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7 mana for 3 AoE isn't great but the summoning part is interesting. It's hard to say how good this is until we can play with it. I don't think this will be enough to push a Control DH though.

It's okay. Good for those stealth synergy cards but the deathrattle isn't going to be all that great without further support. At least, she isn't a RNG Yeti this time.

The main problem with Murlocs in my opinion is how one dimensional they are. They have only one build and they either win hard or get completely destroyed. It's frustrating to lose to exact same build again and again. It's also frustrating trying to make them work and not getting any of the needed pieces. It would be nice if they had a different build path like tokens or something else.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles, The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth (with all DLCs), Tales of the Abyss and Grim Dawn. I also like Castlevania: Symphony of the Night but i just finished Ori and the Will of the Wisps and it's absolutely fantastic. It's flawless in almost every way possible and a better mix between platforming, action and the exploration aspects of a Metroidvania.

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They need to remove Megasaur and add Scalelord instead. 

 That's a terrible idea imo. Megasaur provides a bunch of random options for adaptation and that makes it inconsistent for finding Divine Shield. They get it frequently because of Brann. Without Brann it becomes pretty difficult to get Poison and Divine Shied. Shield is the strongest option always and adding Scalelord is going to make Divine Shield Murlocs extremely consistent. With big stats (through Brann) and consistent shields even Poison is going to become irrelevant. Just removing Poison from Megasaur is enough. The poison should only be obtained manually through Toxfin.

Well... These are some huge nerfs... I wasn't expecting such big changes. Now i can no longer say that nothing will change. Things are going to change. Drastically. My thoughts:

DQ Alex wasn't the most consistent card to mount a comeback. She could highroll sometimes and save you (or win instantly) but she wasn't really a reliable way of turning the tides in your favor. Now she is really bad for this. Basically, she is a win more card now. You can't afford to play her when you are behind and hope for a miracle anymore. Also, she is one turn slower. That means she is only playable in the greediest, slowest and mostly defensive highlander decks. HL Hunter will most likely cut her.

Dragoncaster is a fair nerf. Mages can't get away with Puzzle Boxes all the time. It also slows down some of their power plays like Power of Creation though. This may be a big blow to HL Mage. Also, DQ Alex...

Corsair Cache is interesting because it keeps its role as a value generator (you still get more lackeys and bombs from your weapons) but it doesn't promote heavy aggression anymore. It's also weaker for board control. I'm fine with that.

I wasn't expecting another change to Spell Druid. The deck is extremely highrolly and it depends a lot on ramp to get going. Fungal Fortunes is one of their biggest RNG cards. I have seem it discarding minions very often. Now they draw a little more slowly (while still having to deal with the potential discards) which makes them more susceptible to aggro.

The change to Galakrond, the Nightmare is perfectly fair. People keeps talking about how they run these low cost cards and how they can low roll on their draws. However, you were still drawing 4 cards for 0 mana and getting a 5/2 weapon alongside. That's good draw and damage. And when it draws stuff like Flik Skyshiv, Edwin VanCleef, Heistbaron Togwaggle and Kronx Dragonhoof then it becomes ridiculous. This change will stop Rogues from instantly running away with the game with highrolls. They still have access to infinite value and resource generation. Also, Backstab and Shadowstep are anti synergistic with it now.

And DH gets nerfed again. And probably will survive again. These changes are much more relevant than the "nerf" to Twin Slice. Warglaives of Azzinoth is one of their strongest cards and slowing it down will make them have a harder time controlling the board. The change to Kayn Sunfury is irrelevant as it is mostly used to finish the game. Tempo Kayn is usually pretty bad. This nerf is similar to the one suffered by Glaivebound Adept. Pretty meaningless. And their burst and finishing potential are going to become slightly weaker with the change to Metamorphosis. Overall, this will certainly impact the class. Odd DH in wild is going to suffer a lot more than Tempo DH in standard but both are going to feel these changes. Tempo DH will still find a way to recover though. I'm certain of it.

There's no point in complaining about the state of the meta at this point. Even if they drop a patch, it's very likely that things won't change as people are just not interested in trying new things anymore. They will always go back to the same highly effective decks that can be easily adjusted after any changes. If you are tired and bored then take a break. That's what i'm doing right now. I don't like this meta either and i have fully abandoned Standard since i'm so sick of Hunter and DH. Worst meta ever? No. Least fun i had with this game in years? Certainly. Since i'm not having fun with the game, i'm just playing other (better) games until next expansion. 

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Apparently Iksar AKA Dean Ayala, has confirmed on a Japanese interview that we will have a last balance patch before the next expansion comes out. In kinda hard to read because it is Japanese (https://beerbrick.com/2020/07/03/news-20200703/)  but it talks about cards that reduce cost of other cards to zero are being a little problematic (the skull, dragon caster, Rogue´s galakrond , etc), about the randomness issue that cards like yogg saron puzzle box brings to pro play and zeph and alex who likely will get changed if they continue to be dominate post next expansion. 

 Finally, What do you think? what do you think could get changed next patch?

 Personally thinking that warrior will get nerfed, i don't know how but is so strong that a nerf to some cards like skipper or battle rage is inevitable, for DH i still think Skull its too god for its cost so is likely that they change it and lastly i would personally like more buffs there a lot of shaman and especially paladin cards form last year that feel either to weak or directly "pack filler"

 

 They can nerf Risky Skipper but they shouldn't. That's the most important card for Warrior in standard at the moment. Too many of their other cards are enabled by this one pirate. If they nerf it then Warrior will crash, burn and crumble to ashes since it relies so much on this card. And then DH (who managed to shrug off the last nerf) will just dominate completely because Warrior is the only class that challenges it. 

The main issue is Sorcerer's Apprentice. The cost reduction just allows them to play way too many spells for free. The result of this is some extremely powerful Flamewaker and Mana Cyclone turns which leads to more 0-cost spells which allows them to complete the quest very easily. If the effect of Apprentice is changed to prevent spells from costing less than 1 then it will stop them completely. It will probably kill every single combo mage though. Not that i care.

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Too much randomness always suck. Why do you even give weakness to a class, if randomness can fix it? For example Rogue is pretty good at removing single targets, but he can't deal with wide boards, so it's not bad idea to go wide, instead of playing single threat each turn, right? Well, not anymore, since he can answer with randomly generated Twisting Nether, Plague of Death or Brawl...

It's especially annoying and frustrating, when your class can't do the same thing and is rather predictable, so your enemy can play around anything you have (if he only knows the matchup), while you have to rely on luck and can't really think ahead.

Except you just made this scenario up because ethereal lackey can only discover class cards. Brawl and Twisting Nether can be offered by Zephrys if Highlander but Plague of Death is not a thing for rogue. If there’s some way for rogue to actually access it, it involves ridiculous sequencing like cobalt spellkin from draconic lackey into pilfer into plague of death. it just doesn’t happen.

Also every salty soul in here seems to remember only the times where wand/galakrond draws were the absolute nuts and they got steamrolled and not a single game were the draws from a fully invoked Galakrond were Pharaoh Cat, Praise Galakrond, Backstab and Shadowstep and they got the win. It happens far more often than you’d think.

If your class feels boring and predictable, switch decks. There are plenty of decks out there that can do some really nutty sequencing.

Questlock can have a 0 mana draw every turn and blow you out of the game cheating out far bigger threats than rogue (malygos, dqa) whilst zoo can just kill you by turn 5 if they hit imp and your hand is slow.

Druid can kill you by turn 4.

Priest does stuff that is far more ******** than what rogue will ever be able to do.

Too much randomness doesn’t suck, people that can’t deal with it do. If your opponent hasn’t used his Zephrys yes you should play around it and each of its possible outcomes. The same goes with Dragonqueen. 

If Galakrond is about to come down you have to accept the fact you may have your board completely flipped by them drawing into faceless/flik/kronx or all three of them because it happens far less than you think. Just look at rogue decklist and work out if there’s more chance of them drawing and discounting their 6+ cards or the other way around.

 

 

 

 

 You totally forgot about Hench-Clan Burglar. That's probably what he's talking about. It doesn't see play in any common decks atm but it does allow Rogue to discover literally ANY spell in the game. I have been screwed by that card quite a few times because it's simply impossible to play around any of its outcomes.

If you think the problem with Genn/Baku was they forced a deck to be built around a gimmick... yikes.

The problem with Genn/Baku was that the kind of hero-power focused gameplay they encouraged was boring and repetitive.  The odd/even restriction was good, actually.  There were a tonne of cards which came out of the woodwork and saw play for the first time in essentially ever.  Raid Leader?  Seriously?  That's great!  What wasn't great was Button.  Button.  Button.  Button.  Button.  This made all the games against odd Paladin, odd Warrior, and so forth feel the same.  All they do is make dudes and that's enough.  All they do is gain armor, and that's enough.  The contents of the deck becomes irrelevant, and all that matters is that hero power, and that's bad.

Highlander restrictions don't do that.  The consistency of the decks go down, the contents of the decks vary more with a lot more room for tech choices, and games *don't* all feel the same.  It's pretty much the exact opposite of how Genn/Baku played out.  Zephrys being a swiss-army-knife to do anything you need does restore *some* consistency, but he's one card out of 30.

So what? Long games is where the true deckbuilding strategy shines, value generation,fetching for resources, mirror matches for the complete experience. I'd rather play 2 of those games than 10 tasteless  3 minute ones.

If you complain about long games, go play blackjack.

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Priest mains just wait for these threads to pop up I swear. But for real what’s the point of 30 minute games.. no fun 

 What's the point of playing the game if all you want is for it to be over as fast as possible? Aggro is what destroys card games, not control. 

So one of the main complaints (that i think is totally justified) regarding the current meta and the recent evolution of hearthstone is the overwhelming importance of random discover effects.

I just had this simple idea : what if discover were just visible by both players ? i.e. you would know exactly what your opponent have discovered (which is also nice flavor as a discovery is something public)  I imagine it would remove quite a bit of the randomness and uncertainty when you're in a late game and your opponent is just holding a full hand of random discovered dragons and spells, and therefore would make the game more strategic.  It doesn't solve the problem of the overall value of these discovers, but it would be quite an improvement i guess. It's kind of a balance between full clown fiesta (blizzard's choice) and a more controlled game (experienced player's choice)

What do you guys think ?

(Sorry for my english, not my maternal language)

I am absolutely fine with RNG being a part of this game. I think it's actually crucial to its success.

That said, I think that the current state of the game's RNG is above where it should ideally be. I think Dragonqueen Alexstraza is the biggest culprit (due in large part to being neutral), but she's certainly not alone.

There is a whole lot of "created by" happening in multiple classes right now, the critical mass of which is making too many games (IMO) feel lost or won because of factors outside of anyone's control.

For example, the word "scam" and it's equivalents have been more frequently used by GM casters now than ever before. "Scam Mage" is literally an archetype.

Again, RNG is fine. RNG is good. But I think the frequency and power swings of the RNG right now is likely too high.

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Call me what you will but runeterra is way better than this nonsense right now. 

 That's fine, go and play it. I see people sitting on this board and all they talk about is games better than this one. Yet they still frequent the forums and complain about the game they continue to play, despite not liking it or preferring another card game.

I could understand if this was the only card game available and you felt compelled to continue playing because of a lack of alternatives but you all consistently say that a very similar style game is better, so why are you here?

When I think a game is unfun or unfair or whatever, if I just don't get much enjoyment from it then I stop playing it, let alone carry on playing and then go to a site dedicated to that specific game to complain about it. You're clearly desperate for validation and if you complain enough, you'll find people who agree with you and that clearly gives you some sort of gratification.

Its weird. You're like the people who sit in FIFA forums and constantly complain that the game is awful and that PES is better and yet month after month you continue coming back, making the same threads, on the same game dedicated sites.

I could understand if this was a general card game site, like out if cards. It isn't an official Blizzard site, you know this ain't feedback which may affect change.

If you like Rune more, play Rune, there's no problem there at all but just do it. Just had a quick look on a forum for Rune, out of interest, and on the very first page there are complaints that the boards are dead, that X needs nerfing and that the community is toxic. Why not go and join them? 

Why so the store being closed bothering you so much? Why is that the thing that's annoying you about a game you don't enjoy? Surely you have no need for the store anyway if you're playing a better game instead? You have enough for 14 packs, how does not being able to buy 14 packs in a game you don't like and prefer a very similar style game make you feel aggrieved? 

The gold issue is clearly a bug if everything is as you say, you could just submit a ticket and I'm sure it would be sorted. That would probably have taken a similar amount of time as coming here, logging in and creating a thread complaining about it.

I've never had answers to any of the questions above from any people doing what you're doing. Am I missing something? If I'm seeing it completely wrong then I'm open to someone changing my mind.

Control warrior has been really fun but I can't really make any work at the moment. The loss of Dr Boom was huge and there's nothing that replaces him. Also, Warpath rotating out was a hard hit, along with the mechs. It now feels like it just doesn't quite do enough of anything to be consistently good.

Priest is ok but as was said above, it's a bit boring. The copy mechanic is good fun but far less consistent because it relies pretty heavily on pulling good cards with things like thought steal.

Handlock is alright but will depend on having certain cards. It's got plenty of clears and healing but can hit fatigue fairly early.

It's not a particularly control friendly meta at the moment. I personally prefer control to aggro but am finding mid range/tempo style decks a fair ish compromise at the moment.

I don't have anything against aggro or those who play it, it's just that it feels too much like 'draw the right cards and likely win or don't draw correctly and most likely lose' which doesn't do it for me to be honest.

They seem to be setting some classes up for future control decks though. Warlock, Warrior and DH all have promising pieces, they just need a little support which could well be the idea of the next expansion. They seem to like to swing it so one archetype doesn't consistently dominate the meta over a year or so. We're just currently in a more aggressive, fast paced meta which could well change with the introduction of a few control tools in other classes.

Thanks for all the. I decided to craft... Murozona and Reno. Thanks again! Cheers!

I'm not even sure if this is allowed... It's originally from the Destiny Reddit 3.5 months ago, and more recently became a top post in the Hearthstone Reddit... It's hilarious how you can change a few nouns and it becomes Hearthstone... I'm sure lots of you have read it (heh), but I'm sure just as many haven't.

ORIGINALLY BY: Pwadigy On Reddit (Jan/20)

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