Hi everyone, I've been playing hearthstone for about 3 weeks now, and I'm still very much enjoying it.
I've been trying to climb the ladder, and I'm stuck somewhere between rank 20 and 15. I'm still learning but I noticed that whenever I'm in a good spot, I tend to lose to situations like "Ragnaros killing my face when I have a full board", or "my opponent goes on a discover spree and gets the perfect "created by" card", .... It's very fustrating to lose like that because there is literally nothing I can do about the situation. Is there any way to handle the tilt or avoid these kind of situations? Personally I don't like the play into the RNG because my outcome is usually bad, but it seems luck is really important in this game. But maybe that is just my confirmation bias.
On a side note, I opened around 70 packs so far, and I received 8 legendaries (which I assume is above average), but missing a lot of "staple cards", and most classic packs I buy now offer 40 dust because of duplicates, over any of the cards I'm missing. I don't have a lot of dust to craft any meta deck, and getting duplicates don't help furthering that cause. I used to play battlegrounds instead to get some gold by winning, but I don't even get top 4 anymore at this point.
It is definitely confirmation bias.
If you've only opened 70 packs, you probably don't have nearly enough good cards to be competitive on ladder. And even though you've played other card games, it's unlikely you've developed the specific skills needed to succeed at Hearthstone in just 3 weeks.
Look at it this way: If every game depended completely on RNG, you'd have a win rate of exactly 50 percent. If you are losing more than that, RNG is clearly not the problem.
As a new player, you should be focusing on daily quests and play in Casual, not Ranked. You simply don't have the resources to compete in Ranked until you've played in Casual for at least a year, or you spend some money on a lot of packs.
(Note that in Casual, the matchmaking algorithm will ensure that your win rate is very close to 50 percent most of the time. This is not because the game is determined by RNG, but because the system is matching you against people of your approximate skill level.)
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Well I had a 89% winrate climbing from rank 50 to 20. And I'm now sitting at rank 12 already (trying to get to 10 before the end of the month). I indeed crafted a cheap deck with the cards I was given (free Paladin Quest so went with that), which I'll list below, but I think it's solid. I have no interest in playing casual as there is nothing to gain. Also my mmr is low so I face the same people I faced in the climb from rank 50 to 25 (players with Chillwind Yeti and Boulderfist Ogre etc), and to be honest (not trying to sound cruel) those players are bad. I don't learn anything if my mistakes don't get punished. And that's also the overal problem. I don't mind losing to beter players, they were beter and beat me, I learned from my mistakes and will not make them again. But so far the majority of loses I had were completely out of my control. And it seems that many of my opponent play into the RNG aspect (like instead of killing my Sylvanas on an empty board, they play minions and then kill her, giving me obviously the worst one (in this case the opponent played Faceless Lackey and got a Murloc, I steal the Murloc and the opponent plays the Hungry Crab they got from Blazing Invocation turn 1)). They think they made an amazing play but from a strategic standpoint it wasn't. I lose and get slightly salty and the opponent did not learn from his mistakes, the game was a waste of time for both us.
Well I had a 89% winrate climbing from rank 50 to 20. And I'm now sitting at rank 12 already (trying to get to 10 before the end of the month). I indeed crafted a cheap deck with the cards I was given (free Paladin Quest so went with that), which I'll list below, but I think it's solid. I have no interest in playing casual as there is nothing to gain. Also my mmr is low so I face the same people I faced in the climb from rank 50 to 25 (players with Chillwind Yeti and Boulderfist Ogre etc), and to be honest (not trying to sound cruel) those players are bad. I don't learn anything if my mistakes don't get punished. And that's also the overal problem. I don't mind losing to beter players, they were beter and beat me, I learned from my mistakes and will not make them again. But so far the majority of loses I had were completely out of my control. And it seems that many of my opponent play into the RNG aspect (like instead of killing my Sylvanas on an empty board, they play minions and then kill her, giving me obviously the worst one (in this case the opponent played Faceless Lackey and got a Murloc, I steal the Murloc and the opponent plays the Hungry Crab they got from Blazing Invocation turn 1)). They think they made an amazing play but from a strategic standpoint it wasn't. I lose and get slightly salty and the opponent did not learn from his mistakes, the game was a waste of time for both us.
And what's your point? Are you trying to convince us of something or what? Sorry, but if you don't like how much luck is involved into this game, just don't play it, it's as simple as that. Most of us learned to accept luck is a very important factor in Hearthstone a long time ago, because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter, it's just a game, and not a way to prove how much of a badass you are. ;)
The game is about deck choice and win rates. Win rates reflect RNG over time.
Success comes primarily from choosing the right deck for the meta, and secondarily from knowing how to make the correct decisions during mulligan and game.
If you keep getting beaten by Murloc Shaman, that is probably because your deck has a low win rate versus Murloc Shaman. The supposedly terrible RNG just reflects the fact that you didn't have a very good chance to win in the first place.
Well I had a 89% winrate climbing from rank 50 to 20. And I'm now sitting at rank 12 already (trying to get to 10 before the end of the month). I indeed crafted a cheap deck with the cards I was given (free Paladin Quest so went with that), which I'll list below, but I think it's solid. I have no interest in playing casual as there is nothing to gain. Also my mmr is low so I face the same people I faced in the climb from rank 50 to 25 (players with Chillwind Yeti and Boulderfist Ogre etc), and to be honest (not trying to sound cruel) those players are bad. I don't learn anything if my mistakes don't get punished. And that's also the overal problem. I don't mind losing to beter players, they were beter and beat me, I learned from my mistakes and will not make them again. But so far the majority of loses I had were completely out of my control. And it seems that many of my opponent play into the RNG aspect (like instead of killing my Sylvanas on an empty board, they play minions and then kill her, giving me obviously the worst one (in this case the opponent played Faceless Lackey and got a Murloc, I steal the Murloc and the opponent plays the Hungry Crab they got from Blazing Invocation turn 1)). They think they made an amazing play but from a strategic standpoint it wasn't. I lose and get slightly salty and the opponent did not learn from his mistakes, the game was a waste of time for both us.
Friend, if you think Quest Paladin (and your version in particular) is going to get you past Rank 15, you are definitely not losing because of RNG. That is simply not a competitive deck.
Trust me, you do have a lot to learn about Hearthstone. You just don't know what you don't know, so you can't see your own mistakes.
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I might be playing for less then a month (due to old pc viability before) but I've been watching streamers and Youtube for almost a year. People get Legend with all sort of meme decks all the time, so the deck isn't the problem for now. You see "higher tier decks" like Evolve Shaman, Quest Druid, OTK Paladin, Combo Priest and Highlander Hunter in the lower tiers too, and they are beatable. I know those player don't have optimized play, and games will get tougher the higher in ranks you get, but I feel comfortable with this deck and it wins me games, so why change it now? No the deck isn't my issue, it's the fact that luck is a deciding factor in a lot of games, when it actually shouldn't be for this to be a viable competitive game. Not talking about topdecks but more about "random", "50% chance" etc type of cards. Fun too look at perhaps, but not fun while playing.
As someone mentioned, luck can vary from day to day, so whenever I'm having a bad day, I just won't play. Isn't that actually a sad philosophy? Also the word you're looking for is the Dunning-Kruger effect, which might be there for sure, and I like to learn and get better. But don't you patronize me lol
The worse a player is, the greater roll he'll claim luck plays in the game.
This is simple not true. Are you saying the Grand Masters, who are all equal in skill, do not have a lot of their games decided by RNG? If anything I think worse players embrace the RNG aspect more, rather then carefully playing around it.
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I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
Everyone who is good at this game gets Legend rank. The rest, including me, are scrubs. Those who spend a lot of money on cards and still can't get legend are stupid scrubs -- again, like me. My only advice is to not sink a lot of money into this game. I certainly regret it.
The worse a player is, the greater roll he'll claim luck plays in the game.
This is simple not true. Are you saying the Grand Masters, who are all equal in skill, do not have a lot of their games decided by RNG? If anything I think worse players embrace the RNG aspect more, rather then carefully playing around it.
The Grandmasters do not blame luck when they make mistakes. That is the difference.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Also the word you're looking for is the Dunning-Kruger effect, which might be there for sure, and I like to learn and get better.
No, I wasn't looking for that term, because I don't assume anyone on this forum would be familiar with it. In fact, it makes sense that someone who seems to be under its influence would not be aware of such jargon.
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"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
The worse a player is, the greater roll he'll claim luck plays in the game.
This is simple not true. Are you saying the Grand Masters, who are all equal in skill, do not have a lot of their games decided by RNG? If anything I think worse players embrace the RNG aspect more, rather then carefully playing around it.
The Grandmasters do not blame luck when they make mistakes. That is the difference.
But they still lose because of it right? And they still get salty right? My point exactly
I know you are (not very subtly) trying to call me a noob, and that I blame my losses on bad luck rather then on my lack of skill. That's not the point of this thread, luck shouldn't be some game winning thing that decides who wins 300K in a tournament, skill should.
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I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
But they still lose because of it right? And they still get salty right? My point exactly
I know you are (not very subtly) trying to call me a noob, and that I blame my losses on bad luck rather then on my lack of skill. That's not the point of this thread, luck shouldn't be some game winning thing that decides who wins 300K in a tournament, skill should.
No one is calling you a noob. He's expanding upon my point. I didn't say that luck doesn't play a role. I said the worse a player is, the more he blames bad luck.
And if you don't want luck to play a role in your gaming, don't play card games. Or Autobattlers. Or most video games, really.
Most of the time coin flip decides who wins. If you have bad draw, you can do nothing about it, just concede and go next. If you are on losing streak take a break. You are still a newbie. Watch proplayers and how are they playing. Play at least once in 3 days to get daily quest. Build your collection. To get every single card you will need (after the new expansion hits) over 1,000,000 dust. If you want to buy packs for real money wait for discounts. And the most importanly
Because there are many people with your mindset, here's a screenshot with the highest rank I've got (in order to be taken seriously) and I am telling you HS has a huge ammount of rng maybe not 80% but still A LOT. Normally, with a rank like this, you'd think I am a much better player than legend rank 1000 for example. That's just not the case in Hearthstone. It probably means I've played more, had better rng overall and maaaaybe I am slightly better in some details or understanding of the specific meta.
The worse a player is, the greater roll he'll claim luck plays in the game.
This is simple not true. Are you saying the Grand Masters, who are all equal in skill, do not have a lot of their games decided by RNG? If anything I think worse players embrace the RNG aspect more, rather then carefully playing around it.
The Grandmasters do not blame luck when they make mistakes. That is the difference.
Why would pros that are actively making money from blizzard come out and disrespect the game like that? This will hurt their image to both blizzard and their fans. With that being said, there were still some, ballsy enough like Lifecoach, Reynad and Savjz to do so. They had a shitload of money though and probably didn't care.
You can't play baseball without the ball
Luck is about 80% of HS matches.
It is definitely confirmation bias.
If you've only opened 70 packs, you probably don't have nearly enough good cards to be competitive on ladder. And even though you've played other card games, it's unlikely you've developed the specific skills needed to succeed at Hearthstone in just 3 weeks.
Look at it this way: If every game depended completely on RNG, you'd have a win rate of exactly 50 percent. If you are losing more than that, RNG is clearly not the problem.
As a new player, you should be focusing on daily quests and play in Casual, not Ranked. You simply don't have the resources to compete in Ranked until you've played in Casual for at least a year, or you spend some money on a lot of packs.
(Note that in Casual, the matchmaking algorithm will ensure that your win rate is very close to 50 percent most of the time. This is not because the game is determined by RNG, but because the system is matching you against people of your approximate skill level.)
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Well I had a 89% winrate climbing from rank 50 to 20. And I'm now sitting at rank 12 already (trying to get to 10 before the end of the month). I indeed crafted a cheap deck with the cards I was given (free Paladin Quest so went with that), which I'll list below, but I think it's solid. I have no interest in playing casual as there is nothing to gain. Also my mmr is low so I face the same people I faced in the climb from rank 50 to 25 (players with Chillwind Yeti and Boulderfist Ogre etc), and to be honest (not trying to sound cruel) those players are bad. I don't learn anything if my mistakes don't get punished. And that's also the overal problem. I don't mind losing to beter players, they were beter and beat me, I learned from my mistakes and will not make them again. But so far the majority of loses I had were completely out of my control. And it seems that many of my opponent play into the RNG aspect (like instead of killing my Sylvanas on an empty board, they play minions and then kill her, giving me obviously the worst one (in this case the opponent played Faceless Lackey and got a Murloc, I steal the Murloc and the opponent plays the Hungry Crab they got from Blazing Invocation turn 1)). They think they made an amazing play but from a strategic standpoint it wasn't. I lose and get slightly salty and the opponent did not learn from his mistakes, the game was a waste of time for both us.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
The worse a player is, the greater role he'll claim luck plays in the game.
And what's your point? Are you trying to convince us of something or what? Sorry, but if you don't like how much luck is involved into this game, just don't play it, it's as simple as that. Most of us learned to accept luck is a very important factor in Hearthstone a long time ago, because at the end of the day it really doesn't matter, it's just a game, and not a way to prove how much of a badass you are. ;)
10% luck, 45% knowledge about own deck / 45% knowledge about enemys possible cards which will be played in next 2-3 turns
Sure, if you are clueless rank 20-15 noob
The game is about deck choice and win rates. Win rates reflect RNG over time.
Success comes primarily from choosing the right deck for the meta, and secondarily from knowing how to make the correct decisions during mulligan and game.
If you keep getting beaten by Murloc Shaman, that is probably because your deck has a low win rate versus Murloc Shaman. The supposedly terrible RNG just reflects the fact that you didn't have a very good chance to win in the first place.
The same bunch of people end up qualifying for the big tournaments over and over again. Sure luck is a Thing, but your choices matter more
Friend, if you think Quest Paladin (and your version in particular) is going to get you past Rank 15, you are definitely not losing because of RNG. That is simply not a competitive deck.
Trust me, you do have a lot to learn about Hearthstone. You just don't know what you don't know, so you can't see your own mistakes.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I might be playing for less then a month (due to old pc viability before) but I've been watching streamers and Youtube for almost a year. People get Legend with all sort of meme decks all the time, so the deck isn't the problem for now. You see "higher tier decks" like Evolve Shaman, Quest Druid, OTK Paladin, Combo Priest and Highlander Hunter in the lower tiers too, and they are beatable. I know those player don't have optimized play, and games will get tougher the higher in ranks you get, but I feel comfortable with this deck and it wins me games, so why change it now? No the deck isn't my issue, it's the fact that luck is a deciding factor in a lot of games, when it actually shouldn't be for this to be a viable competitive game. Not talking about topdecks but more about "random", "50% chance" etc type of cards. Fun too look at perhaps, but not fun while playing.
As someone mentioned, luck can vary from day to day, so whenever I'm having a bad day, I just won't play. Isn't that actually a sad philosophy? Also the word you're looking for is the Dunning-Kruger effect, which might be there for sure, and I like to learn and get better. But don't you patronize me lol
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
This is simple not true. Are you saying the Grand Masters, who are all equal in skill, do not have a lot of their games decided by RNG? If anything I think worse players embrace the RNG aspect more, rather then carefully playing around it.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
Everyone who is good at this game gets Legend rank. The rest, including me, are scrubs. Those who spend a lot of money on cards and still can't get legend are stupid scrubs -- again, like me. My only advice is to not sink a lot of money into this game. I certainly regret it.
The Grandmasters do not blame luck when they make mistakes. That is the difference.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
No, I wasn't looking for that term, because I don't assume anyone on this forum would be familiar with it. In fact, it makes sense that someone who seems to be under its influence would not be aware of such jargon.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
But they still lose because of it right? And they still get salty right? My point exactly
I know you are (not very subtly) trying to call me a noob, and that I blame my losses on bad luck rather then on my lack of skill. That's not the point of this thread, luck shouldn't be some game winning thing that decides who wins 300K in a tournament, skill should.
I found my remedy at last, and now my guiding star is shining; and when my present becomes my past, I realise, that every cloud has a silver lining!
No one is calling you a noob. He's expanding upon my point. I didn't say that luck doesn't play a role. I said the worse a player is, the more he blames bad luck.
And if you don't want luck to play a role in your gaming, don't play card games. Or Autobattlers. Or most video games, really.
Most of the time coin flip decides who wins. If you have bad draw, you can do nothing about it, just concede and go next. If you are on losing streak take a break. You are still a newbie. Watch proplayers and how are they playing. Play at least once in 3 days to get daily quest. Build your collection. To get every single card you will need (after the new expansion hits) over 1,000,000 dust. If you want to buy packs for real money wait for discounts. And the most importanly
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
Because there are many people with your mindset, here's a screenshot with the highest rank I've got (in order to be taken seriously) and I am telling you HS has a huge ammount of rng maybe not 80% but still A LOT. Normally, with a rank like this, you'd think I am a much better player than legend rank 1000 for example. That's just not the case in Hearthstone. It probably means I've played more, had better rng overall and maaaaybe I am slightly better in some details or understanding of the specific meta.
https://imgur.com/a/xRElMRJ
Why would pros that are actively making money from blizzard come out and disrespect the game like that? This will hurt their image to both blizzard and their fans. With that being said, there were still some, ballsy enough like Lifecoach, Reynad and Savjz to do so. They had a shitload of money though and probably didn't care.