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Here is my Idea for Keyword:

The minion with this keyword will not take damage from Spell, Hero Power or Minion effect. It seems powerful but you still can counter the minion using removal card like Sap, Deadly Shot, Shadow Word: Pain, Assassinate, Execute, Rend Blackhand or Hex. You still can target this minion with damage spell to get the secondary effect, so you can still Freeze the minion that have Avatar using Frostbolt or target it with Firelands Portal to summon a minion.

Here are some example cards:

To fit the flavor of the keyword, most of the card is Warrior or neutral Warrior-ish card.

What do you guys think?

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Sacrifice: Summon from your hand if the stated condition is met.

A tricky keyword to balance because it could provide insane tempo if done wrong. I'm not sure if sacrifice is the best name for the effect and advice on names in general would be appreciated. Keen to hear peoples thoughts.

Looking at the cards I might change Undead Soulbinder to say 'Sacrifice: A friendly minion died to a spell this turn' for consistancy.

 

 

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Here is my Idea for Keyword:

The minion with this keyword will not take damage from Spell, Hero Power or Minion effect. It seems powerful but you still can counter the minion using removal card like Sap, Deadly Shot, Shadow Word: Pain, Assassinate, Execute, Rend Blackhand or Hex. You still can target this minion with damage spell to get the secondary effect, so you can still Freeze the minion that have Avatar using Frostbolt or target it with Firelands Portal to summon a minion.

Here are some example cards:

To fit the flavor of the keyword, most of the card is Warrior or neutral Warrior-ish card.

What do you guys think?

 

 

While definitely very flavourful, @GearOFF, I wonder if perhaps it's overvalued. A lot of damage is through combat already, and what removal there is tends to be of the hard variety like Hex and Execute (Execute less so these days). Muradin especially is incredibly poor. Just as a 6 Mana 4/5 Taunt, you're losing out tremendously compared to a Sunwalker; if the opponent has just a Pit Fighter or Stranglethorn Tiger in play and no ping, at least the Sunwalker is taking two hits. The opponent's 5-drop trades up into your 6-drop Muradin and doesn't even die. But if you're playing this as an 8-drop, a 4/5 Taunt that can only be hurt through combat and Battlecry: Gain 2 Armour, that still runs into the same problem of a 5-drop trading so risk-free into it. The Brute is very much the same problem; 3/6 stats is already poor for a 5 drop, 4/5 that can only be hurt through combat is not that much better, and that's the best case.

I will say, as a concept, and a flavor, Avatar does actually have great synergy with Warrior, with the myriad methods of dealing damage to their own minions (Ravaging Ghoul, Whirlwind, Baron Geddon if you counted him in Control Warrior). If it just left it so that the minions didn't take damage from that, the Warrior does fine. But if it still counts as a unit being "damaged," suddenly the Frothing Berserker or the Gurubashi Berserker go absolutely off the rails. Even Acolyte of Pain has the potential to get so much value off of that, which makes Berserker Power actually the best card showing off this keyword.

So, yeah, that's my critique in general; Avatar is to Warrior what Windfury is to Shaman, an interesting concept that is underserved by overcosted/understatted cards.

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Thank you such for you feedback, if anyone has more to add the new cards are below.

 The only problem I see with this is that it punishes the player for going second and drawing an extra card. You have a massive advantage when you go first with this kind of deck, and that's awkward.

2 Keywords I have in mind:

Unearth: Add a minion/weapon that has been destroyed or a spell that has been cast to your hand (I.E. Unearth a friendly Battlecry minion, or Unearth an enemy spell, or whatever.)

Support: When this minion has minions on both sides of it, gain (X). (I.E. Support: +3 attack, or Support: Taunt).

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Would like some feedback on my entry please.

Time to use an idea I've used in a custom class. This is the Ranged keyword. Look at Gladiator's Longbow. What would happen if we made that a keyword? I'm sure we've all thought to ourselves about how Rexxar uses Eaglehorn Bow like a club. This is where the Ranged keyword comes in.

The Ranged keyword is a keyword that applies to weapons, in which when it attacks, you don't take any retaliation damage. You simply just deal the damage and the durability acts as "ammo" in a sense. This opens up a number of different design spaces for weapons. There are some rules about Ranged weapons. It also is very simple and you know what it means exactly when you see it.

• Ranged weapons cannot bypass Taunt, just like regular weapons.
• Ranged weapons can still trigger Secrets like Misdirection, Noble Sacrifice and Ice Barrier.
• Ranged weapons can still be buffed by cards like Upgrade! or Deadly Poison. You however could make some cards that work specifically with Ranged weapons.

Without further ado, here are some example cards:

Trusty Bow: Your very simple Ranged weapon just to show how this works.

Shadow Huntress: A card that allows you to see how a Ranged weapon synergy card could work out like.

Captain Darksails: So this shows how a Neutral synergy card could be made. Ranged weapons don't have to be in Hunter, they could be in any weapon class. During the time this is on the field, you don't take any retaliation damage from attacking with your weapon and cards like my Shadow Huntress card will work with the weapon.

EDIT: Changed the formatting to fit the rules.

 

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Deception is a minion keyword. When you play a minion with Deception: X, the other player will see it as minion X. Once the minion attacks or takes damage (I changed it from just being targeted by a spell or hero power for simplicity), then the other player sees what the card really is. From your point of view, you will see the card's true text and stats, but you will see the fake name and art. The card will also glow purple to you, like Shifter Zerus, so that you can easily remember a Deception is occurring. If your opponent tries to play something like Shadow Word: Pain that only works on cards with certain stats and such, it will act like it has the fake stats while the Deception is occurring. Naturally, X has to be a minion with the same cost, otherwise the Deception will be exceedingly obvious when you play it. 

Here are my best examples:

False Prophet is my favorite. I just love the idea of playing mind games with your opponent. You could fake them out into doing nothing on turn 2-3 because they think all their minions will die. I think Faceless Assassin is a pretty good idea too. I'm not sure what I should do for the third card, though. Here are some ideas I had:

Infiltrator could be a Deception of Undercity Huckster instead. Not sure which would be better. So, which ones do you like better? Also, please let me know if you think there are any balance issues. I was thinking of making False Prophet a 2/2, or would it even be balanced at 3/2?

 

 

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Here is my Idea for Keyword:

The minion with this keyword will not take damage from Spell, Hero Power or Minion effect. It seems powerful but you still can counter the minion using removal card like Sap, Deadly Shot, Shadow Word: Pain, Assassinate, Execute, Rend Blackhand or Hex. You still can target this minion with damage spell to get the secondary effect, so you can still Freeze the minion that have Avatar using Frostbolt or target it with Firelands Portal to summon a minion.

Here are some example cards:

To fit the flavor of the keyword, most of the card is Warrior or neutral Warrior-ish card.

What do you guys think?

 

 

While definitely very flavourful, @GearOFF, I wonder if perhaps it's overvalued. A lot of damage is through combat already, and what removal there is tends to be of the hard variety like Hex and Execute (Execute less so these days). Muradin especially is incredibly poor. Just as a 6 Mana 4/5 Taunt, you're losing out tremendously compared to a Sunwalker; if the opponent has just a Pit Fighter or Stranglethorn Tiger in play and no ping, at least the Sunwalker is taking two hits. The opponent's 5-drop trades up into your 6-drop Muradin and doesn't even die. But if you're playing this as an 8-drop, a 4/5 Taunt that can only be hurt through combat and Battlecry: Gain 2 Armour, that still runs into the same problem of a 5-drop trading so risk-free into it. The Brute is very much the same problem; 3/6 stats is already poor for a 5 drop, 4/5 that can only be hurt through combat is not that much better, and that's the best case.

I will say, as a concept, and a flavor, Avatar does actually have great synergy with Warrior, with the myriad methods of dealing damage to their own minions (Ravaging Ghoul, Whirlwind, Baron Geddon if you counted him in Control Warrior). If it just left it so that the minions didn't take damage from that, the Warrior does fine. But if it still counts as a unit being "damaged," suddenly the Frothing Berserker or the Gurubashi Berserker go absolutely off the rails. Even Acolyte of Pain has the potential to get so much value off of that, which makes Berserker Power actually the best card showing off this keyword.

So, yeah, that's my critique in general; Avatar is to Warrior what Windfury is to Shaman, an interesting concept that is underserved by overcosted/understatted cards.

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Quote from nurgling13 >>

Deception is a minion keyword. When you play a minion with Deception: X, the other player will see it as minion X. Once the minion attacks or takes damage (I changed it from just being targeted by a spell or hero power for simplicity), then the other player sees what the card really is. From your point of view, you will see the card's true text and stats, but you will see the fake name and art. The card will also glow purple to you, like Shifter Zerus, so that you can easily remember a Deception is occurring. If your opponent tries to play something like Shadow Word: Pain that only works on cards with certain stats and such, it will act like it has the fake stats while the Deception is occurring. Naturally, X has to be a minion with the same cost, otherwise the Deception will be exceedingly obvious when you play it. 

Here are my best examples:

False Prophet is my favorite. I just love the idea of playing mind games with your opponent. You could fake them out into doing nothing on turn 2-3 because they think all their minions will die. I think Faceless Assassin is a pretty good idea too. I'm not sure what I should do for the third card, though. Here are some ideas I had:

Infiltrator could be a Deception of Undercity Huckster instead. Not sure which would be better. So, which ones do you like better? Also, please let me know if you think there are any balance issues. I was thinking of making False Prophet a 2/2, or would it even be balanced at 3/2?

 

 

 This is a great idea, the flavour of False prophet is stunning (seriously), there is one thing I don't get. Can you please explain to me what happens when it is attacked or 'destoryed' by a spell. Can you answer the example below for me.

I play false Prophet [end turn], Opponent attack it with a silver hand recruit, does it die? or does it transform into doomsayer before the damage is dealt?

What happens if it was 'destoryed' with maelstrom portal? Does it come out as a 0/6 (taken 1 damage from portal) Doomsayer?

Another thought? Is your opponent able to see the text on the card while played? Is there a way for your opponent play around false prophet, so it doesn't become a Doomsayer? If not, isn't it a bit simular to deathrattle?

As interesting and flavourful as this idea is, I don't really see how it works.. Maybe this is something you need to look at conveying in a clearer way.

 The card doesn't have the stats of the thing it is disguised as. It has the stats that are printed on the card. And as soon as it takes damage, it is revealed to your opponent. It doesn't transform, so it doesn't gain any health or anything. If I keep False Prophet as a 3/1, as soon as it takes one damage, it will be revealed to your opponent as a 3/1 with 1 damage taken and will then die. If I made it a 2/2 instead, and it took 1 damage, it would be immediately revealed to your opponent as a 2/1. 

I think you're a bit confused about Deception. The card never becomes the X in Deception: X. When you play False Prophet, your opponent sees a Doomsayer. If they mouse over it, they will see the text of Doomsayer, not the text of False Prophet. Once False prophet attacks or takes damage, your opponent will then see it as a False Prophet. Does that make sense?

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Hmm @nurgling13, I'm looking at your keyword now and I see that mine is super similar to it, that's disheartening for me cause iv'e been safeguarding it for about half a year just in case we had a design competition like it  :( , but if more than one person can come up with the same idea then its a great one.

 There's a similar idea behind them, but they are still pretty different. I think the strength of my entry is False Prophet, which is something you couldn't do at all with Submerge. With your cards, your opponent knows you've played one of the Submerge cards. With mine, the card looks exactly like the card it's disguised as. With False Prophet, your opponent knows it's either a Doomsayer or a False Prophet. You designed yours to give your opponent no information, basically, and I designed mine to trick your opponent with stuff like the Arcane Apparition trap. Our cards will end up being very different.

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Quote from Demonxz95 >>

Would like some feedback on my entry please.

Time to use an idea I've used in a custom class. This is the Ranged keyword. Look at Gladiator's Longbow. What would happen if we made that a keyword? I'm sure we've all thought to ourselves about how Rexxar uses Eaglehorn Bow like a club. This is where the Ranged keyword comes in.

The Ranged keyword is a keyword that applies to weapons, in which when it attacks, you don't take any retaliation damage. You simply just deal the damage and the durability acts as "ammo" in a sense. This opens up a number of different design spaces for weapons. There are some rules about Ranged weapons. It also is very simple and you know what it means exactly when you see it.

• Ranged weapons cannot bypass Taunt, just like regular weapons.
• Ranged weapons can still trigger Secrets like Misdirection, Noble Sacrifice and Ice Barrier.
• Ranged weapons can still be buffed by cards like Upgrade! or Deadly Poison. You however could make some cards that work specifically with Ranged weapons.

Without further ado, here are some example cards:

Trusty Bow: Your very simple Ranged weapon just to show how this works.

Shadow Huntress: A card that allows you to see how a Ranged weapon synergy card could work out like.

Captain Darksails: So this shows how a Neutral synergy card could be made. Ranged weapons don't have to be in Hunter, they could be in any weapon class. During the time this is on the field, you don't take any retaliation damage from attacking with your weapon and cards like my Shadow Huntress card will work with the weapon.

EDIT: Changed the formatting to fit the rules.

 

 I'll weigh in with a bit of feedback. To start with I think the cards are Very well designed, they are fairly balanced (Shadow Huntress maybe be a little more powerful than it should but I would exactly call it OP) and the flavour is great.

Unfortunately I feel its a little awkward to have a keyword for (basically) 1 Class but also have a neutral minion, like combo in rouge, this should be Hunter only (do pirates fit into hunter?). As you say this keyword already exists in Gladiator's Longbow, that makes it kind of awkward to slot into the game. It also falls into the category of what is mentioned in the OP, quoting Elusive [can't be targeted by spells or hero powers] and Joust [reveal a minion in your ....] as ones that shouldn't be used. No offence to you but originality is on the low with this too, I have seen many Fan creators use this keyword and I'm sure Noxious (or someone of that ilk) has even talked about it on a video.

I love the design but maybe you may need to take another direction as you may not meet the requirements.

 

Thank you for the feedback. I think this effect would qualify because this effect hasn't been given a reworded term (like Elusive or Joust) as you mentioned. I thought the mechanic was cool, and the keyword was not meant to be Hunter exclusive (I actually made it for a custom class), I just made two Hunter cards because they have the bows, so they seemed fitting.

To be honest, I wouldn't be too surprised if someone else has also came up with this idea before. You're probably right in that I should think of a new mechanic, but if I can't, I at least have something I can submit.

As for your mechanic, Bolster, I think having effects based off of your deck, and deck size is really cool and there are tons of interesting cards you could make with that base idea, though I would take into account what Mewdrops said about how going first or second matters a lot with these cards and admittedly, it is rather tough to evaluate.