Hi everyone, I've been playing hearthstone for about 3 weeks now, and I'm still very much enjoying it.
I've been trying to climb the ladder, and I'm stuck somewhere between rank 20 and 15. I'm still learning but I noticed that whenever I'm in a good spot, I tend to lose to situations like "Ragnaros killing my face when I have a full board", or "my opponent goes on a discover spree and gets the perfect "created by" card", .... It's very fustrating to lose like that because there is literally nothing I can do about the situation. Is there any way to handle the tilt or avoid these kind of situations? Personally I don't like the play into the RNG because my outcome is usually bad, but it seems luck is really important in this game. But maybe that is just my confirmation bias.
On a side note, I opened around 70 packs so far, and I received 8 legendaries (which I assume is above average), but missing a lot of "staple cards", and most classic packs I buy now offer 40 dust because of duplicates, over any of the cards I'm missing. I don't have a lot of dust to craft any meta deck, and getting duplicates don't help furthering that cause. I used to play battlegrounds instead to get some gold by winning, but I don't even get top 4 anymore at this point.
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I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
People do get mad if their opponent gets an rng lethal, but the thing is, rng lethals happen to everyone, so you probably at the moment rag hits your face for lethal remember the moment when the same thing happened to your opponent and you sometimes can’t help but to smile :)
It's not just Ragnaros, like this game I had 2 minutes ago: opponent has 4 Murlocs (among which 2 Warleaders) on board, all with 1 health and no cards in hand. I'm at 8 mana so I can play Consecration and Bone Wraith and secure my win from there. But then the opponent topdecks Fishflinger and gets Coldlight Seer. This puts all the Murlocs out of range of Consecration and Bone Wraith isn't enough to prevent lethal the following turn.
Also my last 5 games was against some form of Murloc deck and I didn't draw Hungry Crab at all, in the first 20 cards. Not to be salty or something but it seems this game is won a lot due to drawing a certain counter card, or getting some RNG to pull you out of unwinable situations. It's hard to maintain a strategy when luck is such an important factor.
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I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
It's a card game so by definition it's a luck-based game. In poker if you draw pocket aces every hand you have a high chance of winning and it's the same with this game picking the right cards at the right time.
The skill is navigating through dozens of games to get to a high rank which definitely takes some skill and knowledge of the game.
You're a new player and so it's possible you just had a streak of bad luck, but over the course of thousands of matches you'll play if you stick to this game, rng will balance out. You'll be extremely lucky sometimes, and unlucky at other times, but most of the time luck is just average.
If you're too upset by loosing to rng, maybe a card game isn't for you. Try chess or something.
When you lose 2-3 games and start getting aggravated just stop for a while. If you start tilting and going in that way it’ll seem like the RNG keeps getting worse or that was me when I started until I began quitting when I was raging
You're a new player and so it's possible you just had a streak of bad luck, but over the course of thousands of matches you'll play if you stick to this game, rng will balance out. You'll be extremely lucky sometimes, and unlucky at other times, but most of the time luck is just average.
If you're too upset by loosing to rng, maybe a card game isn't for you. Try chess or something.
I play YuGiOh and Pokemon TCG competitively as well, where there isn't as much "randomness". It's fun and all, but I can image that if a 300k game is lost due to RNG it must be really frustrating.
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I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
It’s no coincidence that we see the same names on arena leaderboards every month. Rng May be the difference between a few rankings, but if you’re good you will do well.
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Take a look at my most recent deck, Watch post, totem, menagerie shaman.
It is a factor but the skill of the game comes from your ability to minimize it. Now what most people say is true that you only really notice the bad swings over the good ones. If you really wanna find out, do what I did and stream/record 1,000 games and keep a count of all RNG instances and their percentages of hitting. I have done this kind of this for nearly every Blizzard game I have played and consistently came up with around a 48 to 52 (rounded up) win rate for RNG. So even at the worse of times, it is still a close 50/50. I suggest you watch other Hearthstone streamers as well as the Lightforge on youtube. Knowledge of the cards and their inter workings with each other is key to being a better player.
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"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer."
Luck is part of fun. It is a double edge sword. If the luck is on your side, you will have fun. If it is on your opponent's side, you will be mad. So, calm down yourself and move on to next game.
Luck is part of fun. It is a double edge sword. If the luck is on your side, you will have fun. If it is on your opponent's side, you will be mad. So, calm down yourself and move on to next game.
With all do respect but "fun because of luck" should not define a game that is an official e-sport that has prizepools of hundreds of thousands. I'm sure if you grind enough you will eventually qualify for Worlds. People there all have the same skill. Why don't they just flip a coin, winner gets half a million -_-
The game is about minimizing RNG. The only way to minimize it is to play ALOT or games. Want to get to legend. Play a lot of games. Want to hit the arena leaderboard play a lot of arena. Once you can pilot your deck or draft competently it’s just a grind. A lot of us hit legend once and say never again lol. The skill cap in this game is low, once you get there you now just have to outgrind the game,
The game is about minimizing RNG. The only way to minimize it is to play ALOT or games. Want to get to legend. Play a lot of games. Want to hit the arena leaderboard play a lot of arena. Once you can pilot your deck or draft competently it’s just a grind. A lot of us hit legend once and say never again lol. The skill cap in this game is low, once you get there you now just have to outgrind the game,
That's the point. I would love to play against strong players, they give me a chance to improve my own plays. I don't mind losing those games, because I got outplayed and I respect that. But what I don't like is being forced into situations where whatever I do has no impact on the game. I can't learn from that, my opponent didn't outplay me and I didn't "enjoy" myself.
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I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
Luck is important, but it all evens out in the end. You are no less likely to get good outcomes than your opponents, and part of the skill in the game is deciding when you need to go for that random outcome over playing it safe. The top players often put themselves in positions where they can get lucky: setting things up for the perfect top deck or the good random outcome to happen and win the game.
Good players beat new players the vast majority of time. That's skill, not luck. After three weeks, you can still improve immensely. A top-100 player, however, beats a top-1000 player only by a small margin. That's because while they can find some edges, it gets more difficult as the opponents get better too, and there is always an element of randomness in the game.
I understand that minimizing the offset of RNG is one of the "skill elements" in this game, but what is the point? I can tactically go through my turns, planning every step, and my opponent can just YOLO and win anyway. If the way you play doesn't matter, how does either player learn anything from those games? Sure it evens out over hundreds of games, but then it still doesn't feel good. It seems that having some sort of way to handle tilt is a lot more useful then actually learning small detail plays. I'm only playing for 3 weeks, but during the HGG for example I see players make all sorts of small mistakes (most commonly: the placement of Faceless Lackey) without any punish. As a perfectionist I like to play in the most optimized way possible, but it feels that those details are overshadowed by every "discover", "random", "x% chance to", ...- type of card.
Anyway, today I was indeed bullied a lot less by luck, and I managed to climb from rank 19 to 14 and it felt a lot more "fun" to me. Again, I don't mind losing if I get outplayed or anything, so this isn't a "salt thread", but the randomness of Hearthstone takes a lot of the competitive entertainment out of it for me.
I always like to gamble in this game and I enjoy it a lot. you should do the same too because 99% of the time the risky play is more rewarding than the safe play. just accept that HS is luck based. now there decks that are less rng so play those if u dont like the rng.
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Hi everyone, I've been playing hearthstone for about 3 weeks now, and I'm still very much enjoying it.
I've been trying to climb the ladder, and I'm stuck somewhere between rank 20 and 15. I'm still learning but I noticed that whenever I'm in a good spot, I tend to lose to situations like "Ragnaros killing my face when I have a full board", or "my opponent goes on a discover spree and gets the perfect "created by" card", .... It's very fustrating to lose like that because there is literally nothing I can do about the situation. Is there any way to handle the tilt or avoid these kind of situations? Personally I don't like the play into the RNG because my outcome is usually bad, but it seems luck is really important in this game. But maybe that is just my confirmation bias.
On a side note, I opened around 70 packs so far, and I received 8 legendaries (which I assume is above average), but missing a lot of "staple cards", and most classic packs I buy now offer 40 dust because of duplicates, over any of the cards I'm missing. I don't have a lot of dust to craft any meta deck, and getting duplicates don't help furthering that cause. I used to play battlegrounds instead to get some gold by winning, but I don't even get top 4 anymore at this point.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
People do get mad if their opponent gets an rng lethal, but the thing is, rng lethals happen to everyone, so you probably at the moment rag hits your face for lethal remember the moment when the same thing happened to your opponent and you sometimes can’t help but to smile :)
It's not just Ragnaros, like this game I had 2 minutes ago: opponent has 4 Murlocs (among which 2 Warleaders) on board, all with 1 health and no cards in hand. I'm at 8 mana so I can play Consecration and Bone Wraith and secure my win from there. But then the opponent topdecks Fishflinger and gets Coldlight Seer. This puts all the Murlocs out of range of Consecration and Bone Wraith isn't enough to prevent lethal the following turn.
Also my last 5 games was against some form of Murloc deck and I didn't draw Hungry Crab at all, in the first 20 cards. Not to be salty or something but it seems this game is won a lot due to drawing a certain counter card, or getting some RNG to pull you out of unwinable situations. It's hard to maintain a strategy when luck is such an important factor.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
It's a card game so by definition it's a luck-based game. In poker if you draw pocket aces every hand you have a high chance of winning and it's the same with this game picking the right cards at the right time.
The skill is navigating through dozens of games to get to a high rank which definitely takes some skill and knowledge of the game.
You're a new player and so it's possible you just had a streak of bad luck, but over the course of thousands of matches you'll play if you stick to this game, rng will balance out. You'll be extremely lucky sometimes, and unlucky at other times, but most of the time luck is just average.
If you're too upset by loosing to rng, maybe a card game isn't for you. Try chess or something.
It is not so much people will say to you.
Only 90% of the times will be the decisive factor.
When you lose 2-3 games and start getting aggravated just stop for a while. If you start tilting and going in that way it’ll seem like the RNG keeps getting worse or that was me when I started until I began quitting when I was raging
I play YuGiOh and Pokemon TCG competitively as well, where there isn't as much "randomness". It's fun and all, but I can image that if a 300k game is lost due to RNG it must be really frustrating.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
It’s no coincidence that we see the same names on arena leaderboards every month. Rng May be the difference between a few rankings, but if you’re good you will do well.
Take a look at my most recent deck, Watch post, totem, menagerie shaman.
It is a factor but the skill of the game comes from your ability to minimize it. Now what most people say is true that you only really notice the bad swings over the good ones. If you really wanna find out, do what I did and stream/record 1,000 games and keep a count of all RNG instances and their percentages of hitting. I have done this kind of this for nearly every Blizzard game I have played and consistently came up with around a 48 to 52 (rounded up) win rate for RNG. So even at the worse of times, it is still a close 50/50. I suggest you watch other Hearthstone streamers as well as the Lightforge on youtube. Knowledge of the cards and their inter workings with each other is key to being a better player.
"When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer."
Luck is part of fun. It is a double edge sword. If the luck is on your side, you will have fun. If it is on your opponent's side, you will be mad. So, calm down yourself and move on to next game.
With all do respect but "fun because of luck" should not define a game that is an official e-sport that has prizepools of hundreds of thousands. I'm sure if you grind enough you will eventually qualify for Worlds. People there all have the same skill. Why don't they just flip a coin, winner gets half a million -_-
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
The bad luck is queuing into bad matchups after bad matchups.
Other than that, HS is pretty fun
The game is about minimizing RNG. The only way to minimize it is to play ALOT or games. Want to get to legend. Play a lot of games. Want to hit the arena leaderboard play a lot of arena. Once you can pilot your deck or draft competently it’s just a grind. A lot of us hit legend once and say never again lol. The skill cap in this game is low, once you get there you now just have to outgrind the game,
Because they do not wanna flip the coin. And since they are giving their money away, it is their call.
That's the point. I would love to play against strong players, they give me a chance to improve my own plays. I don't mind losing those games, because I got outplayed and I respect that. But what I don't like is being forced into situations where whatever I do has no impact on the game. I can't learn from that, my opponent didn't outplay me and I didn't "enjoy" myself.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
Luck is important, but it all evens out in the end. You are no less likely to get good outcomes than your opponents, and part of the skill in the game is deciding when you need to go for that random outcome over playing it safe. The top players often put themselves in positions where they can get lucky: setting things up for the perfect top deck or the good random outcome to happen and win the game.
Good players beat new players the vast majority of time. That's skill, not luck. After three weeks, you can still improve immensely. A top-100 player, however, beats a top-1000 player only by a small margin. That's because while they can find some edges, it gets more difficult as the opponents get better too, and there is always an element of randomness in the game.
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I understand that minimizing the offset of RNG is one of the "skill elements" in this game, but what is the point? I can tactically go through my turns, planning every step, and my opponent can just YOLO and win anyway. If the way you play doesn't matter, how does either player learn anything from those games? Sure it evens out over hundreds of games, but then it still doesn't feel good. It seems that having some sort of way to handle tilt is a lot more useful then actually learning small detail plays. I'm only playing for 3 weeks, but during the HGG for example I see players make all sorts of small mistakes (most commonly: the placement of Faceless Lackey) without any punish. As a perfectionist I like to play in the most optimized way possible, but it feels that those details are overshadowed by every "discover", "random", "x% chance to", ...- type of card.
Anyway, today I was indeed bullied a lot less by luck, and I managed to climb from rank 19 to 14 and it felt a lot more "fun" to me. Again, I don't mind losing if I get outplayed or anything, so this isn't a "salt thread", but the randomness of Hearthstone takes a lot of the competitive entertainment out of it for me.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
To some degree the higher up you climb the less RNG you will encounter as well
I always like to gamble in this game and I enjoy it a lot. you should do the same too because 99% of the time the risky play is more rewarding than the safe play. just accept that HS is luck based. now there decks that are less rng so play those if u dont like the rng.