blizzard game I play... but I'm going to spend all this time making new decks for them to just take them away. I think the next time is the time I stop for good.
OP, I get how you feel. HS Is an incredibly expensive game. Some people have managed to stay F2P but they probably spend several hours a day playing to complete quests, save up gold and carefully craft the cards they want. That has no appeal for me. I have spent more money than I'd care to admit on this game because I really enjoy it. I don't have a lot of time to play, maybe two hours a week if I'm lucky so grinding isn't possible. When I play I like to have all the cards I need to make any deck I want. But that has a huge cost to it. Just to keep current and get all the good stuff I probably spend close to €150 per expansion plus I buy the adventures and some bundles if I think they're a good deal. I know a lot of people aren't in a position to spend as much money on the game.
The way I see it, HS either requires a lot of time invested or money spent in order to keep up. I don't think there's any other way.
I've said it before but the game is almost too expensive for me to justify anymore. Some €500 a year is no small amount of money and I'm not sure how much longer I'll happily part with my money just to enjoy a few hours of HS every now and then. I used to play much more than I do now. I suppose I'm dealing with the sunk cost falicy where I feel I've spent so much on the game it would be a shame to stop. It's great having a collection where you can make pretty much any deck you want to in both Standard and Wild and I would like to be able to keep up with the game but, "How long can this go on?", well I'm not sure.
I agree with almost all of this but I would say there is a middle ground, rather than grinding hours per day or spending £500 per year and I feel I'm sat in that middle ground really.
I don't grind the game, I have weeks where I'll play a couple of hours per week, I have other weeks where I play an hour or two each day. There are rare times where I'll play for several hours in a day but that isn't consistent or often.
I pre order with the smaller bundle in some expansions, it really depends how much I'm playing but on average it's one or two expansions in the year. I do tend to get the bundles, with the exception of a few I don't feel we're good value.
I've been pretty careful with the ball of fame changes and Baku and Venn HoF I made a ton of dust out of and I've typically done well with making dust in the rotations. I rarely used to craft any cards at all, I'd generally take whatever I got from packs or whatever legebdaries my bundle and packs got me and lean towards those classes. There were some decks I simply never used because I am fairly stingy with my dust. I started with not dropping below certain amounts of dust, say 1600 just incase there was a legendary I was desperate to use. Over time this threshold became 5k dust, then 10 and it's currently at 20k. If I get to this amount I'll shut off crafting except for extreme reasons and allow it to build again. I do dust some cards that rotate to wild, especially golden cards but I'll keep cards that I really enjoy or love 'just in case'. When this expansion hit I had saved around 5.5k gold, 35k dust and along with the small bundle I've been able to craft everything I want to play and I'm sat on around 19k dust with 4500 ish in duplicates.
My long winded point is that you can be in the middle and I certainly don't sink £500 a year in, now where close but then I obviously do play more on average than you. Overall though, as a company, Blizzard can't cater to absolutely everyone, no company can. Some people's circumstances simply mean they don't have the time, resources or both to enjoy the product and that's OK. It isn't the company at fault or the individual. It does seem there are people (not you) however who expect that whatever they want to participate in, they should be enabled to do so and that's when you get the entitled, bratty behaviour of the player base.
OP, I get how you feel. HS Is an incredibly expensive game. Some people have managed to stay F2P but they probably spend several hours a day playing to complete quests, save up gold and carefully craft the cards they want. That has no appeal for me. I have spent more money than I'd care to admit on this game because I really enjoy it. I don't have a lot of time to play, maybe two hours a week if I'm lucky so grinding isn't possible. When I play I like to have all the cards I need to make any deck I want. But that has a huge cost to it. Just to keep current and get all the good stuff I probably spend close to €150 per expansion plus I buy the adventures and some bundles if I think they're a good deal. I know a lot of people aren't in a position to spend as much money on the game.
The way I see it, HS either requires a lot of time invested or money spent in order to keep up. I don't think there's any other way.
I've said it before but the game is almost too expensive for me to justify anymore. Some €500 a year is no small amount of money and I'm not sure how much longer I'll happily part with my money just to enjoy a few hours of HS every now and then. I used to play much more than I do now. I suppose I'm dealing with the sunk cost falicy where I feel I've spent so much on the game it would be a shame to stop. It's great having a collection where you can make pretty much any deck you want to in both Standard and Wild and I would like to be able to keep up with the game but, "How long can this go on?", well I'm not sure.
Card card games are expensive if you want to keep a big collection, there’s no 2 ways about it. That being said, even with your very high amount of money put in and low amount of time played, you are paying less than 5£ per hour of entertainment, which is reasonable compared to many other activities: movies, mini golf, bowling, laser tag etc.
That being said, with regular play, it’s a reasonable hobby. Sinking in 150 £ every 3 months for preorders, adventures and random packs will get you easily all meta decks if you play 5 hours a week. That’s still not a high time investment, but set for arguments sake. Now hourly cost is less than 2.5, and that goes down rapidly as you play more.
Pretty sure A lot of cheap legandary viable decks are in wild atm. Also if u didnt buy initial packs for all exp i would sugest buying some cuz of the legiies.
Not really. Even if some are indeed cheap, pretty much every single one of them contains a one of two Legendaries (talking about the cheaper ones), which add a lot to the power.
It's not the situation as with some past decks in standard, when you could have a deck entirely of Commons, Rares and a few Epics. Even the cheaper decks, like DH or Even Paladin require a couple of Legendaries. I mean you can build something without them, but it won't be as good as a proper deck.
Players who worry about cost of entry for Wild mode need to remember you don't need ALL the good cards to compete.
Pick a competitive deck you'd like to play that has reasonable dust value. Craft it, play it. As you gain experience/resources, think of the next deck you'd like to save up for. That's it. This can be done F2P and doesn't take THAT long. Just be patient and learn how to enjoy climbing using just one deck.
But in wild you can lose automatically just because your opponents deck is op while you might just be playing a casual deck its a lot of bullshit I stopped playing hearthstone though after I hit legend it was too expensive
Then why are you still here? (Serious question, btw)
I remember a time when people bashed on wild... said wild was utter crap, people mindlessley disenchanting every wild card they had to keep in check with standard...
look at this now... wild gets promoted by the community... how the tables have turned... finally we see that the standard streamers are nothing else then publicity for blizzard!
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I agree with the author. Blizzard is sometimes going crazy in their wish to make games look better. But in fact, we know that it's eventually all about the money. I noticed that the majority of modern developers have the same problem and in order to make more money from their fans they worsen their products. Fortunately, we have the alternative, and usually they come from the East. I usually see interesting japanese games at cdkeysforgames.com which are extremely entertaining. But still there is a hope that our beloved developers from the West will learn from their mistakes.
I play casually, I put maybe a max of £30 a year into the game so maybe you do not have the same problem if you're a hardcore player. However I find myself constantly frustrated as they always throw loads of cards out each year, then I have to spend a month or two building a single deck. Which means I constantly come up against parings I just cannot beat, like Obelisk Eye priests. Where as before they removed all my decks I spent so long grinding for, I had fun and utility for anything. Each time they do it I play the game less and less, and I spend less and less money.... what is the point if they can just take the cards away from you? I know it's meant to be the fun part of the game, but it's not fun when you're left with no decks to play with.
Blizzard always seem to screw their games, WoW was ruined with TBC and my favourite Hero on Overwatch was Torb and they ruined him in a patch. Now this is the last Blizzard game I play... but I'm going to spend all this time making new decks for them to just take them away. I think the next time is the time I stop for good.
You should try out Wild.
Once you craft a deck there, you can play it as long as you want.
It doesn't even have to be an expensive one, Odd and Even decks are generally cheap, Secret Mage and Discard Warlock are easy to build.
There are also a lot more cards you can replace a certain one you're missing.
Obey C'Thun, Praise The Darkness, Pet Hakkar, the Soulflayer, Love Yogg-Saron, Hope's End
But in wild you can lose automatically just because your opponents deck is op while you might just be playing a casual deck its a lot of bullshit I stopped playing hearthstone though after I hit legend it was too expensive
Keymaster Alabaster come faster
make a wild pirate warrior deck. reach legend easily every season. with the free ladder rewards you can build another decks.
wild is the way :)
Yeah either wild or get really good at a F2P deck in standard. Old Guardian always posts viable cheap decks.
Main thing for me to get ez Legend in standard is focusing on one -2 classes. This way you get really good at those and dont have to buy much to stay competitive.
Then why are you still here? (Serious question, btw)
"There is no spoon"
Play demon hunter, hit legend every month and grind rewards, use dust for op decks.
You will suffer but heavily rewarded in the end.
Pretty sure A lot of cheap legandary viable decks are in wild atm. Also if u didnt buy initial packs for all exp i would sugest buying some cuz of the legiies.
OP, I get how you feel. HS Is an incredibly expensive game. Some people have managed to stay F2P but they probably spend several hours a day playing to complete quests, save up gold and carefully craft the cards they want. That has no appeal for me. I have spent more money than I'd care to admit on this game because I really enjoy it. I don't have a lot of time to play, maybe two hours a week if I'm lucky so grinding isn't possible. When I play I like to have all the cards I need to make any deck I want. But that has a huge cost to it. Just to keep current and get all the good stuff I probably spend close to €150 per expansion plus I buy the adventures and some bundles if I think they're a good deal. I know a lot of people aren't in a position to spend as much money on the game.
The way I see it, HS either requires a lot of time invested or money spent in order to keep up. I don't think there's any other way.
I've said it before but the game is almost too expensive for me to justify anymore. Some €500 a year is no small amount of money and I'm not sure how much longer I'll happily part with my money just to enjoy a few hours of HS every now and then. I used to play much more than I do now. I suppose I'm dealing with the sunk cost falicy where I feel I've spent so much on the game it would be a shame to stop. It's great having a collection where you can make pretty much any deck you want to in both Standard and Wild and I would like to be able to keep up with the game but, "How long can this go on?", well I'm not sure.
Missing lethal since June 2015.
The quick way to stay competitive f2p: Complete daily quests, dust bad cards, let your packs pick your decks not you. Don't craft or dust anything in the first week or two of the new set, then look to see which tier 2+ decks you're close to making and what cards you opened aren't seeing *any* play. Dust the bad cards, make the good decks. But let the cost of the decks determine which decks you make.
I agree with almost all of this but I would say there is a middle ground, rather than grinding hours per day or spending £500 per year and I feel I'm sat in that middle ground really.
I don't grind the game, I have weeks where I'll play a couple of hours per week, I have other weeks where I play an hour or two each day. There are rare times where I'll play for several hours in a day but that isn't consistent or often.
I pre order with the smaller bundle in some expansions, it really depends how much I'm playing but on average it's one or two expansions in the year. I do tend to get the bundles, with the exception of a few I don't feel we're good value.
I've been pretty careful with the ball of fame changes and Baku and Venn HoF I made a ton of dust out of and I've typically done well with making dust in the rotations. I rarely used to craft any cards at all, I'd generally take whatever I got from packs or whatever legebdaries my bundle and packs got me and lean towards those classes. There were some decks I simply never used because I am fairly stingy with my dust. I started with not dropping below certain amounts of dust, say 1600 just incase there was a legendary I was desperate to use. Over time this threshold became 5k dust, then 10 and it's currently at 20k. If I get to this amount I'll shut off crafting except for extreme reasons and allow it to build again. I do dust some cards that rotate to wild, especially golden cards but I'll keep cards that I really enjoy or love 'just in case'. When this expansion hit I had saved around 5.5k gold, 35k dust and along with the small bundle I've been able to craft everything I want to play and I'm sat on around 19k dust with 4500 ish in duplicates.
My long winded point is that you can be in the middle and I certainly don't sink £500 a year in, now where close but then I obviously do play more on average than you. Overall though, as a company, Blizzard can't cater to absolutely everyone, no company can. Some people's circumstances simply mean they don't have the time, resources or both to enjoy the product and that's OK. It isn't the company at fault or the individual. It does seem there are people (not you) however who expect that whatever they want to participate in, they should be enabled to do so and that's when you get the entitled, bratty behaviour of the player base.
Card card games are expensive if you want to keep a big collection, there’s no 2 ways about it. That being said, even with your very high amount of money put in and low amount of time played, you are paying less than 5£ per hour of entertainment, which is reasonable compared to many other activities: movies, mini golf, bowling, laser tag etc.
That being said, with regular play, it’s a reasonable hobby. Sinking in 150 £ every 3 months for preorders, adventures and random packs will get you easily all meta decks if you play 5 hours a week. That’s still not a high time investment, but set for arguments sake. Now hourly cost is less than 2.5, and that goes down rapidly as you play more.
Not really. Even if some are indeed cheap, pretty much every single one of them contains a one of two Legendaries (talking about the cheaper ones), which add a lot to the power.
It's not the situation as with some past decks in standard, when you could have a deck entirely of Commons, Rares and a few Epics. Even the cheaper decks, like DH or Even Paladin require a couple of Legendaries. I mean you can build something without them, but it won't be as good as a proper deck.
My vote goes to Wild mode.
Players who worry about cost of entry for Wild mode need to remember you don't need ALL the good cards to compete.
Pick a competitive deck you'd like to play that has reasonable dust value. Craft it, play it. As you gain experience/resources, think of the next deck you'd like to save up for. That's it. This can be done F2P and doesn't take THAT long. Just be patient and learn how to enjoy climbing using just one deck.
Because your mom told me to be here
Keymaster Alabaster come faster
I remember a time when people bashed on wild... said wild was utter crap, people mindlessley disenchanting every wild card they had to keep in check with standard...
look at this now... wild gets promoted by the community... how the tables have turned... finally we see that the standard streamers are nothing else then publicity for blizzard!
To live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffer!
So your one of those “priest” guys.. hmm.
Quit while you're ahead and play literally any other online ccg
This game was never f2p friendly but it's gotten much worse
Remember when you got 1k gold and dust from the fire festival? Now we get 6 packs wew nice
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I agree with the author. Blizzard is sometimes going crazy in their wish to make games look better. But in fact, we know that it's eventually all about the money. I noticed that the majority of modern developers have the same problem and in order to make more money from their fans they worsen their products. Fortunately, we have the alternative, and usually they come from the East. I usually see interesting japanese games at cdkeysforgames.com which are extremely entertaining. But still there is a hope that our beloved developers from the West will learn from their mistakes.