Any replacement for Whizzbang?
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Lilt posted a message on Incoming Battlecry metaPosted in: General DiscussionTrust me, I know what I'm talking about - in your particular example, it's caused by an oddity with the order of effects; deathrattle occurs before a minion is destroyed, not after.
What is happening there is as you describe; that the Kodo's battlecry triggers the deathrattle, causing Mirror Entity to come into play, the Mad Scientist is then removed, triggering the secret.
Thinking of it as phases is incorrect, each play does not resolve using phases, Hearthstone resolves plays using a stack, as do many physical card games like MtG ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_(abstract_data_type) ) - when you understand this, a whole lot of the weird stuff will start to make much more sense ;)
In the case of this new example:
1. Harrison pushes (adds) one 'Harrison Battlecry event' to the stack.
2. Brann will then push a 'Brann Ability event' onto the stack.
3. As there are no more pending events, 'Brann Ability event' is popped (removed and resolved) from the top of the stack. This ability copies the 'Harrison Battlecry event and pushes the copy onto the stack.
4. The copy of the 'Harrison Battlecry event' is popped and resolved - a 'Draw X cards event' is pushed onto the stack, followed by a 'Destroy Enemy Weapon event'.
5. The 'Destroy Weapon event' is popped - note that in the case of a weapon like Death's Bite, this would push a deathrattle event, which in turn when popped could activate minions and push even more events onto the stack. This could kill something like Tirion and give your opponent a new weapon (but this situation would currently be incredibly rare given these are Warrior and Paladin class cards respectively).
6. The 'Draw X cards event' is popped, drawing you the cards equal to the value of the weapons durability.
7. The original 'Harrison Battlecry event' is now popped and resolved. Since the enemy no longer has a weapon, it fizzles and does nothing - however, if in step 5, the player *did* receive a new weapon by doing something like killing Tirion, then once again a 'Draw X cards' event is added to the stack, followed by a 'Destroy Enemy Weapon event' - then they are popped in the same order, once again also potentially causing more things to activate and get pushed onto the stack.
Understanding these interactions will go a long way to helping you understand the effects card combinations will produce.Ok, thank you very much for the nice explanation! Playing MtG for ages, I'm familiar with the stack concept and can follow your detailled analysis of Bran Bronzebeard + Harrison Jones. I was never sure if Hearthstone uses the same/similar stack mechanic. There are some points which often confuse me. F.e. minions being targetable inbetween being played and entering the battlefield due to battlecry effect or deathrattle healing minions which are already on 0 health ...Do you know a comprehensive rulebook or something similar. The advanced rulebook here on hearthpwn isn't very clear arranged.But I really look forward to play Bran Bronzebeard + Harrison Jones to destroy a deathbite, which destroys my opponents Tirion Fordring and the second battlecry of Harrison destroys Ashbringer [/card]. It could be possible if my opponent is a priest and I'm a Paladin and one of us played [card]Blingtron 3000 ... indeed a rare scenario I suppose ;)I haven't seen a rulebook and haven't actually looked at the one on here either to be honest.
Regarding battlecry and deathrattle - battlecry is triggered before the minion enters the board and deathrattle is triggered before the minion is removed from play. A battlecry minion that has not resolved it's battlecry cannot be affected by other triggered effects as a result as it has not yet entered play, a deathrattle minion can theoretically be affected by ongoing event activations whilst the deathrattle is resolving because it hasn't yet left play (the reality is, I believe, that no card or combination allows this to actually happen, but if Frothing Berserker had a deathrattle, it would continue to gain attack before the deathrattle is played out) - note that because it's health is already zero it won't be a valid target for damage dealing effects or healing effects that choose a target (even if it is random) - board wide AoE effects will still work.
The battlecry example is best seen by playing Dr. Boom into a board where you already have one minion and your opponent has Sacred Trial in play; since Dr Boom's battlecry spawns the bots before he enters play, Dr Boom is the fourth minion and is destroyed accordingly.As for healing, I'm unsure of the reference for the question, off the top of my head I cannot think of any healing effects that should be able to prevent the death of a minion (and I suspect this is a deliberate design decision). The example that would get funky would be something like a deathrattle that heals your board, because it could theoretically heal another minion whose deathrattle instigated the death of the healer minion.Advanced rulebook is your friend.1. Hearthstone doesn't use stacks, much to the chagrin of many people.3. Battlecry happens after minion is summoned.
ex) Using Ironbeak Owl's Battlecry to silence Starving Buzzard draws you a card first, then silences it. -
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TSMS posted a message on Mine Cart Boss GuidePosted in: Guides-
There are no differences with the fight from Normal to Heroic.
In heroic it doesn't spawn debris.
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frzhrt834 posted a message on Heroic Mine ShaftPosted in: General DiscussionFinally I have beaten it at heroic! And you know what's the best? NO 6/6 appeared in the entire game!
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Crawford881 posted a message on Heroic Mine ShaftPosted in: General DiscussionIt's very RNG. Don't use Barrel Forward until it's there are 2 turns left, and then use it to finish. You do not need to get 2 Boom! on the same turn. I beat it without that happening.
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Cardstone posted a message on Heroic Mine ShaftPosted in: General DiscussionBasically you need to use 2 Boom! in the same turn to clear the board.Use draw to get them, and the rest of the stuff to stall.I needed to try for 1 hour to get the 2 Boom! cards and that gave me victory.
But at the end of the day is a horrible designed encounter filled with RNG.Why can't mulligan on this?
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tvJefe posted a message on Incoming Battlecry metaPosted in: General DiscussionWill Injured Blademaster just kill himself? LOL!
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nicolaskunz posted a message on DeathattlePosted in: Deathattleplayed 2 days with this; Really fun to play, but really inconsistent.
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Arsonist posted a message on Sir Finley MrrggltonPosted in: Sir Finley Mrrggltonthere is no poisoned blade rogue :(
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zoidberg posted a message on Sir Finley MrrggltonPosted in: Sir Finley MrrggltonPoisoned Blade rogue will love this. I got a pre-release sense of it when a rogue used Burgle and picked up Shadowform.
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Launched Innkeeper and it auto-updated to the 0.4.23 version and is now working in Hearthstone
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Except that your scenario requires both cards in your hand by turn 3 while the camel only requires itself (and arguably 1 cost minion still in deck)
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Came to give my +1 and props to author. I don't have a lot of time to play (barely enough to get daily quests done), and this one got me 3 wins 1 loss (lost tempo because I drew both Injured Kvaldir). The 3 wins were surrenders because they knew so clearly that they were done.
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Mulligan (concede and restart) to get
Strategy
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Ok - finally got it. Very RNG but have to make smart trades.
Mulligan (concede and restart) to get
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Let me know if this helps!
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Neptulon nerf? Murloc class buff? Not sure of either... Might be better as a 0 cost "summon two 0/1 murloc tinyfin"
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Discover also helps new players who don't have every card in their library. And scarab helps them curve as well.
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... and draw a card? ... and summon a random mech? Seems a little too underwhelming
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Enrage backfire? And is he smoking a cigar?? nvm he ate someone.