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    posted a message on The problem with murloc stats
    Quote from PlaZz1 >>

    As you said it your late game wasnt complete while dragons was and still i imagine it was pretty close fight if you had divine shields they stand no chance only with ghoul. As you said final forms of compositions are kinda rare ok. But that applies for every comp if you take dragons you need 2 kalecgoses to be able to keep up with scaling and then nadina so total of 3 specific six drops and then you can get wreck by murlocs who get bran + 1 megasaur and little luck. And every other comp is the same.

     Full Dragons vs Full Murlocs, Dragons still win as long as they find Ghoul. It pops the bubbles on Murlocs, while Dragons gain theirs afterwards. So I still consider it a direct counter, but as I mentioned - Dragons as a whole are bad, so it's probably not the best choice.

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    posted a message on I Am Disappointed in the Hearthpwn Community

    Arbitrary can be used to describe a statement which forces personal opinion upon others. So the statement IS arbitrary.

    And as I said, I obviously know the statement is his opinion. The problem which you want to ignore so badly is that he uses his personal view to disregard others' opinions.

    If you actually read everything carefully, you would notice that his rant (at least the part I quoted) isn't "I think the game is fun". It is "the game is fun to me and people keep whining, because they disagree with me". So he is whining about people whining due to having a different view than he does.

    Also if you read his original post, which was heavily downvoted, you would see that it was rude, much worse than this rant. Clearly the dude disregards everyone, who dares to have a different opinion and calls every form of discussion presenting a different view "whining". Yeah, totally not arbitrary. 

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    posted a message on The problem with murloc stats
    Quote from PlaZz1 >>

    There is only 1 issue with murlocs. There is no other composition who stand a chance against fully developed murloc comp. The game needs every comp to be able to at least compete in late game with them, thats also why everybody forcing murlocs now.

     I got second yesterday vs Dragons with Divine Shields. Granted I didn't have Divine Shields myself, but I had really huge murlocs and poison on 6 of them. Even the Ghoul wouldn't help me, because it would just be killed by the dragon, which grants shields, and they would gain them afterwards.

    I appreciate I would still beat them should I have Divine Shields myself, but 100% composition with poison AND Divine Shields on everything is rarer than people think. I had what you pretty much expect from the late game murlocs and got pretty hard countered.

    The problem is Dragons suck though.

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    posted a message on I Am Disappointed in the Hearthpwn Community
    Quote from Wiggy_HS >>
    Quote from Geoff >>
    Quote from icy133_ >>
     
     
    However, ever since Raz Rumble it has been consistent and very helpful. The meta has seemed fun and  more engaging and less boring than in the past thanks to Blizzard’s thankless efforts.
     
     
     
     

     Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Such arbitrary statement? Yes, this is not the best community. Many members of it are plain idiots. And people do like to complain about everything. But to say that "the meta is fun and more engaging" is just... no. You realize that "fun" and "engagement" are subjective terms? And if people talk about the game being not fun, it's not because they like to waste time on pointless babble, but, just maybe, they don't find it actually fun?

    o.O

    So you missed the part where he wrote it seems fun, even though it's included in the quote you replied to? Or did you just ignore it, since that would invalidate your entire point towards OP?

    I also think you need to look up the word "arbitrary".

     How exactly it invalidates? The entire point is that to the OP the meta is more fun and engaging. Basically seems plays a role of "in my opinion" in this case. So the statement is arbitrary, because the bottom line of the OP is "people shouldn't complain, because in my personal opinion the meta is fun".

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    posted a message on Game Crashes

    First idea would be that you don't have visual assets downloaded. Considering it seems to crash only against Paladins, maybe they use a portrait, which your client cannot identify.

    Just a random thought, maybe completely unrelated.

    I would start with trying to update the assets and/or re-instaling the game.

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    posted a message on I Am Disappointed in the Hearthpwn Community
    Quote from icy133_ >>
     
     
    However, ever since Raz Rumble it has been consistent and very helpful. The meta has seemed fun and  more engaging and less boring than in the past thanks to Blizzard’s thankless efforts.
     
     
     
     

     Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Such arbitrary statement? Yes, this is not the best community. Many members of it are plain idiots. And people do like to complain about everything. But to say that "the meta is fun and more engaging" is just... no. You realize that "fun" and "engagement" are subjective terms? And if people talk about the game being not fun, it's not because they like to waste time on pointless babble, but, just maybe, they don't find it actually fun?

    o.O

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    posted a message on So wanna talk bout the new "leaked" Battlepass for HS ?
    Quote from P4dge >>
    Quote from JoshoPrime >>
    Quote from ChrisRex >>

    And, you think the Blizzard execs spend their days trolling Hearthpwn to see what FTP players think? I haven't seen a single suggestion of what someone who cares should do... Literally 95% of posts are entitled whining about what they deserve, and a few concerned paying players.

    That's what pisses me off. I'm all for constructive conversations about the future of things. This is far from that. This is spoiled children doing nothing beyond throwing tantrums.

     i already said it many times, this battlepass wouldn't be a problem with just a single change, NOT REPLACE THE DAILY QUESTS, i wont offer a complex solution, when its an obvious simple one, do you want to  remove 10 gold every 3 victories, ok i take it, but something that a lot of games with battlepass games have in common, is that those let you progres if you dont pay the battlepass, sure the bp has great rewards, but those are an ADITION, not a SUBSTITUTE to the normal game economy. and i can tell you that fet playing a lot of free to play games with battlepass and finally buying the Avatar battle pass on smite myself after a while playing because the game never denied me the option of getting content by completing free quests every week and i was already enjoing it. 

     But you're getting mad about something that isn't even confirmed or official. It was a survey which many companies will do to gauge feedback. You and others like you are completely over reacting and showing that you don't even bother reading information before forming an opinion which is just ridiculous. 

     They already have a plan, including concretes. You think someone came up with this on a whim? Gaming community has seen a lot of backlashes provoked by introducing predatory mechanics. Discussion now can save a backlash later. 

    It's like with politics - you do not protest, when the new law is already in place, right? You show your dissatisfaction, when they WANT TO implement it.

    Also as I and many others said, there is always a point in discussion. What you call whining, I call sharing thoughts. And it has exactly the same purpose as the survey - players express their opinion on the potential changes. If you call every discussion a whining, then I am really sorry for you, because you have to find many discussions "pointless". 

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    posted a message on So wanna talk bout the new "leaked" Battlepass for HS ?
    Quote from Lanko >>
     

     They are literally asking "hey, would you mind if we screwed up a huge chunk of the playerbase" and you say that there is no point in discussion, because they didn't yet... Jesus.

    Also let me tell you one thing - there is ALWAYS a point in a discussion. Even if there was no leak and this discussion was just a theory-oh, it would still be good, because it would be a discussion. By default it has both educational and entertainment purposes. If you don't want to participate - just don't do it.

     You really didn't read and understand what I posted.

    It's literally addressed to the fools in this thread saying "It's just a survey", "more F2P whining", "no point in discussing something now because it's not even out".

    Imagine waiting until this shit is just right out of the gates to start discussing and saying how we don't approve it. Even if we followed the advice of these fools asking for that, they would just come with "Experiment 3,9k over 4 months first before saying how bad it is!"

     You didn't read mine, mate. I quoted you to agree with you.

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    posted a message on So wanna talk bout the new "leaked" Battlepass for HS ?
    Quote from P4dge >>

    This thread seems to be a massive mess of assumptions and misinformation. Instead of just read the headline and then joining the crowd in complaining, try actually reading and digesting all the information. 

    This isn't a leaked pass, it was a survey gauging consumer opinion/experience. There are likely a lot of different ones, some will include concepts that never go any further, others will chnage dramatically based on consumer feedback.

    Literally tons of companies do this sort of thing. Stop freaking out about your gold, at least until anything official is communicated. They will more than likely take a concept, like a battle pass type idea and then gauge opinion on many different versions of that concept ranging from more consumer friendly options to more profit focused models. They will gather all sorts of information like reception to it, if people would be willing to pay based on that model etc etc. 

    They absolutely need something more rewarding than the current system and they are far better engaging with their player base as part of that process than they are simply making one and dumping it. 

     This dude explained it very well, so I am not gonna even bother with anything more:

    Quote from Lanko >>

     

    About people complaining about other people complaining... in another thread there's a very good answer to why you should. Basically:

    I get why you have it - you don't want to flip out about something that hasn't happened yet - but it's the wrong attitude. Your focus is on the wrong thing and it will cost you. You don't want to react to this after it's a reality. Trust me. You need to react now, and react harshly.

    Do you know why they're asking about this Battle Pass system? Because it's something they're clearly eyeing if not something they're already implementing. They're asking about it because they want to do it or are already doing. If this idea isn't squashed in its infancy, it will grow into something capable of dealing major damage. Possibly irreversible damage.

    Don't wait until it's a disaster. Do something now.

    To put that into an analogy, imagine your partner came to you one night and said, "You know, I've been thinking about cheating on you. How do you think you'd react to that?" If you started to get upset, that would be an understandable reaction. If the response to you being upset was, "I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like they cheated on you yet. They were just asking about it, geez," I doubt that would do much to calm you down. You don't want to react after the problem exists. You want to stop it from happening.

    Again, the reason the question is being asked is because they are already thinking about massively slashing F2P rewards and they want to see how much they can get away with. The earlier and more viciously you fight against the idea, the better for everyone. Saying that this is just about getting feedback missed the mark out how downright dangerous this is to even be thinking about as far as we're concerned.

    "Sure, but maybe they'll tweak the numbers", you think, "Maybe they scrap the system altogether". Maybe they will. But remember: they were thinking about whether players would tolerate a HUGE reduction in the F2P economy. They're trying to figure out how much they can get away with. They are thinking about whether they can do so and make you pay extra for the privilege of getting fucked with a special Battle Pass.

    Say no now. Say no hard. Say no often. 

     They are literally asking "hey, would you mind if we screwed up a huge chunk of the playerbase" and you say that there is no point in discussion, because they didn't yet... Jesus.

    Also let me tell you one thing - there is ALWAYS a point in a discussion. Even if there was no leak and this discussion was just a theory-oh, it would still be good, because it would be a discussion. By default it has both educational and entertainment purposes. If you don't want to participate - just don't do it.

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    posted a message on So wanna talk bout the new "leaked" Battlepass for HS ?

    [PERSONAL OPINION ALERT]

    It would make me drop HS completely. I am 26, I have a girlfriend, I have job, I like to read and watch films, I also go to the gym every other day and in "season" almost every day. I also have other activities. Quests system was convenient for me - log once every 3 days, do the quests. Play some real games, when you have time. It simply worked this way, I enjoyed playing from time to time, quests weren't a pain and I even managed to climb regularly on the ladder.

    With this model it all disappears. Ii will be either playing much more or accepting the fate of being behind. So no, I am not gonna be a part of the game, which forces me to drop my life to have any enjoyment from it.

    And i am surely not the only one.

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    posted a message on Blizzard's current design philosophy
    Quote from OoZuNoO >>
    Quote from OoZuNoO >>

     

    When they try to make balanced sets, shit like TgT, Rastakhans Crap happens! Which do you prefer? 

     That's because the previous sets weren't balanced. TgT was alright, I really liked  Nexus-Champion Saraad. The problem was we didn't have many resource generation cards, discovery wasn't invented back then and becuase of that, control vs control matchups were about who gets to fatigue first loses. But let's not forget TgT introduced Secret pally, a deck which even bots could reach legend with.

    And Rastakhan would have been nice too if it weren't for Baku/Genn and DKs. Not to mention druid's iron shell.

     You just proved my point.. those expansions failed cuz their power level were not nearly as high as the other ones, so their impact on the meta was lower and the game felt more stale.

    Broken sets are good for the game. They make people buy more pre-orders, they shake up the meta harder, the following nerfs make the game feel fresh for longer periods of time. It was only bad before cuz Team 5 took too long to nerf what had to be nerfed, glad that is not the case anymore.

     Read what he wrote more carefully. Both sets literally broke the meta - TGT by introducing one of the most dominant decks of all time, Rastakhan, by introducing Even/Odd mechanic, which is still a huge part of Wild meta. The sets were powerful and flipped meta upside down, in their own fashion. The problem is previously they were introducing a few strong cards to create new decks and shake the meta and the rest was crap. Yes, maybe it was a flaw, but worked - metas weren't stale. Now instead of creating new archetypes they just boosted overall power level to ridiculous levels, at which point the relevant archetypes more or less are still on the ladder, just with more broken tools to play with. 

    Tempo DH is still a Tempo DH, HL Hunter is still HL Hunter, Gala Rogue, Priest and Lock are still Gala Rogue, Priest and Lock, Spell Druid still remains, Warrior is also more or less the same playstyle, just got new broken tools.

    Yeah, feels so fresh.

    Also previously they had an obvious candidates for nerfs and nerfing them usually accomplished the goal. Now let's see what happened, when they introduced 10+ busted cards in one set (DH) - multiple rounds of nerfs of multiple cards. Legit.

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    posted a message on Early Thoughts
    Quote from Robin18 >>
    Quote from Vladpetresq >>
    Quote from Robin18 >>

    Druid will get 100% get nerfed. Overgrowth breath of dreams or lighting bloom are getting nerfed.

    Like the deck is very highrolly but when it highrolls there is litterly nothing the opponent can do.

    Hunter: probaly will still be tier 1 like always

    Rogue: Might be tier 1 or high tier 2

    DH: might be tier 1 or high tier 2

    Paladin: pure paladin seems strong we need to wait how strong it will be.

    Warlock: Zoo seems strong it will probaly be tier 2

    Mage: idk

    Priest: priest is still annoying to face

     what about Warrior???

     O yeah I forgot about warrior.

    Looking at how strong the class was before the expansions and what they got in this expansion I wont be suprised warrior will still be tier 1 or high tier 2

     Did you notice that on your list almost everything is either tier 1 or tier 2? :D

    This is not how tiers work, my friend, no matter how strong you believe certain decks are - you can't split entire meta into just two tiers. If you think everything is busted... oh well, one busted thing is always more busted and this is how tiers are created.

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    posted a message on Blizzard's current design philosophy

    It's not an approach to printing cards, what has changed (at least not directly) - it was approach to nerfs. At the very beginning they were very cautious with nerfs, they wanted to introduce as few of them and as rarely as possible. This was stated by Blizzard multiple times. They didn't want to nerf cards.

    But this has changed and as time progresses Blizzard has less and less issues nerfing bunch of cards in a short amount of time. This clearly has something to do with the personal changes in the team, but the bottom line is Blizzard used to want to avoid nerfing anything at all costs, while now they don't care. And if they don't care about how many cards they would nerf, why would they care about some things being too good upon release?

    One more thing Blizzard surely noticed is that strong (broken) cards sell the product. AoO is a clear example on how to do it - release broken shit, let people spend money, nerf the aforementioned shit to keep the complaining playerbase in the game. This is an obvious business model, present not only in HS, but in many other card games. If anything I am surprised they started REALLY using it only realitevly recently. But I guess it has something to do with Blizzard's "ideals'" downfall over the years.

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    posted a message on Battlegrounds would be more fun with a chat room

     Also there simply would be no time. Maybe in early turns... But the more the game progresses, the less time you have to do everything and I can't imagine having time to chat. Unless during battles, at which point, yes, it would be only cancer.

    One thing to consider is that this mode is heavily luck based. I have no issue with this, but more luck involved = more likely people are to butthurt.

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    posted a message on What are your SA Meta Predictions?

    People who claim multiple busted decks, don't know a thing about how metas work. There will be no 9 busted decks. There is ALWAYS tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3. 2-3 decks are always better than the rest.

    Now the thing is the set looks super powerful, but it's just in comparison to what we have now. It's a power creep at its finest, but just because so many theory decks look stronger than the current top tiers, doesn't mean we will have an abundance of strong decks on the same level.

    No, we will have 2-3 top tiers and then the rest. So listing 7 decks without splitting them into tiers, like some people do here, really means nothing. It only shows that you actually CANNOT predict, what will be good.

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