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So I've been working on this deck for months. I'm really dedicated to this deck. It's served me well overall. With limited deck slots, I find myself deleting and recreating it as weeks go by.

Once again, I can't get anywhere in Hearthstone. (Or any other competitive game. Which is why I'm getting my FOID card next month.) So, I made the deck once again. This time with cards from the latest adventure. I gain 2 ranks very quickly. Everything is great.

Then I face a counter. Then again. Then again. Then again. Eventually it's 5 losses in a row, and there was no way to prevent it. I continued to lose until I lost all of my progress.

Isn't it supposed to be easier to ladder as the month goes on? I'm rank 18, and it looks like I'm staying here for the rest of my life. (However much time I have left.)

How can people say this is easy? All I can do is fail! I've been playing since release! God hates me. That's gotta be it. There's no rational explanation. No change I can make. Nothing within my power. God exists, and he hates me, and there's really no choice to anything we do. God decided my life should be an inescapable hell. There's nothing I can do. Just gotta sit here until I can work up the courage to end it. I'll never be anything. I'll never be good. I'll be alone forever. There's no escape. There's only one way out.

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Quote from wg15 >>

 Welcome to the Hearthstone community, where everything that beat you is cancer or hard counter or luck or RNG but NEVER your mistakes and missing skills because Hearthstone is only RNG!

 Hearthstone is MOSTLY a random game, with some 2nd grade Math involved, and basic logic. 

You have 30 cards in your deck. You can draw 4 random ones, or 3 random ones, from those 30 - and the 3 or 4 choice is made at random. After that, if you don't like them, you can change them with other 3 or 4 random ones.  Every turn, you draw one card at random, from the other 25 cards in your deck. Some of these cards happen to have random outcomes. So you receiving a hard counter or not such a hard counter from the 20 cards left is a random fact.

The above stated is a fact, not an opinion. We all play the game, and if you don't believe me, please start Hearthstone and try choosing the cards you get before the first draft, then try choosing the card you're gonna get before you get it. See how well that works for you :) .
This is one common reason why handlock is played by the top/better players, you have a wider choice of cards in your hand and you can dictate how you wish to play, instead of pretty much following whatever your hand allows you to.

If the game gave you a lot more choices, less random content, it could possibly be skill based. At the moment however, it is not - and it will never be ( they would simply lose players, it would not be for everyone ) . You usually play the cards because they are in your hand and they fit to the curve. You rarely actually have many choices.

That's why there's such a wide audience in hearthstone, and every one of us (this includes the world champion, which changes at every competition depending on luck) has been shamelessly owned by a 11 year old simply because he had luck. If hearthstone was made for highly intelligent players and for skill, a LOT of audience would be lost.

1. You completely missed the point of this thread. This isn't a place for you to bash people. This is a place for people to complain. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other threads.
2. All cards drawn are random? Sure they are. That's why around half of the time I pull a card that can immediately be played on-curve. Oh wait. That would imply rigging. Your brain can't handle that possibility.
3. No hard counters? Are you mad? (And by "mad" I mean "insane".) Want proof? Start a new account. Build a deck consisting primarily of 1 health minions. A zoo deck perhaps? I promise you (if you play enough games) that 30 - 50% of your matches will be against Mages with Arcane Explosion. Most Mages do not run that card. Yet, when you have a lot of 1-health minions... it'll seem like they populate a large portion of the game.
4. Someone discovered a way to break the Arena draft. I saw a Patron Warrior (pre-nerf) with EVERYTHING they needed for the deck... in ARENA. I've also seen face Hunters and Mech Mages. These decks have little or no difference to their constructed counter-parts. About 1 year ago, I averaged 5 - 7 wins in Arena. Today I average zero. So now I have to earn all my gold by grinding. It sucks. I love to draft decks... but in Hearthstone it's impossible to compete. I don't even try to go to Arena. I just waste 50 gold by doing so.
5. If it's all luck, and takes no brains... I should've reached Legend several times already. The fact that I've tried to do this, but have never gotten close, is evidence enough that it's not just luck. Unless I'm the unluckiest person alive.

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Hi guys, Ramsay Bolton fan number one here :P. Today I want to talk about something that really annoys me and worries at the same time. The new Tavern Brawl has been released (the cooperative one, against Gearmaster Mechazod) and I think it's completly amazing, probably the best Tavern Brawl ever. The problem is, there are a lot of people complaining because it's too dificult for them. Here is a very popular thread about it called "This Brawl is too difficult": http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/tavern-brawl/81049-this-brawl-is-too-difficult

The same happens with the game overall, it's challenging specially at good ranks and legend, but it seems that bad players that only complain about everything and don't like to improve don't like this style of game. And this is a very, very bad thing for all of us.

We know what happened recently with the game and with the introduction of Mysterious Challenger... we have a deck that has a very good win rate and is one of the easiest to pilot out there. The thing is, it seems that Blizzard take note of this behaviour (players wanting things to be easier) and then they implement them on the game, harming it's quality.

Hardcore players and good players are probably the ones that most of the time milk this company with it's money, support and fanbase since a lot of time ago. So, does Blizzard really needs to satisfy the needs of this bad and annoying players while compromising the quality of the game?.

What do you think about this? Should Blizzard stop listening to this kind of players? Do we really need them?

Last month I couldn't get past rank 15.

This month I can't get past rank 20.

Why am I no good at all? I'm so tired of losing 10 games in a row.

Why is everyone better than me?!?!!?!?! FUCK!

Tried for Legend in October.

Reached 15, but couldn't maintain it.

Ended the month at rank 18.

I played over 300 matches.

I am the worst Hearthstone player of all time.

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for the Experimenter, you have too much minions, you don't want one on them to turn into a chicken, i used one in my oil rogue, there were like 20 spells and only 10 minions, so the chance to ruin the drawn card is less likely.

And on some cards, i'm not sure, Geddon Sea Giant anti-synergy? no frostbolt/fireball at all...

First, a disclaimer: I'm trying to improve. Everything I state here is to improve. I'm not trying to argue. I'm not trying to troll or confront... or whatever else people seem to think. I'm sorry if anything I say appears offends you or is "wrong" in some way.

Experimenter isn't usable in many decks. I have ~45% spells. Still not enough spells? I felt there was a lot. There's only one Experimenter. It exists for card draw and body. The deck desperately needs both for survival. What should I substitute then?

Okay... Geddon and Sea Giant oppose themselves, in theory. The deck actually works well for both. It's rare to have both in-hand at the same time. (So, it's generally one or the other.) Also, if the enemy board is full... it is better to play Geddon in the late game than Sea Giant, if it can clear the board. The Sea Giant is only useful if it is drawn early, and I am overwhelmed. I suppose I could take a second Sea Giant instead. Do you have a suggestion?

No frostbolt. No fireball. Are these cards "just so OP" that they are staples? What exactly should I give up for those spells?

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What winrate precisely, against which decks ? And at what rank in Ranked Mode ?

I don't play this deck in ranked. (Although my rank is currently 18.) This deck get's 40-50% in casual. I cannot define the decks I have faced. Too many types. That information is far more finite than I am inclined to maintain a record thereof.

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You clearly just don't have the optimum decks. craft a legendary deck then you will be able to.

Mind explaining your clarity so that I might see through the fog?

I don't think I can deal with it any more.

• Can't rank-up on ladder.
• Huge losing streaks.
• Can't improve.
• Never been anywhere close to Legend.
• Tried my best.
• Playing since release.

I hate this. I think it's time to give up. I suck and nothing will change that. It doesn't matter how hard I try. I'm done...

There are 5 days left. I haven't reached Legend. This is the 10th month I've worked all month to rank-up, and I can't get anywhere. I'm currently at rank 17 with no hope of ever leaving.

I don't understand how anyone can reach Legend. I can't even leave the worst-of-the-worst ranks. How does anyone though? I can't do better than 40-50%. I play hundreds of games and get nowhere.

It's been like this since day 1. There is literally nothing I can do.

I could use some help with my Mage Secrets deck.

It functions far better than expected, but I can't improve the winrate.

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Why can't I enjoy Hearthstone? When I lose, I get super pissed.. when I win, I don't even enjoy it either.. Winning just makes me think " yeah fuck you, get shit on buddy ".

I'm not an angry person .. I have a good job, I go to the gym, I eat and live a healthy lifestyle, I have a good group of friends, etc... But for some reason, when I get on a competitive game like League or HS, I simply can't enjoy them. Win or lose, I feel too frustrated and angry.

 

You may want to look-up the term, "Hyper-Competitive". Here's Santoro's take on the "why" of competition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPVUZNTv_Zo People will try to tell you that you have a "bad attitude" or some nonsense. These people will never understand. Most of the people that say those things aren't legend-rank players. So their happy-go-lucky attitude should be dismissed. They aren't even interested in competing. They are mostly casual players that like to troll people having a hard time. These obtuse jerks don't understand something as simple as feeling disappointment over a loss.

I can't say too much about League, but with Hearthstone... there are many factors that contribute towards my frustration: (Perhaps you are similar?)

1. Randomness - There's no denying it or avoiding it. HS is full of random. A Druid will drop Dr. Boom on turn 2 using 2 x Innervate & Coin. A Hunter will topdeck UtH while you have a full-board giving them just enough for lethal. These events aren't rare. They are common. Anything completely outside of your control is frustrating. Having it happen almost every match? That's infuriating. Even if it's in your favor. You aren't in control. Losing a game because you made a mistake is a learning experience. Losing a game because something random happened is annoying.
2. One-on-One - It's Thunderdome up in here. "Two men enter! One man leaves!" You win or you lose. There is no gray area. You are responsible for the result of every match. However, thanks to randomness, it isn't always your fault. There is also the issue of matchmaking. Sometimes the other player is simply more skilled. Despite all this, you must still take on the responsibility. This is naturally frustrating.
3. Improving - It's nearly impossible to discern why you lost. Did you get outplayed? Is your deck bad? Did you make a misplay? Poor matchmaking? Random circumstance? There's no way to know for sure. If you analysis is wrong, you will be playing even worse during subsequent matches. Of course you are going to be frustrated. Why wouldn't you be? If you work on a deck for days only to hit a 7-game-losing-streak... that's not fun.
4. Matchmaking/Ladder - If you are playing on the ladder, the MM is a big problem. HS uses a Elo-like system for matching players for games. In short, this means you are going to lose some matches no matter what you do. You will continuously face better and better players. You won't be able to beat all of them. This is frustrating. Eventually you'll reach a point at which you can no longer advance. If you get stuck at rank 20, that's not fun. That's not enjoyable. It is very frustrating and depressing though.
5. Outside Help - Another problem is coaching. Some people are playing the game with a friend. They might be standing next to them, or just spectating. Two heads are certainly better than one. Even worse for you though. Your opponent might be the same rank, but their friend might be Legend-rank. If so, you are doomed. You get stomped by perfect plays, but as far as you can tell... this guy is at the same skill level. That's depressing. Sometimes you go up against a streamer. In this case, they can (essentially) crowd-source the correct play.

Unless you are in the small minority of highly-skilled, talented, god-like players... it's going to be a frustrating experience. You shouldn't be surprised. Your feelings aren't wrong. They are, however, misplaced. You have to accept the things you can't change, and work hard on the ones you can. Then eventually rage-quit the game because nothing you do matters.

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Quote from StCecil >>

You need both skill and time.

But skill is more important.

Too little of either or and you prolly won't hit Legend.

No, it isnt.  Even the top players KNOW that there is a huge amount of luck and RNG involved.  The whole point of having to play a zillion games to hit legend proves this fact. Otherwise, the top guys would have like 95/5 win ratios.  Time trumps "skill" in this game.  Everyone playing the same decks and the same cards.  The skill ceiling is kept low on purpose by HS. 

Luck & RNG are certainly factors. As well as time. However, you are fooling yourself if you think that time beats skill. I'm telling you. It doesn't. I'm telling you this not because I'm "salty" or whatever. I'm telling you this because it has been my experience with Hearthstone for a LONG time.

I am loath to admit having no skill at this game. However, it has nothing to do with time and effort. I've covered that thoroughly. If it isn't skill (or lack thereof) which keeps me at (or below) RANK 15, then what does? ...because it isn't time.

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We should rejoice though.  No need to overthink this or be concerned as to how good you are.  Just keep playing a LOT and use any of the good decks out there and you'll rank right up.  Otherwise, just fuck around and have some fun.  Sweet!  

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Yes people with over 50% win rate or whatever can reach legend if they play enough games.

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ofc its only a matter of time thats nothing new. Playing cancer at rank 5 is a bit harder but with enough patience u will make it.

Quote from Thalrick >>

With cancer decks, you can hit legend with 51% winrate and just by spamming games.

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Quote from xavielson >>

Still, pros are able to get legend in less then 24h gametime, with limited card pool. Thats less then 1h a day to get legend in a month, im sure u can do the same. ;)

Almost all of us have got to legend at least several time with aggro before, but after the first time, it isn't as accomplishing, is it really worth your time just to hit Legend every season with aggro? I did mention on my past post that, that the best players who do play Aggro to hit legend first. Although I rather hit Legend at end of every season and play the Tempo swing deck I enjoy. Or build something random, that I won't be sure to get legend with and try my best doing it.

No.

I'm living proof that it isn't possible. My decks have a higher than 50% winrate. For 2 weeks I've been playing Hearthstone for MANY hours nearly every day. I cannot get past rank 15. I play good decks. I play aggro. Doesn't matter. Can't advance. I rarely identify any misplays. No matter what I do, I hit a losing streak every time I get to rank 15. Change hero? Tried it. Change deck? Tried it. Tweak deck? Tried it.

For some people it will never matter how much time you put in. I'm not new to Hearthstone. I've been playing it for almost 2 years. I can honestly say that time simply will not make you better. It isn't fair, but that's the way it is.

I am the worst competitive gamer of all time.

You may be thinking, "No way. I really suck an-" No. You are wrong. Dead wrong.

I've played almost 200 ranked matches this month. If I was good at Hearthstone (or anything) I would be closing in on Legend ranks. However, it's me, and I suck at everything. So I can't advance on the ladder. Instead, I'm trapped at ranks 18 - 15. I go up to 15, then hit a losing streak down to 18. Then I go back up again. Over and over. All ****ing month.

You may be thinking, "Well, don't get so worked up buddy! You'll learn eventually an-" No. You are still wrong.

I've been playing since open beta. That's 2 years. Two years of losing and failure. Here are the results of my last 10 arena runs:

• Mage 0-3
• Mage 2-3
• Paladin 1-3
• Warlock 0-3
• Mage 1-3
• Warrior 1-3
• Shaman 1-3
• Mage 2-3
• Warlock 0-3
• Hunter 0-3

Notice a pattern? Yeah, I can't play Arena... at all. In all of 2015, my best 2 runs have been 4 and 6 wins. Pathetic. I stopped going to arena. It's just a waste of gold for mediocre players like me. Winning is impossible there. EVERY DECK is a constructed deck. I don't know how they do it, but they construct those decks specifically. There is nothing random about them. I fought a patron warrior with everything they needed. EVERYTHING! IN ARENA!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 Arena is so ****ing broken.

Ladder is Hell on Earth. 12.5% of the time, I face a unwinnable match. 12.5% of the time, I get a match I can't lose. Nothing I can do in this game during on quarter of all matches. So stupid. The game? No me. For playing it. I've gotta be an idiot for playing this rigged ****-pile. I just wanted to reach Legend. Just once. Just so I could say I did. That will never happen. Even with a 55% winrate, it's impossible. Just yo-yoing all ****ing day... every day... all month long... ****!