Sure let me explain it to you, as you fail to see the bigger picture.
Nine lives + bear = draw 6 cards
Twin spell is 2 removals in 1 card.
Evil miscreant is always discover two answers to current board state and combo is easy as shit to pull off at 3 mana.
Druid again have their cancer twinspell and soul of the forest, leave a board and die.
What does warrior have again? Look at the data not personal opinion.
I agree 100%. Let's look at the data.
Right now, at the time I'm posting this, the most popular decklist for token druid has 370,000 games played, and is currently taking serious downturn in its winrate. Only 53% winrate right now. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/nMO4cjoONeRGT8LKKSWkA/
The most popular decklist for Bomb Warrior has 170,000 games played, and is currently increasing in it's winrate, which currently stands at 63%. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/DqNs6GelH7jt43XQBKav4g/
So what does warrior have again? Oh, just a 10% better winrate than druid. That's all. Clearly warrior is in terrible shape.
People were just complaining about warrior day 1 because everyone tries control first day of rotation and bomb warrior is a fairly strong counter to the day one control decks. Token druid and miracle rogue are the real tier s decks. I think druid will probably end up being most problematic but it could easily be rogue because of the combo will leroy and the new weapon. Those two cards let you do 20 damage from hand.
Hmm no, bomb warrior does not counter control decks, in any form, it's actually the other way around. But you are correct about token and miracle being S tier.
Em yes it does. It's the best control deck by a long long way. Nothing comes close to it.
Name 1 control deck that reliably counters bomb warrior that isn't total trash against everything else.
Even my control shudderwock shaman with Elysianna, lots of removal, 3 weapon removals, heals and value can't beat it.
You think that drawing 6 cards is equivalenmt to infinite card draw. So we can rule out maths and logic as being one of your stronger points. Ok.
Twin spell is 2 removals in 1 card.
I dont think you understand what Twinspell actually does... You were complaining about druid Twinspells. Which Druid Twinspell is 2 removals exactly?
Evil miscreant is always discover two answers to current board state and combo is easy as shit to pull off at 3 mana.
Exactly how is getting 2 Witchy Lackeys is an answer to the board state? What are you going to do with them on a board with just the EVIL Miscreant exactly?
Druid again have their cancer twinspell and soul of the forest, leave a board and die.
You know it's coming and have time to prepare for it. If you don't, that's simply bad play on your part. You might as well complain about any deck having a win strategy that beat you.
What does warrior have again? Look at the data not personal opinion.
Well until just recently, the highest win rate in the game. But.... you know... I'm sure you had a point in your head...
People were just complaining about warrior day 1 because everyone tries control first day of rotation and bomb warrior is a fairly strong counter to the day one control decks. Token druid and miracle rogue are the real tier s decks. I think druid will probably end up being most problematic but it could easily be rogue because of the combo will leroy and the new weapon. Those two cards let you do 20 damage from hand.
Hmm no, bomb warrior does not counter control decks, in any form, it's actually the other way around. But you are correct about token and miracle being S tier.
Em yes it does. It's the best control deck by a long long way. Nothing comes close to it.
Name 1 control deck that reliably counters bomb warrior that isn't total trash against everything else.
Even my control shudderwock shaman with Elysianna, lots of removal, 3 weapon removals, heals and value can't beat it.
It's just a broken deck.
You seem to not know the difference between control and bomb warrior. I know some people call the mix of control and bomb, control bomb, but it's not really a control deck at that point, it's more like a midrange, tempo. The number of cards you sacrifice for the bomb package severely weakens the control part.
Decks that reliably control the bomb?? Mech hunter, token druid, pure control warrior (i play this, and when i see bomb warrior i just know i'm going to win), control shaman.
PS: i'm really sorry if you can't beat a bomb warrior with a control shaman running Elysiana and 3 weapon removals (why 3 weapon removals?? and which is the 3rd, shudderwock? )
People were just complaining about warrior day 1 because everyone tries control first day of rotation and bomb warrior is a fairly strong counter to the day one control decks. Token druid and miracle rogue are the real tier s decks. I think druid will probably end up being most problematic but it could easily be rogue because of the combo will leroy and the new weapon. Those two cards let you do 20 damage from hand.
Hmm no, bomb warrior does not counter control decks, in any form, it's actually the other way around. But you are correct about token and miracle being S tier.
Why does everyone keep saying token druid is tier s? At rank 1-5 it shows a clear declining winrate, it's only going down. Tempo rogue is going up. Once people figure out the weaknesses, token druid is not that great.
You seem to have never met weenie aggro decks before. Lookup Zoolock, WeenieLock, Heal-Lock, Odd Paladin, Dude Paladin, Aggro
Weenie Lock? I'm just curious to know what deck you were talking about.
WeenieLock (which could be referred to as a hybrid of ZooLock) is one which employs mostly "Weenie" minions (1-2 mana only) with a couple of minor late game options such as Rafaam, etc. A similar version of Paladin existed using Prince Liam.
But in all seriousness, Bomb Warrior is the worst archetype they ever created from a design perspective. Having to worry about what's in your deck rather than what's on the board makes no sense when you can only interact with the board and not with your deck.
That's not even true though. You can directly effect what's in your deck and you can run a fair amount of counters against bomb warrior. There have been way worse archetypes.
Harrison, thanks, i almost forgot about him. Love hate relationship with him, due to his high cost and card draw, which in some match-ups is suicide (had a lock dropping Jaraxxus, no way in hell was i about to draw 7 with 8 cards in hand and Elysiana still in my deck, vs a Rafaam morphed deck)
People were just complaining about warrior day 1 because everyone tries control first day of rotation and bomb warrior is a fairly strong counter to the day one control decks. Token druid and miracle rogue are the real tier s decks. I think druid will probably end up being most problematic but it could easily be rogue because of the combo will leroy and the new weapon. Those two cards let you do 20 damage from hand.
Hmm no, bomb warrior does not counter control decks, in any form, it's actually the other way around. But you are correct about token and miracle being S tier.
Em yes it does. It's the best control deck by a long long way. Nothing comes close to it.
Name 1 control deck that reliably counters bomb warrior that isn't total trash against everything else.
Even my control shudderwock shaman with Elysianna, lots of removal, 3 weapon removals, heals and value can't beat it.
It's just a broken deck.
You seem to not know the difference between control and bomb warrior. I know some people call the mix of control and bomb, control bomb, but it's not really a control deck at that point, it's more like a midrange, tempo. The number of cards you sacrifice for the bomb package severely weakens the control part.
Decks that reliably control the bomb?? Mech hunter, token druid, pure control warrior (i play this, and when i see bomb warrior i just know i'm going to win), control shaman.
PS: i'm really sorry if you can't beat a bomb warrior with a control shaman running Elysiana and 3 weapon removals (why 3 weapon removals?? and which is the 3rd, shudderwock? )
This. I've yet to lose to a Bomb Warr with my CW list. It's just an autowin matchup.
In all honesty, I don't have a problem with bomb warrior at the moment. It is true that it can push an insane amount of pressure both into your deck and onto the board with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius and his rush synergy with mechs, however, more and more players are getting into the habit of playing tempo rogue and token druid both of which can quite rapidly outrace Warriors before Boom can be played. The only problems I see with warrior are some of the removal options that it has. Specifically Brawl and Supercollider both of which can both limit the amount of minions that you can play which is a serious turn-off for a lot of bigger control decks since the warrior punishes wide boards and big minions quite effectively. So there is a legitimate argument to be made that warrior is the strongest control deck currently in the game in general ( not bomb warrior but the variant that goes for a more board centric approach with rush minions or the pure control deck)
Won me a game yesterday. I played Dragon Rush Homebrew warrior and got him from Dragon Roar.
Healed me and the opposing pirate Rogue was unable to get me down on knees again :-)
I had a similar thing - got one of him from a random card draw (as Rogue) and he saved me against a cancer Bomb Warrior. Not only that, I also had Shadowstep which meant I got to use him a couple of times much to the Warrior player's anger! Hah!
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I agree 100%. Let's look at the data.
Right now, at the time I'm posting this, the most popular decklist for token druid has 370,000 games played, and is currently taking serious downturn in its winrate. Only 53% winrate right now. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/nMO4cjoONeRGT8LKKSWkA/
The most popular decklist for Bomb Warrior has 170,000 games played, and is currently increasing in it's winrate, which currently stands at 63%. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/DqNs6GelH7jt43XQBKav4g/
So what does warrior have again? Oh, just a 10% better winrate than druid. That's all. Clearly warrior is in terrible shape.
Edit: Can't resist adding Mech hunter to the data also. Most popular deck is only 42,000 games. Current winrate is 43%. Link here: https://hsreplay.net/decks/rmLcmG8Xtj8HiBaalKgsFe/
Em yes it does. It's the best control deck by a long long way. Nothing comes close to it.
Name 1 control deck that reliably counters bomb warrior that isn't total trash against everything else.
Even my control shudderwock shaman with Elysianna, lots of removal, 3 weapon removals, heals and value can't beat it.
It's just a broken deck.
You think that drawing 6 cards is equivalenmt to infinite card draw. So we can rule out maths and logic as being one of your stronger points. Ok.
I dont think you understand what Twinspell actually does... You were complaining about druid Twinspells. Which Druid Twinspell is 2 removals exactly?
Exactly how is getting 2 Witchy Lackeys is an answer to the board state? What are you going to do with them on a board with just the EVIL Miscreant exactly?
You know it's coming and have time to prepare for it. If you don't, that's simply bad play on your part. You might as well complain about any deck having a win strategy that beat you.
Well until just recently, the highest win rate in the game. But.... you know... I'm sure you had a point in your head...
You seem to not know the difference between control and bomb warrior. I know some people call the mix of control and bomb, control bomb, but it's not really a control deck at that point, it's more like a midrange, tempo. The number of cards you sacrifice for the bomb package severely weakens the control part.
Decks that reliably control the bomb?? Mech hunter, token druid, pure control warrior (i play this, and when i see bomb warrior i just know i'm going to win), control shaman.
PS: i'm really sorry if you can't beat a bomb warrior with a control shaman running Elysiana and 3 weapon removals (why 3 weapon removals?? and which is the 3rd, shudderwock? )
Weenie Lock? I'm just curious to know what deck you were talking about.
Why does everyone keep saying token druid is tier s? At rank 1-5 it shows a clear declining winrate, it's only going down. Tempo rogue is going up. Once people figure out the weaknesses, token druid is not that great.
WeenieLock (which could be referred to as a hybrid of ZooLock) is one which employs mostly "Weenie" minions (1-2 mana only) with a couple of minor late game options such as Rafaam, etc.
A similar version of Paladin existed using Prince Liam.
That's not even true though. You can directly effect what's in your deck and you can run a fair amount of counters against bomb warrior. There have been way worse archetypes.
I guess the user is running 2 oozes and Harrison Jones.
Harrison, thanks, i almost forgot about him. Love hate relationship with him, due to his high cost and card draw, which in some match-ups is suicide (had a lock dropping Jaraxxus, no way in hell was i about to draw 7 with 8 cards in hand and Elysiana still in my deck, vs a Rafaam morphed deck)
I actually had three (3) Nozari played in a CW mirror yesterday. What a glorious game that was.
This. I've yet to lose to a Bomb Warr with my CW list. It's just an autowin matchup.
Won me a game yesterday.
I played Dragon Rush Homebrew warrior and got him from Dragon Roar.
Healed me and the opposing pirate Rogue was unable to get me down on knees again :-)
--Alfi--
In all honesty, I don't have a problem with bomb warrior at the moment. It is true that it can push an insane amount of pressure both into your deck and onto the board with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius and his rush synergy with mechs, however, more and more players are getting into the habit of playing tempo rogue and token druid both of which can quite rapidly outrace Warriors before Boom can be played. The only problems I see with warrior are some of the removal options that it has. Specifically Brawl and Supercollider both of which can both limit the amount of minions that you can play which is a serious turn-off for a lot of bigger control decks since the warrior punishes wide boards and big minions quite effectively. So there is a legitimate argument to be made that warrior is the strongest control deck currently in the game in general ( not bomb warrior but the variant that goes for a more board centric approach with rush minions or the pure control deck)
I had a similar thing - got one of him from a random card draw (as Rogue) and he saved me against a cancer Bomb Warrior.
Not only that, I also had Shadowstep which meant I got to use him a couple of times much to the Warrior player's anger! Hah!